ZipRoo Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 Lots of insight into Chris Jacquemain and Tyler Campbell's tragic downward spiral. http://www.cleveland.com/sports/college/in...save_chris.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltopper Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 A very sad story. Congrats to the PD and the author for not turning it into an attack on UA. Same for the families of the players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 A very sad story. Congrats to the PD and the author for not turning it into an attack on UA. Same for the families of the players. Agreed. Two things really stick out. First, PK addiction doesn't care where you are from, what you look like or what your parents have. When it hits, it hits hard. Second, I have a real concern about Oxycontin being given out to college kids for shoulder surgery for what seems to be routine operations. From what I understand, Oxycontin does not block pain...it is a mind altering drug that cause the brain of the person with pain to tell the person that they have none. Given the pressures kids have to play with pain, etc., it is no wonder that something like this happened. Under normal conditions, the exit from these drugs has to be monitored by a physician because they are hard to get off of even if taken at the proper doses. Anyone remember when Brett Favre had to go to rehab? He wasn't abusing drugs, he just had a hard time getting off of his normal doses. Giving these drugs to a college kid involved in athletics and the pressures to play just seems dangerous to me. If the NCAA could get away from making rules about what goes on bagels, they should look into this issue. I would bet there are a lot of ticking time bombs out there. This is a serious, serious issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 Agreed. Two things really stick out. First, PK addiction doesn't care where you are from, what you look like or what your parents have. When it hits, it hits hard. Second, I have a real concern about Oxycontin being given out to college kids for shoulder surgery for what seems to be routine operations. From what I understand, Oxycontin does not block pain...it is a mind altering drug that cause the brain of the person with pain to tell the person that they have none. Given the pressures kids have to play with pain, etc., it is no wonder that something like this happened. Under normal conditions, the exit from these drugs has to be monitored by a physician because they are hard to get off of even if taken at the proper doses. Anyone remember when Brett Favre had to go to rehab? He wasn't abusing drugs, he just had a hard time getting off of his normal doses. Giving these drugs to a college kid involved in athletics and the pressures to play just seems dangerous to me. If the NCAA could get away from making rules about what goes on bagels, they should look into this issue. I would bet there are a lot of ticking time bombs out there. This is a serious, serious issue. I wholeheartedly agree with just about everything you say here. But as pointed out in the story, CJ was prescribed Percocet (Oxycodone) after his shoulder surgery. On his own, he later later obtained Oxycontin. Your point remains valid however. The prescription and distribution of painkillers within college athletics needs to be addressed head on and soon. My heart absolutely goes out to these families and I have the utmost respect for their courage in bringing this issue to light. May God bless them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 Here is a related PD story on the availability of painkillers on college campuses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 I wholeheartedly agree with just about everything you say here. But as pointed out in the story, CJ was prescribed Percocet (Oxycodone) after his shoulder surgery. On his own, he later later obtained Oxycontin. Your point remains valid however. The prescription and distribution of painkillers within college athletics needs to be addressed head on and soon. My heart absolutely goes out to these families and I have the utmost respect for their courage in bringing this issue to light. May God bless them. Thanks for the correction. My hope is the NCAA takes as serious of a look at ALL medical issues players sustain while playing all sports. Brain injuries (many get them in high school and problem continues in college), spine injuries, pain killer abuse, debilitating knee injuries, etc. all happen to college athletes and there is nothing to support them once they leave school. They are human beings. If a horse sustained an injury that caused it to not be able to race, it would probably receive more medical support from its industry than a former college athlete receives after his/her playing days are over. Very sad story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 If anyone ever wondered what the polar opposite of a Terry Pluto story is...look no further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 sad story all the way around. shame on Ianello for making the kid have to earn his scholarship back. what a scum bag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZipRoo Posted February 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 sad story all the way around. shame on Ianello for making the kid have to earn his scholarship back. what a scum bag. Yeah, only an imbecile wouldn't have made IANELLO earn a college job again. Thankfully for him, Charlie Weis exists. (Note to all: I wouldn't be placing any bets on Kansas winning games.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Zip Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 Not to mention iCoach never used all the scholarships right? What a dick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootforRoo44 Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 Ya know, I wanted to like Ianello, I tried to like him. ..but this just reaffirms all the things i suspected about him all along. Sickening. But the article itself is fantastic. That is a fine piece of journalism that should be picked up by publications around the country. RIP Chris and Tyler...two of my favorite Zips ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 In 2010, Akron fired Brookhart and hired Rob Ianello, a former Notre Dame assistant coach, to take over the football program. Ianello, now an assistant coach at Kansas, said he was told of the addiction issues of Jacquemain and Campbell and that he needed to bring discipline to the program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 IMO, a real coach is somebody who not only is there for their players on the field, but off of the field as well. Campbell already proved that he could play, why not let him back with the scholarship? If I was in Tyler's position, honestly, I probably would have relapsed as well. Football, or any sport in general, is something that keeps a lot of people busy and out of trouble. Some people NEED that, and apparently Campbell was one of those people, and I dont blame him. Props to Brookhart for offering him a spot at Colorado, just very unfortunate that he was no longer NCAA eligible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akzipper Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 IMO, a real coach is somebody who not only is there for their players on the field, but off of the field as well. Campbell already proved that he could play, why not let him back with the scholarship? If I was in Tyler's position, honestly, I probably would have relapsed as well. Football, or any sport in general, is something that keeps a lot of people busy and out of trouble. Some people NEED that, and apparently Campbell was one of those people, and I dont blame him. Props to Brookhart for offering him a spot at Colorado, just very unfortunate that he was no longer NCAA eligible. Just goes to show how lucky and grateful we should be to have a guy like Bowden running this team now. He could win 2 games next year, but I truly believe he cares about his players more than anything and would do anything to see them succeed not only on the field, but off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Adams Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 WCan't State did a story about Tyler Campbell and the tragedy that befell his family. There were interviews with his parents. It was a well done peice which provided 'food for thought' about a reality of college sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 These situations/stories bring to mind several thoughts, some contradictory. 1. Football is very entertaining but it's beyond me how anyone can be surprised that some players will suffer debilitating injuries that will afflict them the rest of their lives, whether high school, college or professional. Shame on all of us collectively for not fully embracing that reality. At least the Roman spectators were clear about the fates of the losers. What does it say about football fans that they are generally unprepared to fully understand that their entertainment causes pain and agony that will last for many years for the entertainers? 2. People who are "addictive" in their personalities and in their genetics are at high risk whether they happen to play football or not. If one could press a button and engage numerous parallel realities with people like CJ, in how many of those parallel lives would he become addicted? 3. When an adult becomes addicted to narcotics, whose fault is it? Should doctors allow patients to suffer in agony or should they treat pain in the most efficient manner possible? 4. I get uncomfortable when it's suggested that because an adult has chosen to become akin to a modern-day gladiator, that there should be a special system to support them. The kid who is a student and falls on the ice on the way to class and is then prescribed pain killers doesn't have a "support system" beyond himself and his family to ensure that he doesn't become a junkie. Why is a coach somehow responsible for a player in this way? Ianello is a nasty unlikable human being, but why is it his responsibility to ensure that another adult doesn't become a drug addict? For those of you who have family members with such an affliction, is it your fault? I would say that addiction is such an intense drive for those so predisposed that to blame anyone for the addictions of others is to misplace that blame. 3. I worry when people believe that certain painkillers should perhaps not be offered to those in pain. There is weird moral and religious judgement that tends to leak into conversations about pain management. My very limited understanding is that if anything, modern medicine is still very much lacking in effective tools for pain management and their application. Addiction issues are agonizing to be sure, but when human suffering is acute, pain management becomes critical. I don't ever want to suffer extreme pain because a bureaucrat or a doctor is worried that I may develop substance abuse issues or that some amount of suffering on my part is OK in their mind. I could go on and on but the bottom line, getting back to football, is that we're actively incentivizing young adults to batter and brutalize each other for our entertainment, right within the context of our educational system. Think about it in those concrete terms and it's pretty dirty and unappealing. The next time you are tempted to go nuts cheering that big lick on the field, remember all of this. Pretty nasty, pretty unappealing stuff all of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 Thanks for the correction. My hope is the NCAA takes as serious of a look at ALL medical issues players sustain while playing all sports. Brain injuries (many get them in high school and problem continues in college), spine injuries, pain killer abuse, debilitating knee injuries, etc. all happen to college athletes and there is nothing to support them once they leave school. They are human beings. If a horse sustained an injury that caused it to not be able to race, it would probably receive more medical support from its industry than a former college athlete receives after his/her playing days are over. Very sad story. Horses are liquidated when they are no longer money makers or show potential as breeding stock. For many, liquidation means euthanasia. College athletes are adults. They need to fully internalize the truth that if they play a contact sport like football at the college level, there is a substantial likelihood that injuries, acute and chronic, may very well affect their quality of life until the day they die. That's the reality. I would bet that most don't stop for a second to think about the negative consequences, and I'm not aware of any processes in place that force them to face that reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 1. Football is very entertaining but it's beyond me how anyone can be surprised that some players will suffer debilitating injuries that will afflict them the rest of their lives, whether high school, college or professional. Shame on all of us collectively for not fully embracing that reality. At least the Roman spectators were clear about the fates of the losers. What does it say about football fans that they are generally unprepared to fully understand that their entertainment causes pain and agony that will last for many years for the entertainers? I love your posts on this issue. Especially the relation of the Roman fans to modern football fans. The Romans didn't have products like NFL Films showing them, and glorifying, major violent plays. ESPN is even more guilty than NFL Films. Roman fans had a certain maturity that our society is not capable of grasping. The Roman Gladiators were fighting to the death in reality and the fans understood exactly what was going on in the arena. ESPN and NFL films lead us to believe football players are modern day gladiators and the coaches are great philosophical leaders. They aren't. An alternate reality is created and our immature society is more than eager to embrace that false reality. The other major difference is the gladiators were killed immediately. Football players are being killed by the game well into their retirement. There came a point in Rome when enough was enough with the killing and the gladiators went away. It is taking us a while, but we are now seeing our modern day gladiators go away in a pathetic manner and we are starting to not like it. Will the NFL go away like the gladiators did in time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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