[Zipmeister]

More on Cameron

The first sentence of this piece has me wondering. "It has been nearly nine months since Tri-Valley's Clay Cameron capped a superb high football school career." I’m not sure whether to be happy the kid went to a football school or upset that apparently he was always high. I did learn something new. Had no idea walk-ons cannot start practicing at the same time scholarship players do. Also it sounds like the kid isn't sold on being a linebacker.

Preferred walk-ons always go to camp with the team and are usually treated just like scholarship players with opportunities to compete for spots. Try-out walk-ons are added after tryouts the first week of the season, and are brought in as scout team fodder.

Well that just doesn't seem right. Who are teams going to use to fill out their scout team for their first game if they can't even have walk-on tryouts until the first week of the season? And doesn't this put teams whose season starts later in the year at a disadvantage?

Oh most preferred walk-ons will still end up on scout team once the season starts, as will all scholarship players getting redshirted or transfers sitting out (I hear Luke Getsy was one heluva scout team QB in '04). Preferred are just given an opportunity to compete and work in during camp, whereas the tryout guys, they'll be lucky if a coach or GA ever even learns their name.... they're scout team from the start. Being on scout team for the first game sucks because those guys never get a blow in practice, but once the try-out guys come in you have more bodies to throw in there and keep guys fresh.

This was a wonderful explanation, but you completely ignored the inter-squad inequity issue.
I believe the only way to correct this problem is to require all teams to start their seasons on the same week.

Teams can have walk-on tryouts whenever they want, most teams just wait until school starts so they don't have to pay to house, transport, and feed a bunch of guys during camp who have no chance to play. I believe the NCAA cap for guys in camp is 105, but most teams won't carry that many to camp. I'm not really sure where the inequity is?

Now hold on a sec there partner. You told me before that tryouts were not held until the first week of the season. Now you say they can be held anytime they want. That means that they could hold them the week before practice starts, but the guy who wrote the article which started me wondering in the first place says that regular walk-ons cannot start practicing at the same time as scholarship players. So just what's goin on here? Were you streachen the truth before, or now?

What do you not understand?? At Akron, walk-on tryouts are the first week of school (at least they always have been), so if you aren't a preferred walk-on, you can't start practicing until the first week of school when you make the team. There's no NCAA rule on when you can hold walk-on tryouts, but almost all programs hold them when school starts. There's no point in bringing in scout team guys when there's no scout team in camp, and there's no point in paying for guys to eat and sleep on campus when they will be getting no reps in camp. What the heck are you confused about, and where exactly did I contradict myself?

I don't understand why you keep changing your explanation. First, it was they can't hold tryouts till the first week of the season. Then, it was whenever they want. Now, it's the first week of school. Three explanations, three start times, and you don't see where you are contradicting yourself!

[InTheZone]

More on Cameron

The first sentence of this piece has me wondering. "It has been nearly nine months since Tri-Valley's Clay Cameron capped a superb high football school career." I’m not sure whether to be happy the kid went to a football school or upset that apparently he was always high. I did learn something new. Had no idea walk-ons cannot start practicing at the same time scholarship players do. Also it sounds like the kid isn't sold on being a linebacker.

Preferred walk-ons always go to camp with the team and are usually treated just like scholarship players with opportunities to compete for spots. Try-out walk-ons are added after tryouts the first week of the season, and are brought in as scout team fodder.

Well that just doesn't seem right. Who are teams going to use to fill out their scout team for their first game if they can't even have walk-on tryouts until the first week of the season? And doesn't this put teams whose season starts later in the year at a disadvantage?

Oh most preferred walk-ons will still end up on scout team once the season starts, as will all scholarship players getting redshirted or transfers sitting out (I hear Luke Getsy was one heluva scout team QB in '04). Preferred are just given an opportunity to compete and work in during camp, whereas the tryout guys, they'll be lucky if a coach or GA ever even learns their name.... they're scout team from the start. Being on scout team for the first game sucks because those guys never get a blow in practice, but once the try-out guys come in you have more bodies to throw in there and keep guys fresh.

This was a wonderful explanation, but you completely ignored the inter-squad inequity issue.
I believe the only way to correct this problem is to require all teams to start their seasons on the same week.

Teams can have walk-on tryouts whenever they want, most teams just wait until school starts so they don't have to pay to house, transport, and feed a bunch of guys during camp who have no chance to play. I believe the NCAA cap for guys in camp is 105, but most teams won't carry that many to camp. I'm not really sure where the inequity is?

Now hold on a sec there partner. You told me before that tryouts were not held until the first week of the season. Now you say they can be held anytime they want. That means that they could hold them the week before practice starts, but the guy who wrote the article which started me wondering in the first place says that regular walk-ons cannot start practicing at the same time as scholarship players. So just what's goin on here? Were you streachen the truth before, or now?

What do you not understand?? At Akron, walk-on tryouts are the first week of school (at least they always have been), so if you aren't a preferred walk-on, you can't start practicing until the first week of school when you make the team. There's no NCAA rule on when you can hold walk-on tryouts, but almost all programs hold them when school starts. There's no point in bringing in scout team guys when there's no scout team in camp, and there's no point in paying for guys to eat and sleep on campus when they will be getting no reps in camp. What the heck are you confused about, and where exactly did I contradict myself?

I don't understand why you keep changing your explanation. First, it was they can't hold tryouts till the first week of the season. Then, it was whenever they want. Now, it's the first week of school. Three explanations, three start times, and you don't see where you are contradicting yourself!

Dude, you are a complete idiot. Reread the posts and get back to me.

[cornbread]

Dude, you are a complete idiot. Reread the posts and get back to me.

It made sense to me.

[Zipmeister]

Dude, you are a complete idiot. Reread the posts and get back to me.

As per your instructions, I have reread the posts and am now getting back to you.
So what you are saying, if I understand correctly, is that when you get caught changing your explanation over and over and can't seem to get your story straight no matter how hard you try and some one points out to you that you can't offer the same explanation twice in a row, you resort to calling people names. It would have been more polite to just make up another explanation. And what if poor Clay is reading this thread? By this time, he may be terribly confused about when he should report to practice.

[cornbread]

Dude, you are a complete idiot. Reread the posts and get back to me.

As per your instructions, I have reread the posts and am now getting back to you.
So what you are saying, if I understand correctly, is that when you get caught changing your explanation over and over and can't seem to get your story straight no matter how hard you try and some one points out to you that you can't offer the same explanation twice in a row, you resort to calling people names. It would have been more polite to just make up another explanation. And what if poor Clay is reading this thread? By this time, he may be terribly confused about when he should report to practice.

Ill take it from here... thanks

No one wins when you argue on the internet
*Read text does not have the benefit of delivery mechanisms like hand motions, facial expressions, etc
*You are experiencing a large amount of cognitive dissonance that is not allowing you to read his comments and take them at their face value. Your anger and what every other emotions that are driving you to follow this thread are masking your brain's ability to understand.

[ZachTheZip]

Zipmeister, walk-on tryouts for the University of Akron football team are being held on Thursday, September 9th at 6:00 PM. If you're interested in trying out, you can pick up papers from the offices in the JAR. I think you might be too tall for the cornerback position, but you could probably make the starting PK spot without much effort.

[InTheZone]

Dude, you are a complete idiot. Reread the posts and get back to me.

As per your instructions, I have reread the posts and am now getting back to you.
So what you are saying, if I understand correctly, is that when you get caught changing your explanation over and over and can't seem to get your story straight no matter how hard you try and some one points out to you that you can't offer the same explanation twice in a row, you resort to calling people names. It would have been more polite to just make up another explanation. And what if poor Clay is reading this thread? By this time, he may be terribly confused about when he should report to practice.

Ill take it from here... thanks

No one wins when you argue on the internet
*Read text does not have the benefit of delivery mechanisms like hand motions, facial expressions, etc
*You are experiencing a large amount of cognitive dissonance that is not allowing you to read his comments and take them at their face value. Your anger and what every other emotions that are driving you to follow this thread are masking your brain's ability to understand.

I'm gonna give ole Zipmeister one more shot at this cornbread. If he doesn't get it this time, I'm going to be awfully embarrassed to say that he has a degree from the same institution of higher learning that I do.

Now follow along Zipmeister...

1. There is no NCAA rule on when teams must hold walk-on tryouts. There's no "National Tryout Day" like national signing day. It's completely up to the football staff.

2. Most teams hold tryouts after the season starts. They don't want to house and feed walk-ons who will have no chance to contribute during the season and are only needed for scout team. There's no scout team in camp.

3. Akron has usually held walk-on tryouts around the 1st week of school or shortly thereafter, as do most schools.

Now, not one of those statements contradict each other. If you feel that they do, please don't ever take a logic class. You will be sorely disappointed with your grade.

[Zipmeister]

Dude, you are a complete idiot. Reread the posts and get back to me.

As per your instructions, I have reread the posts and am now getting back to you.
So what you are saying, if I understand correctly, is that when you get caught changing your explanation over and over and can't seem to get your story straight no matter how hard you try and some one points out to you that you can't offer the same explanation twice in a row, you resort to calling people names. It would have been more polite to just make up another explanation. And what if poor Clay is reading this thread? By this time, he may be terribly confused about when he should report to practice.

Ill take it from here... thanks

No one wins when you argue on the internet
*Read text does not have the benefit of delivery mechanisms like hand motions, facial expressions, etc
*You are experiencing a large amount of cognitive dissonance that is not allowing you to read his comments and take them at their face value. Your anger and what every other emotions that are driving you to follow this thread are masking your brain's ability to understand.

I'm gonna give ole Zipmeister one more shot at this cornbread. If he doesn't get it this time, I'm going to be awfully embarrassed to say that he has a degree from the same institution of higher learning that I do.

Now follow along Zipmeister...

1. There is no NCAA rule on when teams must hold walk-on tryouts. There's no "National Tryout Day" like national signing day. It's completely up to the football staff.

2. Most teams hold tryouts after the season starts. They don't want to house and feed walk-ons who will have no chance to contribute during the season and are only needed for scout team. There's no scout team in camp.

3. Akron has usually held walk-on tryouts around the 1st week of school or shortly thereafter, as do most schools.

Now, not one of those statements contradict each other. If you feel that they do, please don't ever take a logic class. You will be sorely disappointed with your grade.

Now this explanation was much more clear than your previous attempts. The only thing missing was that you failed to specify the exact date of National Tryout Day as required by the NCAA. Speaking of logic classes; one of my favorite undergraduate classes was Sentential Calculus.

[InTheZone]

Dude, you are a complete idiot. Reread the posts and get back to me.

As per your instructions, I have reread the posts and am now getting back to you.
So what you are saying, if I understand correctly, is that when you get caught changing your explanation over and over and can't seem to get your story straight no matter how hard you try and some one points out to you that you can't offer the same explanation twice in a row, you resort to calling people names. It would have been more polite to just make up another explanation. And what if poor Clay is reading this thread? By this time, he may be terribly confused about when he should report to practice.

Ill take it from here... thanks

No one wins when you argue on the internet
*Read text does not have the benefit of delivery mechanisms like hand motions, facial expressions, etc
*You are experiencing a large amount of cognitive dissonance that is not allowing you to read his comments and take them at their face value. Your anger and what every other emotions that are driving you to follow this thread are masking your brain's ability to understand.

I'm gonna give ole Zipmeister one more shot at this cornbread. If he doesn't get it this time, I'm going to be awfully embarrassed to say that he has a degree from the same institution of higher learning that I do.

Now follow along Zipmeister...

1. There is no NCAA rule on when teams must hold walk-on tryouts. There's no "National Tryout Day" like national signing day. It's completely up to the football staff.

2. Most teams hold tryouts after the season starts. They don't want to house and feed walk-ons who will have no chance to contribute during the season and are only needed for scout team. There's no scout team in camp.

3. Akron has usually held walk-on tryouts around the 1st week of school or shortly thereafter, as do most schools.

Now, not one of those statements contradict each other. If you feel that they do, please don't ever take a logic class. You will be sorely disappointed with your grade.

Now this explanation was much more clear than your previous attempts. The only thing missing was that you failed to specify the exact date of National Tryout Day as required by the NCAA. Speaking of logic classes; one of my favorite undergraduate classes was Sentential Calculus.

Oh God. I hope that was sarcastic

[Zipmeister]

Dude, you are a complete idiot. Reread the posts and get back to me.

As per your instructions, I have reread the posts and am now getting back to you.
So what you are saying, if I understand correctly, is that when you get caught changing your explanation over and over and can't seem to get your story straight no matter how hard you try and some one points out to you that you can't offer the same explanation twice in a row, you resort to calling people names. It would have been more polite to just make up another explanation. And what if poor Clay is reading this thread? By this time, he may be terribly confused about when he should report to practice.

Ill take it from here... thanks

No one wins when you argue on the internet
*Read text does not have the benefit of delivery mechanisms like hand motions, facial expressions, etc
*You are experiencing a large amount of cognitive dissonance that is not allowing you to read his comments and take them at their face value. Your anger and what every other emotions that are driving you to follow this thread are masking your brain's ability to understand.

I'm gonna give ole Zipmeister one more shot at this cornbread. If he doesn't get it this time, I'm going to be awfully embarrassed to say that he has a degree from the same institution of higher learning that I do.

Now follow along Zipmeister...

1. There is no NCAA rule on when teams must hold walk-on tryouts. There's no "National Tryout Day" like national signing day. It's completely up to the football staff.

2. Most teams hold tryouts after the season starts. They don't want to house and feed walk-ons who will have no chance to contribute during the season and are only needed for scout team. There's no scout team in camp.

3. Akron has usually held walk-on tryouts around the 1st week of school or shortly thereafter, as do most schools.

Now, not one of those statements contradict each other. If you feel that they do, please don't ever take a logic class. You will be sorely disappointed with your grade.

Now this explanation was much more clear than your previous attempts. The only thing missing was that you failed to specify the exact date of National Tryout Day as required by the NCAA. Speaking of logic classes; one of my favorite undergraduate classes was Sentential Calculus.

Oh God. I hope that was sarcastic

It most certainly was not. I really liked that class. However, I think we are beginning to stray from the original thread topic.

[InTheZone]

I meant about "National Tryout Day"

[MDZip]

I meant about "National Tryout Day"

While this is entertaining to many of us who have been on this board for a while, just to try to help here so you don't start tearing your hair out, if you look at any of the Zipmeister's posts from the past several years you will find a pattern. He loves sarcastic, tongue-in-cheek types of posts. I'd estimate maybe 1 in 100 of his posts are actually serious. It's his "thing". Even his name was based on a Saturday Night Live character who exhibted some of the same annoying traits. Don't take him seriously as some of his posts are actually quite funny when viewed in that light. Don't get into an argument with him because he will continue to play it for as just as long as this one has seemed to go on.

Next week: An analysis of JohnnyZip84.

[InTheZone]

I meant about "National Tryout Day"

While this is entertaining to many of us who have been on this board for a while, just to try to help here so you don't start tearing your hair out, if you look at any of the Zipmeister's posts from the past several years you will find a pattern. He loves sarcastic, tongue-in-cheek types of posts. I'd estimate maybe 1 in 100 of his posts are actually serious. It's his "thing". Even his name was based on a Saturday Night Live character who exhibted some of the same annoying traits. Don't take him seriously as some of his posts are actually quite funny when viewed in that light. Don't get into an argument with him because he will continue to play it for as just as long as this one has seemed to go on.

Next week: An analysis of JohnnyZip84.

I've been on this board since the beginning (was "OLDSCHOOLZIP" when we switched over from the old angelfire site in '04) and I've never noticed him, but I hope to God that you're right. I should've known no one could be that stupid! I won't play the game any longer.