QUOTE(Zipsrifle @ Sep 13 2011, 09:56 PM)
Yada, yada, yada.
QUOTE(LosAngelesZipFan @ Sep 13 2011, 09:19 PM)
Why did this topic re-surface? Did something new pop up on this?
I still feel that UA and Can't State should be combined. Makes no sense for these 2 huge schools to sit 12 miles apart. There's even a frickin' train track that directly connects them.
Combine 'em. Make one world-class institution that can really serve NEO. It would have 70K+ students. All those branch campuses woud knit together all of NEO (ex-Cleveland), creating a true fan base and an unstoppable political force that would even the funding playing field with OSU. There would be a couple of truly world-class, synergistic programs (polymers, liquid crystals) that could readily lead to others. It would have a huge business school and nursing program. Linked architecture and engineering programs. It would logically take over NEOUCOM, adding medicine and pharmacy. It would raise $60-80M a year (to start but probably grow quickly) and have an global alumni base of something like 400K. The potential impact on the athletic programs is obvious-- an institution of this size and scope immediately warrants the attention of BCS conferences; the cost efficiencies and increased support would unlock significant increases in funding to key sports like football.
To fully get the impact, imagine someone like me living in LA. There are a few 1000 alums floating around here from UA and a few thousand from Can't State. Individually, it's really not enough to sustain an interesting alumni network. Putting them together and adding in the yearly flow from this much larger institution would provide the real potential for thriving alumni outposts that support the school, financially and otherwise.
These two institutions so close together and so similar in scope and scale is an anomaly. I love UA and the time I spent there. But I think we'd all have to admit that the reason we are here on this board is because deep down we want UA to play at a bigger level in every possible way. For us, it's an article of faith that it can. But clearly UA lacks the resources, scale, and footprint to readily spring to that next level. A combo with Can't would immediately eliminate most of those barriers.
Start with a confederation that merges alumni, some academic and our mutually woeful football programs-- it certainly wouldn't make the teams worse-- and over a few years pull the institutions together. UA is the science and graduate campus; Can't the undergrad and liberal arts campus. Run the train back and forth and keep the buses going to make it essentially a seamless dual-hub campus. Not saying it's easy, just that it is the one clear, obvious, and almost certain path to dramatically alter the trajectory of these 2 schools. Do it proactively-- don't wait for the state to one day decide that Akron should be a branch of CSU. Take control of the future by doing something historic!
Some good points here. In a thread some time ago I proposed and idea that would take some of these concepts even further, though it would likely damage or even destroy the "College Experience" as we know it today. Why stop with 2 schools close together? From the standpoint of saving money, I like the idea of linking all the schools and allowing the students to get their degree for any Ohio College. I took quite a few classes on-line and I think it is the way of the future.
Common classes and degrees would be available at the schools as they are today and over the internet. Schools with weak/low demand programs would have those programs cancelled. Schools with strong programs would keep those programs. Undergraduate students could take any class from any school online with the exception of hands-on classes/labs. These would need to be available for those students within a reasonable driving distance. It is likely that a school with a strength in that discipline would be nearby. Rare or exceptional programs may exist at only one school. My thought process is that we drive out the inefficiencies due to redundant/low demand programs and leverage technology (the Internet) to expose more people to what the schools throughout Ohio have to offer. It is conceivable that students may not even need step foot on campus.
Read what you two are writing. Neither of you are looking at the big picture. First off,
sports has absolutely nothing to do with building a "mega" university. In truth, sports
would likely be the first casualty. You do not need sports as part of a "mega" university's
identity. Its sheer size takes care of that.
Socialists eschew sports. The only sports they are interested in are those that promote
their agenda. For reference see the 1936 Olympics.
Speaking of sheer size; the student identity can be discarded. You become a number.
No need for inter-action with faculty. And, by all means take as many courses as possible
from your home computer in your underwear. The school needs the parking spaces.
Did any one mention that we already have a "mega" online university? Its
name is the University of Phoenix.
Once you establish that its an all encompassing one the next step is to determine where
to locate this "mega" university. Why in Akron? Why not in scenic Can't? Any attempt
to have satellite campuses would soon evolve into a central campus. You lose control
if you have satellite campuses.
Bigger is better? Where is that written in stone? Why is sacrificing your personal identity
so important to you? When has government ever run anything efficiently? Four hundred
dollar toilet seats? And, you want a governing body to create a mega school that is
perfect in every conceivable way. You are far more naive than you know.
Fingerhut is a well known Socialist. His objective and former fuehrer Ted Strickland is
to push their socialist ideas on the populace. Their world view is that they know better
than you do what is good for you.
Think this through without the blinders and rose colored glasses of socialism. Mega
universities are at best a hair-brained idea. At worst, a means to control thought.
Why who needs two or more competing ideas to build an airplane, an Internet, a
washing machine? Competition is the antisis of socialism. It scares them to death.
Have we brain washed students to the point that they no longer think for themselves?
What kind of university system turns out autotrons? Why, the kind you are advocating.
1) The NAZI's were Socialists, not "right wingers".
2) You all love and admire the University of Phoenix. Right?
3) I recently purchased a toilet seat for my home. Cost: $9.87 at Home Depot.
And, it was not the cheapest model available.
4) Winston Churchill is quoted as saying, "if you are not a Liberal at age twenty
you have no heart. If you are not a Conservative by age forty, you have
no brains." (both Fingerhut and Strickland are past age forty).