[zen]

[quote name='Hilltopper' post='55555' date='Feb 5 2008,
Apples and Oranges to you... it's still fruit no matter how you slice it. The fruit being the fact that someone else's subjective judgement decides whether you get to keep what you own.

I guess this is where you and I disagree. As a buisness owner I would look at it as an opportunity to move up in life.

That's just it. It isn't about what you would do. What you or I would do in that situation doesn't matter. We have no choice. Pack your bags. You're gone.

[g-mann17]

[quote name='Hilltopper' post='55555' date='Feb 5 2008,
Apples and Oranges to you... it's still fruit no matter how you slice it. The fruit being the fact that someone else's subjective judgement decides whether you get to keep what you own.

I guess this is where you and I disagree. As a buisness owner I would look at it as an opportunity to move up in life.

That's just it. It isn't about what you would do. What you or I would do in that situation doesn't matter. We have no choice. Pack your bags. You're gone.

Actually you do have a choice. Keep your neighborhood and property up. Make wise property decisions. Buy a house in an established neighborhood, not one on the border of a business district or university.

[zen]

[quote name='Hilltopper' post='55555' date='Feb 5 2008,
Apples and Oranges to you... it's still fruit no matter how you slice it. The fruit being the fact that someone else's subjective judgement decides whether you get to keep what you own.

I guess this is where you and I disagree. As a buisness owner I would look at it as an opportunity to move up in life.

That's just it. It isn't about what you would do. What you or I would do in that situation doesn't matter. We have no choice. Pack your bags. You're gone.

Actually you do have a choice. Keep your neighborhood and property up. Make wise property decisions. Buy a house in an established neighborhood, not one on the border of a business district or university.

So, what you are saying is, put your business in a location that no one will want, thereby assuring that your business will probably fail.
What you are saying is, with all the other things you have to consider when buying a house, you also need to try to predict where they will put
Highways
Streets
Shopping Plazas
Malls
City Hall
Police and Fire Stations
Parks
Water&Sewer district and public utilities and need for community easements
Potentially reclaimed wetlands
Host zones for endangered species
And any generally desirable areas for future housing and public development

Well, that pretty much narrows it down to shit.

This whole thing reminds me of the taxation debate.
Society punishes you for success. You are punished for making good choices, and you are punished for taking risks.
It pays to be a loser.
It pays to play it safe, and not stick your neck out for yourself or your family.
It pays to to not try

[g-mann17]

So, what you are saying is, put your business in a location that no one will want, thereby assuring that your business will probably fail.
What you are saying is, with all the other things you have to consider when buying a house, you also need to try to predict where they will put
Highways
Streets
Shopping Plazas
Malls
City Hall
Police and Fire Stations
Parks
Water&Sewer district and public utilities and need for community easements
Potentially reclaimed wetlands
Host zones for endangered species
And any generally desirable areas for future housing and public development

Well, that pretty much narrows it down to shit.

This whole thing reminds me of the taxation debate.
Society punishes you for success. You are punished for making good choices, and you are punished for taking risks.
It pays to be a loser.
It pays to play it safe, and not stick your neck out for yourself or your family.
It pays to to not try

You'll have to let me know how being a loser works out for you.

And anyone that doesn't look into what is going on around a neighborhood before they buy their home is a loser.

But that is besides the point, because you won't see a point of view other then your own. So I am done.

[zen]

You'll have to let me know how being a loser works out for you.

And anyone that doesn't look into what is going on around a neighborhood before they buy their home is a loser.

But that is besides the point, because you won't see a point of view other then your own. So I am done.

LOL< nice back handed insult.

Before I get to that, let me just say that when I was house hunting, I DID look around the neighborhoods, but I DID NOT look into factors related to eminent domain. You are tisking your finger at me like I am an idiot for not making potential government seizure as one of the many priorities I should have had when shopping around for homes. Senseless.

Now, I dunno why you want to bow out of an otherwise decent debate after your implied insult. I should be the one who is offended.
About my implied loserness.... let me add fuel to your fire. I started a business in 2004. In 2005, I was already turning a nice profit. Impressive, I suppose, since everything I read told me (I can't remember exactly, but the best I can remember) 80% of businesses operate at a loss in the first 5 years of operating, and more than 50% of them fold before two years.
Anyway, after grossing MORE THAN twice as much as I had when I was a peon employee working for someone else, but having to pay taxes that basically negated all the success I had so stressfully worked for, I suddenly realized that I came out ahead when I was a bitch for 'the man'.
So, yes, I am on the path of the multitudes again. Just another employee. I gave up my business. Life is easier when you don't have to deal with the IRS, and columbus, and regulation and laws out the ass, and liability coverage, and self insurance. Now I suckle at the teet of mother government like nearly everyone else I know. Mommy protect me. I want to be safe and ignorant. I don't wanna take any risks.

And now, as per your advice, I will extend that to my ownership habits. I would probably be smart to go back and be renter... but if I do own property, as you advise, I will be sure to own a crap-ass shanty on land no one will ever want.

[ZippyAlum]

My father owns several businesses and I know that govt. intrusion is alive and well. They say "no taxation without representation" but they are able to raise "fees" for licenses etc. at their discretion. Businesses enjoy tax write offs that the common person does not but when it comes to a liquor or food license you are at their mercy. However, the rent that most landlords get for the shacks they rent to college students is way above the level that landlords in other areas can charge. Supply and demand dictates what rent can be charged and the proximity to the university raises the amount that can be charged and still be competitive. Any business is a gamble but many of these houses have been providing landlords with good profits for years. Otherwise, why would so many ppl. invest in multiple properties? And now these ppl. will sell their rentals, businesses at great profit. I don't get what there is to complain about. If the university were just to take these properties without fair compensation it would be different but the owners stand to make a huge profit. My personal home is a palace compared to the rentals near the university but would not command the price that these owners are receiving. Hmmm, maybe they'll pay me a half a million and put the stadium in my backyard!!!!! Even a quarter of a million would do just fine!!

[ZippyforPresiden...]

Manny should build a new place across the street.
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From what I've heard Manny is the one who opened Ray's in Highland Square next to a bar called The Matinee which is also a Nemr owned establishment. Speaking as a student I can't wait until the new stadium goes up. And yeah, the Plasma Center needs to go. I hate trying to walk past that place when its open. I can't think of a time I've walked past that place and haven't been asked to spare change , if I have a cigarette (I don't even smoke), threatened, or had a home bum attempt to scam me or my buddies in some way. I understand everyone has problems and sometimes people fall on hard times but hitting up college students for money is an exercise in futility. I just want to be able to walk to class or to the Taco Bell without having to make up excuses about why I've got no cash flow or why I can't sign their "petition" with my phone number and credit card number.