[RACER]

i have to agree with the other poster in that gp just stirs the pot.he waits for akron to lose on game, and then comes in
attacking k.d.when the zips start winning then you disapper.you never have anything good to say about k.d. or the team.
unfortunately more people than just me have seen this pattern.zips win -you run and hide.they lose one game and the k.d. is a bad coach ect.ect.ect. if akron starts winning a few games you will hide for ahwile.if they lose to n.c. state you will say kd needs to go.for some reason you do not like k.d. i am not sure what the reason is, but it seems to be personell.

[UAZip0510]

i have to agree with the other poster in that gp just stirs the pot.he waits for akron to lose on game, and then comes in
attacking k.d.when the zips start winning then you disapper.you never have anything good to say about k.d. or the team.
unfortunately more people than just me have seen this pattern.zips win -you run and hide.they lose one game and the k.d. is a bad coach ect.ect.ect. if akron starts winning a few games you will hide for ahwile.if they lose to n.c. state you will say kd needs to go.for some reason you do not like k.d. i am not sure what the reason is, but it seems to be personell.

He is entitled to his opinion, is he not? I like GP, and think he brings a lot to the forum, even if I don't agree with him 100% of the time.

[zipsbandman]

I go on the football board and the sky is falling. I come here and the sky is falling. Chill fans or better yet drink some of that zips kool-aid that most of you get high on when things go our way. We lost a meaningless game. If you ask me, we absolutely needed to lose that game. They're human. I know I'd still be hung over from dancing the year before. We get very excited about that stuff playing in the MAC. In college, we know a thing or two about hangovers. But now they know and more importantly their coaches (who will pound it in their heads) know they can be beat and if they put the effort they put in yesterday they will be plastered. This team will be ready to play in March. These nonconference games....they're fun but don't take them so seriously.

[GP1]

i have to agree with the other poster in that gp just stirs the pot.he waits for akron to lose on game, and then comes in
attacking k.d.when the zips start winning then you disapper.you never have anything good to say about k.d. or the team.
unfortunately more people than just me have seen this pattern.zips win -you run and hide.they lose one game and the k.d. is a bad coach ect.ect.ect. if akron starts winning a few games you will hide for ahwile.if they lose to n.c. state you will say kd needs to go.for some reason you do not like k.d. i am not sure what the reason is, but it seems to be personell.

I would encourage you to go read many of my posts this year on how proud I was of the team and the great future they have in front of them with Zeke and many of the other good players they have on the team.

[GP1]

He is entitled to his opinion, is he not? I like GP, and think he brings a lot to the forum, even if I don't agree with him 100% of the time.

Thanks UAZip0510. To the point, the answer is "no". The point of Zip Watcher's post was to not just blast me, but send a point out to anyone who might disagree with him and his line of thinking.

[you am i]

He is entitled to his opinion, is he not? I like GP, and think he brings a lot to the forum, even if I don't agree with him 100% of the time.

Thanks UAZip0510. To the point, the answer is "no". The point of Zip Watcher's post was to not just blast me, but send a point out to anyone who might disagree with him and his line of thinking.

I did not read his post that way at all.

[The Hip Zip]

Screw the other crap, start and give the bulk of the guard minutes to Steve and Humpty and we weill be fine. I am also inclined to give Conyers a few more minutes at the 3/4 to see if he can lock down some scorers.

[GP1]

He is entitled to his opinion, is he not? I like GP, and think he brings a lot to the forum, even if I don't agree with him 100% of the time.

Thanks UAZip0510. To the point, the answer is "no". The point of Zip Watcher's post was to not just blast me, but send a point out to anyone who might disagree with him and his line of thinking.

I did not read his post that way at all.

how did you read it? what would cause such a severe response to a pretty harmless post? keep in mind, zw is a moderator.

[SeeTeeZip]

If you look closely, you'll see that at any given time, the Zips Nation consists of about 15-30 active posters, more or less. It's my opinion that all of those posters keep this place vital and interesting. GP1, I find you annoying as hell sometimes, and to learn that you are at least a couple years younger than me, when you post as if you are the most learned and saltiest dog ever, well, you're full of crap and I'll never let you forget it. BUT, I sometimes love what you post and always find your observations interesting and worth reading and chewing on. Likewise, Zip Watcher is the board Mommy, nannying all of us about bad words and name calling, but makes great points and I give him and the other mods credit for taking the time and energy that it takes to police these boards. Hey, when the man pulls you over, you hate the man, but he's just doing his job, so you cut him a break and recalibrate.

So where am I on this little blow out? First, KD, get your head out of your rectum and get this team to win. NOW. We love you but that loss sucked badly. Shame on you, your staff and this team. Get it right. No coach-speak, just win bro. Second, I find that my normal days include checking in on ZN, even when traveling. We argue, we bicker, but we've chosen a hard lot, and that is fanship in the one of the lowest life forms forms of collegiate sport. In the end, we can all be douches (not a bad word since you can buy them on grocery shelves--no warnings please), but we really only have each other in this fanhood of pain. So, GP1 it's all good. Zip Watcher, it's all good.

Go Zips.

[MDZip]

Good god - See Tee as the voice of reason - up is down, left is right, I may have to go root for Can't State.

[Dave in Green]

Maybe we can change the title of this thread to Four Positives Coming Out of Today, and all come to a positive agreement that no one posting in these forums is all good or all bad. We're all human with different balances of positives and negatives. We all see things a little differently. Someone whose posts sometimes (not necessarily always) appear to one forum member to be textbook examples of trolling may strike others differently.

That's why foruns need firm, fair, objective moderators. They need to stay out of the occasional firefights that break out here and focus on behind-the-scenes fixing of what causes firefights. By definition, the act of trolling is a deliberate manipulation of people's emotions with the intention of starting a fight. A troll doesn't always make trolling posts. A good troll will play regular guy for awhile, and "innocently" drop the occasional troll bomb to get the forum buzzing. It's only over time that the pattern becomes clear, and every one of us leaves a trail of posts on forums that can be tracked back and analyzed by anyone.

A good moderator should be able to spot the pattern developing and issue private warnings. Often a single private warning will resolve the problem, because the person really wasn't a serial troll, but just someone who was inadvertently using tactics that trolls use. I think we are all at least occasionally guilty of being somewhat trollish. But it's up to the moderators to pick out the serial troublemakers, privately give them fair warning of what they are doing wrong, and ask them to please correct that behavior or leave the forum.

The last thing we want to do is get into personal warfare over trolling on ZN where we all pick sides and come out shooting at each other. That's precisely the goal of trolling, and we don't want to contribute to that.

No, it's up to the moderators to resolve trolling issues behind the scenes, quietly and privately, only with those individuals who the moderators believe fit the pattern of frequent trollish behavior.

[Zip Watcher]

Some brief clarifications:

#1. And I think this one is very important: I don't consider GP1 a troll. Never have .. never will. There have been a few dispatched from ZN.O lately .. but in my view, GP1 is NOT a troll. He's a Zips fan. One of the loyal ones.

#2. My intent in the original post, was to ask GP1 a question. Which way does he want it? It remains unanswered. It was not to be a slam, and frankly, I'm surprised he took it that way.

GP1 is fond of needling the folks he calls "builders" and refers often to the "building conspiracy." This is generally in reference to those of us here who recognize the progress that the hoops team has made over the last 5 season. Some of us see that KD has a vision for Zips hoops .. he thinks we're conspiracy theorists. His post citing Bill from WF radio illustrated (in my view) some contradiction on GP1's part: Teams that lose early will lose late? .. last season the Zips lost early and won late .. I think the point is BS, and I pointed that out.

Don't read too much into this .. I think several people are. I just posted an observation on his behavior .. and what I see as him contradicting himself .. much in the same manner he is free to point out to others, and periodically does so. He didn't like my analogy and observations .. so be it. We move on.

Go Zips!

[Dr Z]

He didn't like my analogy and observations .. so be it. We move on.

Somebody that's willing to take the high road and has a thick skin on a sports forum?

[GP1]

you're full of crap and I'll never let you forget it. BUT, I sometimes love what you post and always find your observations interesting and worth reading and chewing on.

Didn't your parents ever tell you to watch what you put in your mouth?

[GP1]

Some brief clarifications:

#1. And I think this one is very important: I don't consider GP1 a troll. Never have .. never will. There have been a few dispatched from ZN.O lately .. but in my view, GP1 is NOT a troll. He's a Zips fan. One of the loyal ones.

#2. My intent in the original post, was to ask GP1 a question. Which way does he want it? It remains unanswered. It was not to be a slam, and frankly, I'm surprised he took it that way.

GP1 is fond of needling the folks he calls "builders" and refers often to the "building conspiracy." This is generally in reference to those of us here who recognize the progress that the hoops team has made over the last 5 season. Some of us see that KD has a vision for Zips hoops .. he thinks we're conspiracy theorists. His post citing Bill from WF radio illustrated (in my view) some contradiction on GP1's part: Teams that lose early will lose late? .. last season the Zips lost early and won late .. I think the point is BS, and I pointed that out.

Don't read too much into this .. I think several people are. I just posted an observation on his behavior .. and what I see as him contradicting himself .. much in the same manner he is free to point out to others, and periodically does so. He didn't like my analogy and observations .. so be it. We move on.

Go Zips!

Apology accepted.