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Lots of loose ends here.

Did Tressel out of the blue approach UA to recommend Fickell as head coach? If so, why on earth would a successful head coach voluntarily try to push out a good assistant and hurt his own team?

Or did Fickell ask Tressel to recommend him to UA as head coach? If so, it's understandable why a head coach would honor an assistant's wishes. But then why would a successful assistant on a successful team want to try to go to a down and out program at a school with no history of winning when his credentials might be strong enough to earn himself a head coaching gig at a winning program with more resources?
Or did none of this really happen? Did someone at UA merely mention Fickell as a potential candidate, and as it got passed on from person to person, embellishments were added and it morphed into a story that Tressel and Fickell did everything in their power to push Fickell as head coach, and UA wouldn't even pick up the phone?

Is there any way to separate fact from fantasy on this? I mean, someone almost talked me into believing they had seen Rodgers on the sideline during the first half of last week's game when I was certain he wasn't there, and the reality was that Rodgers was not there. So I'm more skeptical these days when someone's unsubstantiated opinion is passionately presented as gospel on ZN.O.

That's the question I always ask myself!! And what happened to all of the people who wanted nothing short of an experienced Head Coach? And now some of you want this young guy with no HC experience at all? And his title would indicate that he's a position coach, and some sort of assistant coordinator? Or shares the job? Heck, Rob was an Interim Head Coach, if titles mean anything. And has a lot more experience, if that means anything.

I originally got involved in this thread because the original poster seemed to be indicating that somehow Luke was light years ahead of ICoach in his qualifications for this job. I don't see it at all. Are other schools after his services?

I see some of the things that Big Zip points out. And it's certainly much easier in hindsight to point out the things we don't like about Rob. But, I am not seeing this no-brainer of a candidate in Luke that some people seem to see.

[ZachTheZip]

Luke comes from a top-10 program. Ianello comes from a program that wouldn't win the MAC. Their resumes are similar, but Luke has a previous conection to Akron and at least sees his team win as a position coach and co-coordinator (does that means he calls plays?), while Ianello's only conection to Akron was through the AD and his recent teams were terrible as the assistant head coach (but never called a play).

Ianello was so non-aggressive and had such a lack of leadership that he allowed his team (yes, it was his team as he was the interim head coach at the time) to opt out of a bowl game and the additional 15 practices that come with that, despite them clearly needing the extra time for underclassmen to improve for the next year and for seniors to prepare for the NFL draft. Instead, they quit, like how Ianello quits when he tells the offense to go for fieldgoals when down by 21. It should have been a red flag that he wasn't able to control a team or inspire confidence in the players.

[ZipRoo]

You'll never get the UA administration to admit to anything regarding Luke, but if you find the right people "in the know," they can tell you that there is truth to this story. All of it.

As to why Fickell would want to leave OSU...well, every assistant at some point endeavors to move up the ladder. He has coached for nearly a decade under Tressel (another UA alum), and Luke is already familiar with UA. Everyone starts somewhere, and with the campus upgrades and Ohio ties, why wouldn't someone like him be interested in Akron? I'm sure the pay is a big step up from assistant, and it's good training for future positions elsewhere, if desired.

I'm surprised we have to dumb it down for so many commenters here. Aren't some points rather obvious?

((Oh, and Skip-Zip...if Ianello was in such demand, please name me one other D-1 school that ever offered him a HC job....or any that WILL offer him after we're finally rid of him.))

((Zach The Zip: Brilliant post. Spot on.))

[you am i]

You'll never get the UA administration to admit to anything regarding Luke, but if you find the right people "in the know," they can tell you that there is truth to this story. All of it.

As to why Fickell would want to leave OSU...well, every assistant at some point endeavors to move up the ladder. He has coached for nearly a decade under Tressel (another UA alum), and Luke is already familiar with UA. Everyone starts somewhere, and with the campus upgrades and Ohio ties, why wouldn't someone like him be interested in Akron? I'm sure the pay is a big step up from assistant, and it's good training for future positions elsewhere, if desired.

I'm surprised we have to dumb it down for so many commenters here. Aren't some points rather obvious?

((Oh, and Skip-Zip...if Ianello was in such demand, please name me one other D-1 school that ever offered him a HC job....or any that WILL offer him after we're finally rid of him.))

((Zach The Zip: Brilliant post. Spot on.))

I agree with what you say except for the issue of salary. I'm pretty sure that top assistants at programs like OSU are likely to earn more, and sometimes significantly more, than a MAC head coach. But, as you say, you've got start somewhere if your ambition is to be a head coach. And there are only so many openings each year. Fickell at Akron would have made sense. I know hindsight is 202/20 but he's the guy I was hoping would get the job.

[ZachTheZip]

You'll never get the UA administration to admit to anything regarding Luke, but if you find the right people "in the know," they can tell you that there is truth to this story. All of it.

As to why Fickell would want to leave OSU...well, every assistant at some point endeavors to move up the ladder. He has coached for nearly a decade under Tressel (another UA alum), and Luke is already familiar with UA. Everyone starts somewhere, and with the campus upgrades and Ohio ties, why wouldn't someone like him be interested in Akron? I'm sure the pay is a big step up from assistant, and it's good training for future positions elsewhere, if desired.

I'm surprised we have to dumb it down for so many commenters here. Aren't some points rather obvious?

((Oh, and Skip-Zip...if Ianello was in such demand, please name me one other D-1 school that ever offered him a HC job....or any that WILL offer him after we're finally rid of him.))

((Zach The Zip: Brilliant post. Spot on.))

I agree with what you say except for the issue of salary. I'm pretty sure that top assistants at programs like OSU are likely to earn more, and sometimes significantly more, than a MAC head coach. But, as you say, you've got start somewhere if your ambition is to be a head coach. And there are only so many openings each year. Fickell at Akron would have made sense. I know hindsight is 202/20 but he's the guy I was hoping would get the job.

Fickell makes $250k as a "co-coordinator". Ianello makes $350k as a head coach.

You do have to wonder how much excitement we could have seen by announcing his name as coach. As opposed to the incredibly neutral reaction surrounding Ianello's hire. Who was honestly excited about that? I don't think anyone outside of Wistrcill showed any excitement.

[ZipRoo]

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Fickell makes $250k as a "co-coordinator". Ianello makes $350k as a head coach.

You do have to wonder how much excitement we could have seen by announcing his name as coach. As opposed to the incredibly neutral reaction surrounding Ianello's hire. Who was honestly excited about that? I don't think anyone outside of Wistrcill showed any excitement.
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EXACTLY. A struggling program like Akron *H-A-D T-O H-A-V-E* a headline-making hire as head coach after three failed attempts (Faust, Owens, Brookhart). It had to be as much about PR as coaching...and UA failed miserably. I could not BELIEVE the hire, and I'm sure Akron fans uttered a collective, "Ho-hum, you've got to be kidding. That's the best ya got?"

Proenza failed miserably when he brought YouTube Tom to town, and we're seeing the by-product in his disciple.

[you am i]

You'll never get the UA administration to admit to anything regarding Luke, but if you find the right people "in the know," they can tell you that there is truth to this story. All of it.

As to why Fickell would want to leave OSU...well, every assistant at some point endeavors to move up the ladder. He has coached for nearly a decade under Tressel (another UA alum), and Luke is already familiar with UA. Everyone starts somewhere, and with the campus upgrades and Ohio ties, why wouldn't someone like him be interested in Akron? I'm sure the pay is a big step up from assistant, and it's good training for future positions elsewhere, if desired.

I'm surprised we have to dumb it down for so many commenters here. Aren't some points rather obvious?

((Oh, and Skip-Zip...if Ianello was in such demand, please name me one other D-1 school that ever offered him a HC job....or any that WILL offer him after we're finally rid of him.))

((Zach The Zip: Brilliant post. Spot on.))

I agree with what you say except for the issue of salary. I'm pretty sure that top assistants at programs like OSU are likely to earn more, and sometimes significantly more, than a MAC head coach. But, as you say, you've got start somewhere if your ambition is to be a head coach. And there are only so many openings each year. Fickell at Akron would have made sense. I know hindsight is 202/20 but he's the guy I was hoping would get the job.

Fickell makes $250k as a "co-coordinator". Ianello makes $350k as a head coach.

You do have to wonder how much excitement we could have seen by announcing his name as coach. As opposed to the incredibly neutral reaction surrounding Ianello's hire. Who was honestly excited about that? I don't think anyone outside of Wistrcill showed any excitement.

I was kind of surprised to see that he's "only" making $250 thousand. I found a Columbus Dispatch article from this past summer that said, "In recent years he (Fickell) has been interviewed for an assistant's job at Notre Dame and been a candidate for the head coach job at Akron." So, according to this story, he was a candidate for the Akron job, although its not clear how serious a candidate he was. I assume if he was a candidate he was interviewed. His name was sure mentioned a lot.

I also looked back at some old ABJ articles when Ianello was hired. The comments from back then are interesting. They are mostly negative with a few "give the guy a chance."

[Dave in Green]

You'll never get the UA administration to admit to anything regarding Luke, but if you find the right people "in the know," they can tell you that there is truth to this story. All of it.

As to why Fickell would want to leave OSU...well, every assistant at some point endeavors to move up the ladder. He has coached for nearly a decade under Tressel (another UA alum), and Luke is already familiar with UA. Everyone starts somewhere, and with the campus upgrades and Ohio ties, why wouldn't someone like him be interested in Akron? I'm sure the pay is a big step up from assistant, and it's good training for future positions elsewhere, if desired.

I'm surprised we have to dumb it down for so many commenters here. Aren't some points rather obvious?

((Oh, and Skip-Zip...if Ianello was in such demand, please name me one other D-1 school that ever offered him a HC job....or any that WILL offer him after we're finally rid of him.))

((Zach The Zip: Brilliant post. Spot on.))

You remind me of someone who used to post similar language on ZN.O, but completely disappeared from the forum many months ago.

[ZipRoo]

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I was kind of surprised to see that he's "only" making $250 thousand. I found a Columbus Dispatch article from this past summer that said, "In recent years he (Fickell) has been interviewed for an assistant's job at Notre Dame and been a candidate for the head coach job at Akron." So, according to this story, he was a candidate for the Akron job, although its not clear how serious a candidate he was. I assume if he was a candidate he was interviewed. His name was sure mentioned a lot.

[b]I also looked back at some old ABJ articles when Ianello was hired. The comments from back then are interesting. They are mostly negative with a few "give the guy a chance."[/b]
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There's the point, in a nutshell. NO ONE wanted Ianello as coach...from the very get-go. His hiring was an utter disappointment for the entire Zip fanbase. The best anyone could muster was "give the guy a chance." No excitement, no bump in ticket sales, no positive reaction in any way. Imagine how badly UA had to screw up this hiring to provoke such an apathetic response. And you think the situation has gotten any better as we see/hear how he treats coworkers, players and fans? Bad to worse is the best way you can describe it.

Good coaches "coach up" their players and get the most from them. Has anyone seen even a shred of evidence this guy is able to do either? (And please, don't give me that nonsense about needing "his own recruits." We see what those recruits are doing for Notre Dame, don't we? Yeesh.


(And Dave in Green, I only recently felt compelled to join ZipsNation--after Rasor's ridiculous call to retain Ianello, following a laundry-list of negatives about him. So I don't know who you're comparing me to. Sorry.)

[GP1]

This is as close as I could get to an article stating LF had any real interest in the job at UofA. It only says he was a candidate. This could mean anything. The interesting thing is it is in an article about tOSU coaches getting raises. Was he interested in UofA, or was he interested in getting a pay increase?

$100K difference between assistant coach at tOSU and head coach at UofA. What would you do? UofA has yet to produce a coach that goes up the ladder after UofA, earning it the Great GP1 name of "The Graveyard of Coaches". I would have done exactly what he did.

[ZipRoo]

UofA has yet to produce a coach that goes up the ladder after UofA, earning it the Great GP1 name of "The Graveyard of Coaches". I would have done exactly what he did.

Pretty flawed argument, GP1, when you consider who the Zips hired as their last three coaches. Faust was retirement age and had already been at ND. Owens...well, whoever thought it was a good idea to hire a HS coach got what they deserved. Brookhart?....good heavens, his credentials were about as poor as Ianello's. And Ianello?....no one will come headhunting for him either.

That speaks more to the flawed UA selection process. The right man could come in to this market and awaken a sleeping giant. You really think RI is that man?

Fickell would've connected with people from Day 1.

[GP1]

UofA has yet to produce a coach that goes up the ladder after UofA, earning it the Great GP1 name of "The Graveyard of Coaches". I would have done exactly what he did.

Pretty flawed argument, GP1, when you consider who the Zips hired as their last three coaches. Faust was retirement age and had already been at ND. Owens...well, whoever thought it was a good idea to hire a HS coach got what they deserved. Brookhart?....good heavens, his credentials were about as poor as Ianello's. And Ianello?....no one will come headhunting for him either.

That speaks more to the flawed UA selection process. The right man could come in to this market and awaken a sleeping giant. You really think RI is that man?

Fickell would've connected with people from Day 1.

Do I think RI is the man? Hell no! IF this team goes 0-12, he should be fired, along with the AD who hired him, at the end of the year.

Other than being from Ohio (I'm not sure why that matters), what would make him a great coach? He was a defensive coach at UofA during the Owens years....Remember how the defenses played during those years?

Did anyone ever think we get the quality of coaches we get because it is all we can get? Why is UofA an attractive position? Why would a guy like LF come to UofA?

[skip-zip]

You'll never get the UA administration to admit to anything regarding Luke, but if you find the right people "in the know," they can tell you that there is truth to this story. All of it.

As to why Fickell would want to leave OSU...well, every assistant at some point endeavors to move up the ladder. He has coached for nearly a decade under Tressel (another UA alum), and Luke is already familiar with UA. Everyone starts somewhere, and with the campus upgrades and Ohio ties, why wouldn't someone like him be interested in Akron? I'm sure the pay is a big step up from assistant, and it's good training for future positions elsewhere, if desired.

I'm surprised we have to dumb it down for so many commenters here. Aren't some points rather obvious?

((Oh, and Skip-Zip...if Ianello was in such demand, please name me one other D-1 school that ever offered him a HC job....or any that WILL offer him after we're finally rid of him.))

((Zach The Zip: Brilliant post. Spot on.))

You remind me of someone who used to post similar language on ZN.O, but completely disappeared from the forum many months ago.

I don't know Dave. I just wondering when the poster can dumb himself down after he realizes he went to such great effort with bold type and underlines to hammer my post when I was commenting about Luke's demand as a HC, and not Rob's.

[skip-zip]

Luke comes from a top-10 program. Ianello comes from a program that wouldn't win the MAC. Their resumes are similar, but Luke has a previous conection to Akron and at least sees his team win as a position coach and co-coordinator (does that means he calls plays?), while Ianello's only conection to Akron was through the AD and his recent teams were terrible as the assistant head coach (but never called a play).

Ianello was so non-aggressive and had such a lack of leadership that he allowed his team (yes, it was his team as he was the interim head coach at the time) to opt out of a bowl game and the additional 15 practices that come with that, despite them clearly needing the extra time for underclassmen to improve for the next year and for seniors to prepare for the NFL draft. Instead, they quit, like how Ianello quits when he tells the offense to go for fieldgoals when down by 21. It should have been a red flag that he wasn't able to control a team or inspire confidence in the players.

Zach. We agree on a lot of things, and I do see some of your points. But, I can't quite see how someone would view their resumes as "similar" when I believe one of them has about 25 years of coaching experience, and the other has about 10 years.

And I am no defender of Rob's by any means. Frankly, I wish just about anyone was here now instead of him.

[ZipRoo]

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Zach. We agree on a lot of things, and I do see some of your points. But, I can't quite see how someone would view their resumes as "similar" when I believe one of them has about 25 years of coaching experience, and the other has about 10 years.

And I am no defender of Rob's by any means. Frankly, I wish just about anyone was here now instead of him.
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Then why do you seem to be going out of your way to trash anyone suggesting that Fickell (he would qualify as "just about anyone," doesn't he?) would've been a better choice than Ianello?

I ask once again, please name me JUST ONE...JUST ONE...thing you like about Ianello as coach.

I anxiously await anyone's intelligent answer. You don't even have to dumb it down. Just list one of his valuable assets/strengths. Just one.