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 Mar 26 2012, 05:04 PM
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QUOTE(akzipper @ Mar 26 2012, 05:39 PM)  From what I remember we finished 1st...Ohio U was 3rd. 2nd best was Buffalo... I could care less about the MAC regular season championship! And in seasons where we won the MACC, no one else did either. It's a consolation prize and only bought us a first round NIT loss. And besides, we've now been there and done that. Keeping this on-topic, do you think anyone from OU cares they finished third in the MAC regular season? Of course not! They will remember it as the best season in their program's history. I want post season wins and preferably multiple ones. This team has the talent. Anything less is underachieving anymore. -------------------- "Rule #76: No excuses, play like a champion!"
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Mar 26 2012, 08:22 PM
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Zips Junkie Group: Members Posts: 5432 Joined: 5-December 04 From: Green, Ohio Member No.: 120 |
All you need to know about the importance of the MAC regular season is that John Groce, who is currently being wooed by the University of Illinois to sign up for a multimillion-dollar payday, has a 4-year MAC conference record of 34-30.
I really do appreciate that KD and the team finally brought a MAC regular season championship to UA. It's never been done before, and it's nice to know the Zips can do it. Now that they've finally done it, the focus can go back to getting to the NCAA tournament. Winning the most MAC games during the regular season only counts if there are also enough good OOC wins to add up to an at-large bid. Otherwise, winning the MAC tournament championship is the key to the big-time. In the world of big-time college basketball, winning NCAA tournament games is all that really counts. |
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Mar 27 2012, 07:43 AM
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Zips Junkie Group: Members Posts: 1357 Joined: 8-November 07 Member No.: 4828 |
QUOTE(Dave in Green @ Mar 26 2012, 09:22 PM) In the world of big-time college basketball, winning NCAA tournament games is all that really counts. Tell that to Jamie Dixon |
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Mar 27 2012, 08:18 AM
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 UA Intramural Legend Group: Moderators Posts: 7885 Joined: 23-February 04 From: McDonald Ohio Member No.: 3 |
QUOTE(trimmy10 @ Mar 26 2012, 06:04 PM) I could care less about the MAC regular season championship! And in seasons where we won the MACC, no one else did either. It's a consolation prize and only bought us a first round NIT loss. And besides, we've now been there and done that. Keeping this on-topic, do you think anyone from OU cares they finished third in the MAC regular season? Of course not! They will remember it as the best season in their program's history. I want post season wins and preferably multiple ones. This team has the talent. Anything less is underachieving anymore. Who had the better season?: Green Bay Packers: 15-1, best record in the NFL NY Giants: 9-7 regular season, Super Bowl Championship Dambrot said it, Cventinovic, Abreu and other players said it too - "Winning the MAC Regular Season Championship is 'the little prize.' Winning the MAC Tournament and getting the NCAA bid is 'The Big Prize'." |
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Mar 27 2012, 09:08 AM
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Zips Junkie Group: Members Posts: 4870 Joined: 17-November 06 Member No.: 722 |
QUOTE(Captain Kangaroo @ Mar 27 2012, 09:18 AM) Who had the better season?: Green Bay Packers: 15-1, best record in the NFL NY Giants: 9-7 regular season, Super Bowl Championship Dambrot said it, Cventinovic, Abreu and other players said it too - "Winning the MAC Regular Season Championship is 'the little prize.' Winning the MAC Tournament and getting the NCAA bid is 'The Big Prize'." The difference is that people across the country will remember that the Packers had the best record in the NFL this year, but very few will remember that the Akron Zips had the best record in the MAC this year. Your comments likely support the "the regular season doesn't matter" faction of our fanbase. And I didn't believe you were on that side. Maybe I'm wrong. Here's my simple answer: I'd rather have the MAC regular season AND tournament title. And if I don't have the tournament title, we can at least still call ourselves "MAC Champs" and put a banner in the arena, rather than walking away from the tournament loss with absolutely nothing to show for our efforts in that particular year, like the other dozen or so teams have to do. But surely, the way the system is set up right now, the tournament title has much greater value because of the NCAA bid. That's why I think that the focus of the regular season should be on earning an At-Large bid, rather than trying to simply win a MAC regular season title. |
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Mar 27 2012, 09:35 AM
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Winning the regular season gives you the #1 seed. With the #1 seed, you should have the advantage to win the MCC. A team only has to win two games in the MAC tourney to get an automatic bid to the NCAA tourney (which is the goal, as stated by KD and players). I would say the new format puts some emphasis on winning the regular season title.
--------------------  "One original thought is worth a thousand mindless quotings"--Diogenes of Sinope |
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Mar 27 2012, 10:39 AM
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Zips Junkie Group: Members Posts: 5432 Joined: 5-December 04 From: Green, Ohio Member No.: 120 |
Over the past four seasons, both the Zips and OU have made it to the NCAA tournament twice without having won the MAC regular season championship.
The difference is that OU has won three NCAA tournament games while the Zips have yet to win. Looking at that, it's not unreasonable for Zips fans to be more focused on the importance of winning NCAA tournament games than anything else right now. To win NCAA tournament games, first you have to get to the NCAA tournament. If winning the MAC regular season championship and/or having a winning record against strong OOC opponents makes it more likely for the Zips to make it to the NCAA tournament, I don't see how any Zips fan could be against having those as secondary goals that contribute to the larger goal. But, ultimately, Zips fans are not going to be completely satisfied until the team not only gets to the NCAA tournament but wins tournament games. OU's done it twice in the last three seasons. Can't did it a decade earlier. Zips fans want their team to be better than Can't, OU, or any other team in the MAC. Exceeding the accomplishments of OU and Can't on the national college basketball stage is the only way to achieve that goal. |
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Mar 27 2012, 10:51 AM
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UA Intramural Legend Group: Moderators Posts: 7885 Joined: 23-February 04 From: McDonald Ohio Member No.: 3 |
QUOTE(skip-zip @ Mar 27 2012, 10:08 AM) The difference is that people across the country will remember that the Packers had the best record in the NFL this year, but very few will remember that the Akron Zips had the best record in the MAC this year. Your comments likely support the "the regular season doesn't matter" faction of our fanbase. And I didn't believe you were on that side. Maybe I'm wrong. Here's my simple answer: I'd rather have the MAC regular season AND tournament title. And if I don't have the tournament title, we can at least still call ourselves "MAC Champs" and put a banner in the arena, rather than walking away from the tournament loss with absolutely nothing to show for our efforts in that particular year, like the other dozen or so teams have to do. But surely, the way the system is set up right now, the tournament title has much greater value because of the NCAA bid. That's why I think that the focus of the regular season should be on earning an At-Large bid, rather than trying to simply win a MAC regular season title. Comparing the national notoriety of the Green Bay Packers to the Akron Zips is obviously not my point. At least I thought that was obvious. To be clear, my point is - Regular season titles are nice, but winning in the post-season, at any level of sports, in any sport, is what your team's success is ultimately judged by. What is the stereotype of Marty Schottenheimer - Never made a Super Bowl despite always having great regular seasons? He's a notch below Marv Levy, who whiffed in 4 consecutive Super Bowls. What's the stereotype of LeBron? Until he wins a playoff championship, he's just another great player who couldn't win the big one. Ditto Dan Marino. Keith Dambrot is correct in saying the MAC regular season title is Nice. Winning it on K.e.n.t.'s court was really nice. But would a Zips' fan trade it for a 1st round NCAA win against Michigan? In an f-ing heartbeat. |
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Mar 27 2012, 12:41 PM
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 Zips Junkie Group: Members Posts: 1264 Joined: 23-February 04 Member No.: 13 |
QUOTE(Dave in Green @ Mar 27 2012, 11:39 AM) Over the past four seasons, both the Zips and OU have made it to the NCAA tournament twice without having won the MAC regular season championship. The difference is that OU has won three NCAA tournament games while the Zips have yet to win. Looking at that, it's not unreasonable for Zips fans to be more focused on the importance of winning NCAA tournament games than anything else right now. To win NCAA tournament games, first you have to get to the NCAA tournament. If winning the MAC regular season championship and/or having a winning record against strong OOC opponents makes it more likely for the Zips to make it to the NCAA tournament, I don't see how any Zips fan could be against having those as secondary goals that contribute to the larger goal. But, ultimately, Zips fans are not going to be completely satisfied until the team not only gets to the NCAA tournament but wins tournament games. OU's done it twice in the last three seasons. Can't did it a decade earlier. Zips fans want their team to be better than Can't, OU, or any other team in the MAC. Exceeding the accomplishments of OU and Can't on the national college basketball stage is the only way to achieve that goal. Dave this doesn't sound like the NIT Cheerleader we heard from a few weeks ago. Funny how perspective changes in a few short weeks. |
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Mar 27 2012, 01:02 PM
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Zips Junkie Group: Members Posts: 5432 Joined: 5-December 04 From: Green, Ohio Member No.: 120 |
@Big Zip, I have not changed my perspective a bit. I've been pretty consistent in my agreement with KD, the players and other Zips fans that the NIT is the small prize and the NCAAT is the big prize. Like everyone else, I was disappointed that the Zips ended up only with the small prize and not the big prize. I would have been even more disappointed if they hadn't won any prize of any size.
I had less enthusiasm for the Zips' participation in the NIT than I would have if they'd been in the NCAAT. But I still had at least a little interest in following the Zips in the NIT when a few other fans were saying they had no interest at all. I hope that clarifies my perspective for you. It will remain consistent and won't change next season. |
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Mar 27 2012, 02:20 PM
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Zips Junkie Group: Members Posts: 635 Joined: 28-September 06 Member No.: 620 |
It is being reported that Groce will be named Illini HC today or tomorrow at the latest. And few are happy. Mike Thomas is catching grief because of this hire. In fact, they are saying, that he is in over his head.
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Mar 27 2012, 02:24 PM
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Boals to OU?
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Mar 27 2012, 02:40 PM
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Zips Junkie Group: Members Posts: 6715 Joined: 12-September 04 From: Parts Unknown, USA Member No.: 91 |
QUOTE(akronad @ Mar 27 2012, 03:20 PM) It is being reported that Groce will be named Illini HC today or tomorrow at the latest. And few are happy. Mike Thomas is catching grief because of this hire. In fact, they are saying, that he is in over his head. It may not be a great hire, but it is a good enough hire. Groce knows one thing about modern day sports. Find a star and live/die with him. He rode Cooper as long as he could and probably could have done it for another successful year. Time to cash in though. If he can find a star in IL somewhere, he'll do fine....Cooper was a star IL basketball star. Find another star and he could be there 7 years from now. There were other names mentioned...all of them would have been making a mistake to take this job and should wait for a higher profile job if possible. For now, Groce is the best Thomas can do so he isn't really in over his head as much as he is doing the best he can with what he has to work with...he did a good job of this at Akron. -------------------- "...you want it to be one way. But it's the other way." --Marlo Stanfield, The Wire
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Mar 27 2012, 04:04 PM
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UA Intramural Legend Group: Moderators Posts: 7885 Joined: 23-February 04 From: McDonald Ohio Member No.: 3 |
QUOTE(akronad @ Mar 27 2012, 03:20 PM) It is being reported that Groce will be named Illini HC today or tomorrow at the latest. And few are happy. Mike Thomas is catching grief because of this hire. In fact, they are saying, that he is in over his head. http://www.suntimes.com/sports/11558295-41...ball-coach.html The worst coaching hire in Mike Thomas' career still won a MAC football championship. He's a great AD. |
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Mar 27 2012, 04:42 PM
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Zips Junkie Group: Members Posts: 1784 Joined: 24-February 04 From: Green Member No.: 29 |
QUOTE(Zips Win! @ Mar 27 2012, 03:24 PM) Boals to OU? It would be the logical choice for OU. |
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