Seems they like the UCF project that combined an arena with other development:
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...engaged KUD to develop “Uptown UCF,” a complex of student housing, retail, parking structures and a new Convocation Center / Sports Arena.
Link to developer.
Full Version: arena project going forward?
Buried at the bottom of the UPA article in the ABJ.
Seems they like the UCF project that combined an arena with other development:
Link to developer.
Seems they like the UCF project that combined an arena with other development:
Link to developer.
A few years ago, I said that such a thing becoming a reality might be 10 years in the future. So, maybe I can cut a few years off of that now. So, don't hold your breath. It's still just talk. A number of factors make this a more distant propositon than some people want to believe.
"Off-balance sheet financing, while retaining control over the ownership of the new facilities" has to be the key attraction to UA for this type of project.
The big positive for Zips basketball fans is that this may be the most likely way to get a new arena built to replace the JAR in the near future despite the current weak economy.
A small negative for basketball fans is that a multipurpose arena might not be optimized for basketball. But as we've discussed here previously, if done right, a multipurpose arena can still be really good for basketball.
Another negative for some people would be having this facility downtown instead of on campus -- a discussion that was previously beaten into the ground on ZN.O. The general consensus of past discussions has been that building the facility on the east side of downtown, right on the city's border with UA's campus, would satisfy all but a few hardcore advocates who would only be satisfied with a Zips basketball arena built inside the current UA campus borders and clearly separted from the downtown area.
The big positive for Zips basketball fans is that this may be the most likely way to get a new arena built to replace the JAR in the near future despite the current weak economy.
A small negative for basketball fans is that a multipurpose arena might not be optimized for basketball. But as we've discussed here previously, if done right, a multipurpose arena can still be really good for basketball.
Another negative for some people would be having this facility downtown instead of on campus -- a discussion that was previously beaten into the ground on ZN.O. The general consensus of past discussions has been that building the facility on the east side of downtown, right on the city's border with UA's campus, would satisfy all but a few hardcore advocates who would only be satisfied with a Zips basketball arena built inside the current UA campus borders and clearly separted from the downtown area.
QUOTE(Dave in Green @ Oct 16 2011, 10:10 AM) 
"Off-balance sheet financing, while retaining control over the ownership of the new facilities" has to be the key attraction to UA for this type of project.
The big positive for Zips basketball fans is that this may be the most likely way to get a new arena built to replace the JAR in the near future despite the current weak economy.
A small negative for basketball fans is that a multipurpose arena might not be optimized for basketball. But as we've discussed here previously, if done right, a multipurpose arena can still be really good for basketball.
Another negative for some people would be having this facility downtown instead of on campus -- a discussion that was previously beaten into the ground on ZN.O. The general consensus of past discussions has been that building the facility on the east side of downtown, right on the city's border with UA's campus, would satisfy all but a few hardcore advocates who would only be satisfied with a Zips basketball arena built inside the current UA campus borders and clearly separted from the downtown area.
The big positive for Zips basketball fans is that this may be the most likely way to get a new arena built to replace the JAR in the near future despite the current weak economy.
A small negative for basketball fans is that a multipurpose arena might not be optimized for basketball. But as we've discussed here previously, if done right, a multipurpose arena can still be really good for basketball.
Another negative for some people would be having this facility downtown instead of on campus -- a discussion that was previously beaten into the ground on ZN.O. The general consensus of past discussions has been that building the facility on the east side of downtown, right on the city's border with UA's campus, would satisfy all but a few hardcore advocates who would only be satisfied with a Zips basketball arena built inside the current UA campus borders and clearly separted from the downtown area.
I'll just add that a new arena regardless of its location is likely better for the growth of the program and university than remaining in the JAR indefinitely.
The basketball facility and current state of the football program are likely the only major factors limiting our attractiveness to more prestigious athletic conferences.
GoZips did mention that Dambrot thought that Barberton's basketball facilities was so good that they could possibly have a good bulk of workouts, practices, etc. there if renovations are being done in the JAR. Maybe KD knows something we don't know? Is LeBron giving up some money and donating it for a new convocation center/arena?
Gwinnett Arena would be a good example of the type of arena the Zips could have. I went to a concert there once and it was great. In lieu of 13,000 seats, we could have 10,000 seats. Akron could draw a lot of concerts, etc. that are just not large enough for whatever they call the arena where the Cavs play now. The conference center Gwinnett has is not needed...nobody wants to have a convention in Akron.
For a private arena, the question always becomes, who would go there for events? Gwinnett Co. has a huge population base and there are a lot of people there anyhow. Who would drive from the Cleveland suburbs to a concert in Akron? There isn't much proof that would take place. As long as the University doesn't have to sink much money into this place, I say move forward. If they do, don't move.
For a private arena, the question always becomes, who would go there for events? Gwinnett Co. has a huge population base and there are a lot of people there anyhow. Who would drive from the Cleveland suburbs to a concert in Akron? There isn't much proof that would take place. As long as the University doesn't have to sink much money into this place, I say move forward. If they do, don't move.
QUOTE(GP1 @ Oct 16 2011, 12:16 PM)
Gwinnett Arena would be a good example of the type of arena the Zips could have. I went to a concert there once and it was great. In lieu of 13,000 seats, we could have 10,000 seats. Akron could draw a lot of concerts, etc. that are just not large enough for whatever they call the arena where the Cavs play now. The conference center Gwinnett has is not needed...nobody wants to have a convention in Akron.
For a private arena, the question always becomes, who would go there for events? Gwinnett Co. has a huge population base and there are a lot of people there anyhow. Who would drive from the Cleveland suburbs to a concert in Akron? There isn't much proof that would take place. As long as the University doesn't have to sink much money into this place, I say move forward. If they do, don't move.
For a private arena, the question always becomes, who would go there for events? Gwinnett Co. has a huge population base and there are a lot of people there anyhow. Who would drive from the Cleveland suburbs to a concert in Akron? There isn't much proof that would take place. As long as the University doesn't have to sink much money into this place, I say move forward. If they do, don't move.
They drive to blossom
QUOTE(MaxZIP @ Oct 16 2011, 06:44 PM)
QUOTE(GP1 @ Oct 16 2011, 12:16 PM)
Gwinnett Arena would be a good example of the type of arena the Zips could have. I went to a concert there once and it was great. In lieu of 13,000 seats, we could have 10,000 seats. Akron could draw a lot of concerts, etc. that are just not large enough for whatever they call the arena where the Cavs play now. The conference center Gwinnett has is not needed...nobody wants to have a convention in Akron.
For a private arena, the question always becomes, who would go there for events? Gwinnett Co. has a huge population base and there are a lot of people there anyhow. Who would drive from the Cleveland suburbs to a concert in Akron? There isn't much proof that would take place. As long as the University doesn't have to sink much money into this place, I say move forward. If they do, don't move.
For a private arena, the question always becomes, who would go there for events? Gwinnett Co. has a huge population base and there are a lot of people there anyhow. Who would drive from the Cleveland suburbs to a concert in Akron? There isn't much proof that would take place. As long as the University doesn't have to sink much money into this place, I say move forward. If they do, don't move.
They drive to blossom
Browns fans drive to Columbus to see a winner.
QUOTE(MaxZIP @ Oct 16 2011, 06:44 PM)
QUOTE(GP1 @ Oct 16 2011, 12:16 PM)
Gwinnett Arena would be a good example of the type of arena the Zips could have. I went to a concert there once and it was great. In lieu of 13,000 seats, we could have 10,000 seats. Akron could draw a lot of concerts, etc. that are just not large enough for whatever they call the arena where the Cavs play now. The conference center Gwinnett has is not needed...nobody wants to have a convention in Akron.
For a private arena, the question always becomes, who would go there for events? Gwinnett Co. has a huge population base and there are a lot of people there anyhow. Who would drive from the Cleveland suburbs to a concert in Akron? There isn't much proof that would take place. As long as the University doesn't have to sink much money into this place, I say move forward. If they do, don't move.
For a private arena, the question always becomes, who would go there for events? Gwinnett Co. has a huge population base and there are a lot of people there anyhow. Who would drive from the Cleveland suburbs to a concert in Akron? There isn't much proof that would take place. As long as the University doesn't have to sink much money into this place, I say move forward. If they do, don't move.
They drive to blossom
Would they drive to Akron in February to see a concert? No....
QUOTE(GP1 @ Oct 16 2011, 12:16 PM)
Gwinnett Arena would be a good example of the type of arena the Zips could have. I went to a concert there once and it was great. In lieu of 13,000 seats, we could have 10,000 seats. Akron could draw a lot of concerts, etc. that are just not large enough for whatever they call the arena where the Cavs play now. The conference center Gwinnett has is not needed...nobody wants to have a convention in Akron.
For a private arena, the question always becomes, who would go there for events? Gwinnett Co. has a huge population base and there are a lot of people there anyhow. Who would drive from the Cleveland suburbs to a concert in Akron? There isn't much proof that would take place. As long as the University doesn't have to sink much money into this place, I say move forward. If they do, don't move.
For a private arena, the question always becomes, who would go there for events? Gwinnett Co. has a huge population base and there are a lot of people there anyhow. Who would drive from the Cleveland suburbs to a concert in Akron? There isn't much proof that would take place. As long as the University doesn't have to sink much money into this place, I say move forward. If they do, don't move.
I'm not sure this even matters. We just want Akron people to support Akron, instead of going elsewhere. Right?
And Akron should have a convention center. Were a large enough city.
QUOTE(skip-zip @ Oct 16 2011, 08:22 PM)
QUOTE(GP1 @ Oct 16 2011, 12:16 PM)
Gwinnett Arena would be a good example of the type of arena the Zips could have. I went to a concert there once and it was great. In lieu of 13,000 seats, we could have 10,000 seats. Akron could draw a lot of concerts, etc. that are just not large enough for whatever they call the arena where the Cavs play now. The conference center Gwinnett has is not needed...nobody wants to have a convention in Akron.
For a private arena, the question always becomes, who would go there for events? Gwinnett Co. has a huge population base and there are a lot of people there anyhow. Who would drive from the Cleveland suburbs to a concert in Akron? There isn't much proof that would take place. As long as the University doesn't have to sink much money into this place, I say move forward. If they do, don't move.
For a private arena, the question always becomes, who would go there for events? Gwinnett Co. has a huge population base and there are a lot of people there anyhow. Who would drive from the Cleveland suburbs to a concert in Akron? There isn't much proof that would take place. As long as the University doesn't have to sink much money into this place, I say move forward. If they do, don't move.
I'm not sure this even matters. We just want Akron people to support Akron, instead of going elsewhere. Right?
And Akron should have a convention center. Were a large enough city.
We do. It's called the John S. Knight Center.
QUOTE(MaxZIP @ Oct 16 2011, 06:44 PM)
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For a private arena, the question always becomes, who would go there for events?
They drive to blossom
Monsters of Rock.
Ozzfest.
Akronites drive to rat-bastard-Cleveland. Clevelanders can drive to Akron.
Besides, we've absolutely got to hold our own.
When Cleveland built Gund Arena w/ the agreement that the Richfield Colesium would shut down as not to compete - it was officially on. "Cleveland+" is an ABSOLUTE sham and mockery. Akron+ needs a development like this.
Besides, we've absolutely got to hold our own.
When Cleveland built Gund Arena w/ the agreement that the Richfield Colesium would shut down as not to compete - it was officially on. "Cleveland+" is an ABSOLUTE sham and mockery. Akron+ needs a development like this.
QUOTE(Dave in Green @ Oct 16 2011, 10:10 AM)
"Off-balance sheet financing, while retaining control over the ownership of the new facilities" has to be the key attraction to UA for this type of project.
The big positive for Zips basketball fans is that this may be the most likely way to get a new arena built to replace the JAR in the near future despite the current weak economy.
A small negative for basketball fans is that a multipurpose arena might not be optimized for basketball. But as we've discussed here previously, if done right, a multipurpose arena can still be really good for basketball.
Another negative for some people would be having this facility downtown instead of on campus -- a discussion that was previously beaten into the ground on ZN.O. The general consensus of past discussions has been that building the facility on the east side of downtown, right on the city's border with UA's campus, would satisfy all but a few hardcore advocates who would only be satisfied with a Zips basketball arena built inside the current UA campus borders and clearly separted from the downtown area.
The big positive for Zips basketball fans is that this may be the most likely way to get a new arena built to replace the JAR in the near future despite the current weak economy.
A small negative for basketball fans is that a multipurpose arena might not be optimized for basketball. But as we've discussed here previously, if done right, a multipurpose arena can still be really good for basketball.
Another negative for some people would be having this facility downtown instead of on campus -- a discussion that was previously beaten into the ground on ZN.O. The general consensus of past discussions has been that building the facility on the east side of downtown, right on the city's border with UA's campus, would satisfy all but a few hardcore advocates who would only be satisfied with a Zips basketball arena built inside the current UA campus borders and clearly separted from the downtown area.
The University of Akron basically IS downtown Akron.
QUOTE(trimmy10 @ Oct 16 2011, 08:59 PM)
QUOTE(skip-zip @ Oct 16 2011, 08:22 PM)
QUOTE(GP1 @ Oct 16 2011, 12:16 PM)
Gwinnett Arena would be a good example of the type of arena the Zips could have. I went to a concert there once and it was great. In lieu of 13,000 seats, we could have 10,000 seats. Akron could draw a lot of concerts, etc. that are just not large enough for whatever they call the arena where the Cavs play now. The conference center Gwinnett has is not needed...nobody wants to have a convention in Akron.
For a private arena, the question always becomes, who would go there for events? Gwinnett Co. has a huge population base and there are a lot of people there anyhow. Who would drive from the Cleveland suburbs to a concert in Akron? There isn't much proof that would take place. As long as the University doesn't have to sink much money into this place, I say move forward. If they do, don't move.
For a private arena, the question always becomes, who would go there for events? Gwinnett Co. has a huge population base and there are a lot of people there anyhow. Who would drive from the Cleveland suburbs to a concert in Akron? There isn't much proof that would take place. As long as the University doesn't have to sink much money into this place, I say move forward. If they do, don't move.
I'm not sure this even matters. We just want Akron people to support Akron, instead of going elsewhere. Right?
And Akron should have a convention center. Were a large enough city.
We do. It's called the John S. Knight Center.
I know that. I've been in there many times. That comment was my reaction to the mention in this thread that Akron doesn't need a convention center.
This gives me a thought. With the University already owning the Quaker Square property, and with the convention center being almost right across the street, with a huge parking deck right in between........I wonder if that area can all be connected together and incorporate an arena? There's also a huge church property right there that's for sale, and Greystone Hall is right there as well.
Here's just one example of an event that could play well at an Akron arena:
When the Harlem Globetrotters play in the Detroit area on Dec. 26, they will be playing at the Palace at Auburn Hills where the Detroit Pistons play and where they have more big concerts than the Q. The Palace can seat 22,076 for basketball, the largest seating capacity in the NBA.
On Dec. 28, the Globetrotters are playing at Toledo's Huntington Center, seating capacity 8,000.
On Jan. 28, they are playing at Youngstown's Covelli Center, seating capacity 5,700.
On Feb. 1 they are playing at the Canton Civic Center, seating capacity 5,200.
There are many entertainment events like the Harlem Globetrotters that could perform in Akron if there were a suitable facility.
When the Harlem Globetrotters play in the Detroit area on Dec. 26, they will be playing at the Palace at Auburn Hills where the Detroit Pistons play and where they have more big concerts than the Q. The Palace can seat 22,076 for basketball, the largest seating capacity in the NBA.
On Dec. 28, the Globetrotters are playing at Toledo's Huntington Center, seating capacity 8,000.
On Jan. 28, they are playing at Youngstown's Covelli Center, seating capacity 5,700.
On Feb. 1 they are playing at the Canton Civic Center, seating capacity 5,200.
There are many entertainment events like the Harlem Globetrotters that could perform in Akron if there were a suitable facility.
QUOTE(Dave in Green @ Oct 17 2011, 12:55 PM)
Here's just one example of an event that could play well at an Akron arena:
When the Harlem Globetrotters play in the Detroit area on Dec. 26, they will be playing at the Palace at Auburn Hills where the Detroit Pistons play and where they have more big concerts than the Q. The Palace can seat 22,076 for basketball, the largest seating capacity in the NBA.
On Dec. 28, the Globetrotters are playing at Toledo's Huntington Center, seating capacity 8,000.
On Jan. 28, they are playing at Youngstown's Covelli Center, seating capacity 5,700.
On Feb. 1 they are playing at the Canton Civic Center, seating capacity 5,200.
There are many entertainment events like the Harlem Globetrotters that could perform in Akron if there were a suitable facility.
When the Harlem Globetrotters play in the Detroit area on Dec. 26, they will be playing at the Palace at Auburn Hills where the Detroit Pistons play and where they have more big concerts than the Q. The Palace can seat 22,076 for basketball, the largest seating capacity in the NBA.
On Dec. 28, the Globetrotters are playing at Toledo's Huntington Center, seating capacity 8,000.
On Jan. 28, they are playing at Youngstown's Covelli Center, seating capacity 5,700.
On Feb. 1 they are playing at the Canton Civic Center, seating capacity 5,200.
There are many entertainment events like the Harlem Globetrotters that could perform in Akron if there were a suitable facility.
You mean like the JAR? Because they played there either last year or the one before.
QUOTE(Dave in Green @ Oct 17 2011, 12:55 PM)
Here's just one example of an event that could play well at an Akron arena:
When the Harlem Globetrotters play in the Detroit area on Dec. 26, they will be playing at the Palace at Auburn Hills where the Detroit Pistons play and where they have more big concerts than the Q. The Palace can seat 22,076 for basketball, the largest seating capacity in the NBA.
On Dec. 28, the Globetrotters are playing at Toledo's Huntington Center, seating capacity 8,000.
On Jan. 28, they are playing at Youngstown's Covelli Center, seating capacity 5,700.
On Feb. 1 they are playing at the Canton Civic Center, seating capacity 5,200.
There are many entertainment events like the Harlem Globetrotters that could perform in Akron if there were a suitable facility.
When the Harlem Globetrotters play in the Detroit area on Dec. 26, they will be playing at the Palace at Auburn Hills where the Detroit Pistons play and where they have more big concerts than the Q. The Palace can seat 22,076 for basketball, the largest seating capacity in the NBA.
On Dec. 28, the Globetrotters are playing at Toledo's Huntington Center, seating capacity 8,000.
On Jan. 28, they are playing at Youngstown's Covelli Center, seating capacity 5,700.
On Feb. 1 they are playing at the Canton Civic Center, seating capacity 5,200.
There are many entertainment events like the Harlem Globetrotters that could perform in Akron if there were a suitable facility.
I took the kids to see the Globetrotters at the JAR a few years ago.
QUOTE(Hilltopper @ Oct 17 2011, 11:38 AM)
I took the kids to see the Globetrotters at the JAR a few years ago.
who won??
QUOTE(GP1 @ Oct 16 2011, 07:50 PM)
QUOTE(MaxZIP @ Oct 16 2011, 06:44 PM)
QUOTE(GP1 @ Oct 16 2011, 12:16 PM)
Gwinnett Arena would be a good example of the type of arena the Zips could have. I went to a concert there once and it was great. In lieu of 13,000 seats, we could have 10,000 seats. Akron could draw a lot of concerts, etc. that are just not large enough for whatever they call the arena where the Cavs play now. The conference center Gwinnett has is not needed...nobody wants to have a convention in Akron.
For a private arena, the question always becomes, who would go there for events? Gwinnett Co. has a huge population base and there are a lot of people there anyhow. Who would drive from the Cleveland suburbs to a concert in Akron? There isn't much proof that would take place. As long as the University doesn't have to sink much money into this place, I say move forward. If they do, don't move.
For a private arena, the question always becomes, who would go there for events? Gwinnett Co. has a huge population base and there are a lot of people there anyhow. Who would drive from the Cleveland suburbs to a concert in Akron? There isn't much proof that would take place. As long as the University doesn't have to sink much money into this place, I say move forward. If they do, don't move.
They drive to blossom
Would they drive to Akron in February to see a concert? No....
A fan would drive the 30-45 min for a concert. Hell people drive hours to see bands. Akron is not a major journey...I wonder if they would play in Akron.
if I have friends who drive to cleveland, columbus, and even CANT STATE for concerts, you know damn well people from those areas would come here. Hell.... if CAN'T STATE can pull in big names in today's music culture, we should be able to do with the right facility.
QUOTE(GP1 @ Oct 16 2011, 12:16 PM)
Gwinnett Arena would be a good example of the type of arena the Zips could have. I went to a concert there once and it was great. In lieu of 13,000 seats, we could have 10,000 seats. Akron could draw a lot of concerts, etc. that are just not large enough for whatever they call the arena where the Cavs play now. The conference center Gwinnett has is not needed...nobody wants to have a convention in Akron.
Something like this would probably also make EJ Thomas PAH redundant and available for redevelopment. I was very surprised to hear not too long ago that various options are being considered for EJ due to declining attendance/cashflow for its shows, including removing it. Even though it was much acclaimed when built in the 70's, it's now going on 40 years old. I believe some new auditoriums have been built on campus for dance/theater/etc. that could handle a bit smaller audiences. That corner of Buchtel and Wolf Ledges would be very convenient for additional PolySci or Law or student housing space.
QUOTE(Doug Snyder @ Oct 17 2011, 04:14 PM)
QUOTE(Hilltopper @ Oct 17 2011, 11:38 AM)
I took the kids to see the Globetrotters at the JAR a few years ago.
who won??
Who'd they play?
QUOTE(ZippyRulz @ Oct 17 2011, 05:00 PM)
...That corner of Buchtel and Wolf Ledges would be very convenient for additional PolySci or Law or student housing space.
Speaking of which, UA should purchase the former Inventure Place building.
The Globetrotters played at the JAR in January 2010. I wonder how many people didn't go due to the uncomfortable seats and poor sight lines? Maybe that's why they skipped Akron this year. 
QUOTE(Blue & Gold @ Oct 17 2011, 05:07 PM)
QUOTE(ZippyRulz @ Oct 17 2011, 05:00 PM)
...That corner of Buchtel and Wolf Ledges would be very convenient for additional PolySci or Law or student housing space.
Speaking of which, UA should purchase the former Inventure Place building.
Inventure Place still houses the Hall of Fame in the basement and a newly added magnet public school.
QUOTE(Blue & Gold @ Oct 17 2011, 05:07 PM)
QUOTE(ZippyRulz @ Oct 17 2011, 05:00 PM)
...That corner of Buchtel and Wolf Ledges would be very convenient for additional PolySci or Law or student housing space.
Speaking of which, UA should purchase the former Inventure Place building.
Too late. The city bought it and turned it into a STEM-focused middle school.
QUOTE(Dave in Green @ Oct 17 2011, 02:22 PM)
The Globetrotters played at the JAR in January 2010. I wonder how many people didn't go due to the uncomfortable seats and poor sight lines? Maybe that's why they skipped Akron this year.
I took my daughter to the Lady Zips soccer game on Sunday. We took umbrellas and a blanket. The blanket was for the seats so we would not get our arse wet. Turns out...the blanket also makes the aluminum seat very comfortable. Who knew...we learn something new every day
QUOTE(Blue & Gold @ Oct 17 2011, 05:04 PM)
QUOTE(Doug Snyder @ Oct 17 2011, 04:14 PM)
QUOTE(Hilltopper @ Oct 17 2011, 11:38 AM)
I took the kids to see the Globetrotters at the JAR a few years ago.
who won??
Who'd they play?
Did anybody get depantsed?
QUOTE(Dave in Green @ Oct 17 2011, 05:22 PM)
The Globetrotters played at the JAR in January 2010. I wonder how many people didn't go due to the uncomfortable seats and poor sight lines? Maybe that's why they skipped Akron this year.
Actually, the Canton Civic Center is probably more of a dump than the JAR (and that's saying something), but at least their seats are chair-backed.
I love UCF Arena. It looks to be exactly what we need @ UA. 10,000 seats looks/seems appropriate.
However, it is a basketball arena (which can also host concerts) but not a true multi-purpose arena - which can accomodate hockey/indoor soccer.
I prefer basketball arenas as, IMHO, half of the seats for basketball in a multi-purpose arena aren't very good. They're simply too far from the court.
Again, I love UCF Arena. I think it's perfect. Pitt's Peterson Events Center is another great arena, but probably a bit too large for UA, as it seats (IIRC) 12,500.
However, it is a basketball arena (which can also host concerts) but not a true multi-purpose arena - which can accomodate hockey/indoor soccer.
I prefer basketball arenas as, IMHO, half of the seats for basketball in a multi-purpose arena aren't very good. They're simply too far from the court.
Again, I love UCF Arena. I think it's perfect. Pitt's Peterson Events Center is another great arena, but probably a bit too large for UA, as it seats (IIRC) 12,500.
A nice 6,000 seat arena would be great. BGSU hit a home run with their new arena.
http://www.bgsufalcons.com/sports/2009/6/1...3607.aspx?id=91
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stroh_Center
http://www.bgsufalcons.com/sports/2009/6/1...3607.aspx?id=91
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stroh_Center
Actually, I don't mind if the arena gets built on the western edge next to downtown. It would be better if it was somewhere near the sports complex but it would not be that inconvenient and there is so much development in that direction. What I do not want to see is a multi use facility. In a few years people will be whining about yada yada yada and use that as an excuse for the poor attendance. Let's get it right and build something great for basketball.
Doug, it doesn't matter. People will find something to whine about no matter what. America leads the world in whining. It's what we do best. 
QUOTE(Akron1 @ Oct 17 2011, 08:00 PM)
A nice 6,000 seat arena would be great. BGSU hit a home run with their new arena.
http://www.bgsufalcons.com/sports/2009/6/1...3607.aspx?id=91
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stroh_Center
http://www.bgsufalcons.com/sports/2009/6/1...3607.aspx?id=91
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stroh_Center
I like the Stroh Center much more than the JAR. But with only one level, IMHO, it still looks kind of like a glorified high school gym.
I think that to really impress the high school kids, two levels is a must.
One arena that is slightly larger than the Stroh Center, but which has two levels (3 actually, but it's a technicality & difficult to tell in the pictures) is Rhode Island's Ryan Center. Beautiful facility with 7,657 seats. I'd be thrilled if we could simply duplicate it.
Ryan Center website
QUOTE(Doug Snyder @ Oct 17 2011, 08:16 PM)
Let's get it right and build something great for basketball.
+1.
But I'd take anything over simply renovating the JAR.
QUOTE(Blue & Gold @ Oct 17 2011, 10:20 PM)
QUOTE(Doug Snyder @ Oct 17 2011, 08:16 PM)
Let's get it right and build something great for basketball.
+1.
But I'd take anything over simply renovating the JAR.
Minus the upper level benches, EMU's joint is a fantastic place for basketball as well. Look it up.
QUOTE(Blue & Gold @ Oct 17 2011, 07:20 PM)
QUOTE(Doug Snyder @ Oct 17 2011, 08:16 PM)
Let's get it right and build something great for basketball.
+1.
But I'd take anything over simply renovating the JAR.
Not from you!!! They renovated the Hartville hardware many times and now are building a 9 acre beautiful facility. The renovations at the old building did not stop the new one from being built. Same here. I think the JAR should be continually upgraded and renovated. It can be used for many things down the road. But build a BASKETBALL facility. It should be GREAT for basketball. Don't make the same mistake they made when they built they JAR. Wait...and do it right. Do not compromise.
QUOTE(Doug Snyder @ Oct 18 2011, 12:33 AM)
QUOTE(Blue & Gold @ Oct 17 2011, 07:20 PM)
QUOTE(Doug Snyder @ Oct 17 2011, 08:16 PM)
Let's get it right and build something great for basketball.
+1.
But I'd take anything over simply renovating the JAR.
Not from you!!! They renovated the Hartville hardware many times and now are building a 9 acre beautiful facility. The renovations at the old building did not stop the new one from being built. Same here. I think the JAR should be continually upgraded and renovated. It can be used for many things down the road. But build a BASKETBALL facility. It should be GREAT for basketball. Don't make the same mistake they made when they built they JAR. Wait...and do it right. Do not compromise.
So why would they have to wait to get it right? Why not get it right now? I think Dr. P is a man of action and thus far his actions have revitalized the campus.
If they can indeed get this going, the construction jobs will be a welcome boost to the local economy.
As much as I would love to see a new arena...
QUOTE(MaxZIP @ Oct 18 2011, 08:45 AM)
QUOTE(Doug Snyder @ Oct 18 2011, 12:33 AM)
QUOTE(Blue & Gold @ Oct 17 2011, 07:20 PM)
QUOTE(Doug Snyder @ Oct 17 2011, 08:16 PM)
Let's get it right and build something great for basketball.
+1.
But I'd take anything over simply renovating the JAR.
Not from you!!! They renovated the Hartville hardware many times and now are building a 9 acre beautiful facility. The renovations at the old building did not stop the new one from being built. Same here. I think the JAR should be continually upgraded and renovated. It can be used for many things down the road. But build a BASKETBALL facility. It should be GREAT for basketball. Don't make the same mistake they made when they built they JAR. Wait...and do it right. Do not compromise.
So why would they have to wait to get it right? Why not get it right now? I think Dr. P is a man of action and thus far his actions have revitalized the campus.
I'll dream along with Hilltopper.
Replacing a crumbling old football stadium could be justified as a necessity. Replacing a basketball arena that was just built in the 80s could not.
We can continue to harp about "but we need it to grow the program" all we want. But, I'll still expect the idea of a new arena to stay in the "discussion" phase for several more years.
The way I see it, if they keep bringing forward new arena plans every couple of years as part of hypothetical overall Akron development, statistics suggest that one of these random times it could actually happen if only by accident.
One factor KD and the Akron athletics staff has to look at is if they ever want to move beyond the MAC conference, a new arena is something that will most certainly be done. They can't be in an upper conference playing in a HS type facility.
QUOTE(Roo @ Oct 18 2011, 06:05 PM)
One factor KD and the Akron athletics staff has to look at is if they ever want to move beyond the MAC conference, a new arena is something that will most certainly be done. They can't be in an upper conference playing in a HS type facility.
A new arena is a must if we are to move to a higher conference...we are in total agreement. A new arena or an improved JAR is needed for the Zips to make the next step even without a new conference. But I think it would be wrong to not try and elevate the MAC. Where was the Horizon a few years ago. We should try to improve the MAC in all sports while keeping our options open should something be available that will improve the stature of the UofA. For me...I am not a fan of CUSA. But that may be our only option. That is one reason I think a lot of effort to improve the MAC should be made...it gives us more options.
Even if we don't go anywhere, an improved JAR is still a must.
In fact, if the city builds us an arena and we use it for men's basketball, then stripping out the JAR bleachers and replacing them with chairbacks becomes a more palatable option than it is now because we don't have to worry about the loss in capacity.
In fact, if the city builds us an arena and we use it for men's basketball, then stripping out the JAR bleachers and replacing them with chairbacks becomes a more palatable option than it is now because we don't have to worry about the loss in capacity.
QUOTE(Doug Snyder @ Oct 18 2011, 10:11 PM)
QUOTE(Roo @ Oct 18 2011, 06:05 PM)
One factor KD and the Akron athletics staff has to look at is if they ever want to move beyond the MAC conference, a new arena is something that will most certainly be done. They can't be in an upper conference playing in a HS type facility.
A new arena is a must if we are to move to a higher conference...we are in total agreement. A new arena or an improved JAR is needed for the Zips to make the next step even without a new conference. But I think it would be wrong to not try and elevate the MAC. Where was the Horizon a few years ago. We should try to improve the MAC in all sports while keeping our options open should something be available that will improve the stature of the UofA. For me...I am not a fan of CUSA. But that may be our only option. That is one reason I think a lot of effort to improve the MAC should be made...it gives us more options.
The MAC can be a solid basketball conference, but as a whole, I am not sold that every school is interested in improving their overall athletic profile. If the MAC wanted to make strides and improve as a whole as a better conference, I would be sold. Geographically, it is a nice conference. But Akron clearly wants to improve its status and a new or improved arena would go a long with that thinking.
I'm about to blow ya'lls mind.
I am sick of building a baseball field over there behind Cub Cadent. There is no reason for that when UA can strike a deal with the Aeros and play in that ball park. That would be ideal for sure.
Then, we take that space where the baseball field is and build the basketball arena. That way we have Info and the new basketball arena right next to each other, plus the baseball team will get to play at a minor league (great) stadium.
The JAR is....excuse me, A DUMP. The eye sore that is those blue seats are sickening. Akron deserves better.
I am sick of building a baseball field over there behind Cub Cadent. There is no reason for that when UA can strike a deal with the Aeros and play in that ball park. That would be ideal for sure.
Then, we take that space where the baseball field is and build the basketball arena. That way we have Info and the new basketball arena right next to each other, plus the baseball team will get to play at a minor league (great) stadium.
The JAR is....excuse me, A DUMP. The eye sore that is those blue seats are sickening. Akron deserves better.
It would be nice to have baseball play in Canal Park more often. We could schedule around the Aeros easily enough.
As far as a new arena goes, the JAR is undersized in the MAC. The average MAC arena has 7,769 seats. Only WMU, CMU, and BG have smaller arenas than us and everyone else has at least 6k seats. So a new Arena should have 8k seats, minimum. That would still put us behind sush powerhouse basketball programs at Eastern Michigan and Northern Illinois.
Don't tell me that it would always be empty. That shouldn't matter, anyways. It's more important that it's really nice and luxurious. You oversize it for two reasons: potential and recruiting. Potential for this team to string together several years of NCAA tournament appearances and make a run in one or two of them is there, and you don't want a crappy arena to hamper that. An arena, like a football stadium, is usually the only physical form of interaction between fans and a university. It's all they see and all they base their impressions on, so it had better be impressive. And with recruiting these days, kids would rather play in a really nice, huge arena that's three-quarters empty than a three-quarters full dump.
As far as a new arena goes, the JAR is undersized in the MAC. The average MAC arena has 7,769 seats. Only WMU, CMU, and BG have smaller arenas than us and everyone else has at least 6k seats. So a new Arena should have 8k seats, minimum. That would still put us behind sush powerhouse basketball programs at Eastern Michigan and Northern Illinois.
Don't tell me that it would always be empty. That shouldn't matter, anyways. It's more important that it's really nice and luxurious. You oversize it for two reasons: potential and recruiting. Potential for this team to string together several years of NCAA tournament appearances and make a run in one or two of them is there, and you don't want a crappy arena to hamper that. An arena, like a football stadium, is usually the only physical form of interaction between fans and a university. It's all they see and all they base their impressions on, so it had better be impressive. And with recruiting these days, kids would rather play in a really nice, huge arena that's three-quarters empty than a three-quarters full dump.
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