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8 hours ago, RowdyZip said:

This O-Line and defensive backfield may be approaching Ianello-level ineptitude.

Wow.  What can I say.  I am a new member to this forum but have been a visitor from afar for some time now.  I think everything starts with the O-Line.  I do not want to talk down about any of our current players since I am sure they are doing their best but some changes need to be made or we will not win a game this season.  The left side of our line is solid with Council and Brown.  I think our center, Peterson, is decent and will get better as the year progresses but the the right side of our line is having some trouble.  Corne at right guard is struggling and Forman is undersized at right tackle.  I know its still early but here is what I would do.  I would move Council from left guard over to right tackle and find two new guards.  That way at least we can hopefully protect Kato better.  At guard, you need some beef that can move people but still be nimble enough to pull and get to second level blocking.  Looking at our current roster I think you have 4 guys that may fit the job.  I would give Sample, Kallay, Fonte, and Robarge a go at it and see who emerges.  Muldowney, Forman, and the other true Freshman, do not have the physical attributes to make it happen.  If we could find a couple of road grader guards this may also lead to a running game improvement as well.  In addition, a blocking tight end would further help protect Kato and help the running game.  I just do not know if we have a guy on the roster that fits the job.  We need a 6'5"ish, 275 lb guy that could occasionally catch a ball.  Maybe look to some of our other OL players and convert one or two to TE.  Just my thoughts....

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4 hours ago, Lee Adams said:

Unfortunately, I am now convinced this will be no more than a 1 or 2 win season for the ZIPS. If You can't show any better than the worst team int he MAC, U are not going to win any games except by good fortune. EMU beat Illinois. Think that tells the tale of how bad this program is at this point. I am out until a win!

 

Yup.  I'm right there with ya.

 

4 hours ago, Lee Adams said:

I do believe Nelson will NOT finish as the starting QB!!! And, probably should not be for a program stating over.

 

Right!?  Let's see Ramart...is he really that bad?  We're already 0-3...

 

2 hours ago, LoyalZIP said:

Culture is improving, non football things are improving, but the football is still bad. Kato isn’t the answer IMO. The whole O line is done after this year IMO. And the defense needs a year or two to get to the average level. My hopes are still high but damn!!! Trust the process & go Zips!!

 

Culture is improving?  I see the same losing Zips. 2-3 more years of this and Arth will be gone.  You HAVE to see SOME sort of improvement from Coach X to Coach Y or you're going to be gone.  Brookheart mired in awful...and Ianello was worse.  Bowden had the same record as Ianello in his first year, but there was an obvious and detectable difference.  There has been ZERO change from the End of the Bowden era to Arth, I'd argue it's worse.

 

2 hours ago, zipsoutsider said:

 There has been zero worth trusting this year. Are you really asking for another year or two? What a joke!

 

Right?  Bowden we needed to get rid of immediately...but Arth he needs 2-3 years.  lolz

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6 hours ago, zipsoutsider said:

How do you know the culture is improving? There has been zero worth trusting this year. Are you really asking for another year or two? What a joke!

 

I've been around this group and I was around the previous group. I gave them time, I will give these people time. Simple equation, really.

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13 hours ago, RowdyZip said:

Whew. This is bad.

 

I want to give the staff the benefit of the doubt, but being uncompetitive against Central is unacceptable.  Central should be, by far, the worst team in the MAC this year.

 

Oh, and EMU went into Champaign and hung 34 on Illinois, with a walk-off FG win.

 

If you watched the game, you did see the worst team in the MAC this year.

But why limit ourselves to the MAC?

I think we have a shot at The Bottom Ten title this season.

Go Zips.

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This is the thread from the humiliating BG game last year.  I don't see any of you Arth haters taking up the torch for Bowden during of after that game.  What I see are posters who perpetually complain and like to beat, when it's down, anyone or anything related to the university or its sports teams.  Someone posted that they wanted the new coach to be a reincarnation of PJ Fleck.  His first year at WMU was 1-11.  The previous year WMU was 4-8.  Craig Creighton is turning around EMU.  His first two seasons were 2-10 and 1-11.

I realize that until there are marks in the win column it's open season on Arth and AD Williams and Infocision will remain empty.  But those who now defend Bowden who went 1-11 is first year or two, had a peak, and then brought the team back to the bottom of the MAC are simply doing so because they just want to hate.
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5 minutes ago, NWAkron said:

His first year at WMU was 1-11.  The previous year WMU was 4-8.  Craig Creighton is turning around EMU.  His first two seasons were 2-10 and 1-11.

I realize that until there are marks in the win column it's open season on Arth and AD Williams and Infocision will remain empty.  But those who now defend Bowden who went 1-11 is first year or two, had a peak, and then brought the team back to the bottom of the MAC are simply doing so because they just want to hate.
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PJ Fleck =/= Tom Arth.  You can go ahead and drop that comparison.  PJ Fleck is the exception to the rule, not the rule.  PJ Fleck was an unknown Quantity when he became a head coach, he was a WR coach from Tampa Bay.  Tom Arth is not.  Tom Arth is a 9-13 head coach at FCS Chattanooga.  If we were looking for "innovative" and "new" he was not it.  If he had just come from John Carroll than maybe I'd be on board for the comparison, but he didn't.  He already made the jump to a higher devision and really didn't have much success to speak of.  Bowden (and I really want to stop making the comparisons, but need to because everyone immediately throws him under the bus on this forum) had success EVERYWHERE he coached.  Salem, Samford, Auburn, North Alabama.  Akron is really the only place he seemed to struggle to get regular success as a head coach. 

To me this underscores the problem that everyone always ignores: Akron seems to have a unique problem other schools don't seem to have, and we all want to ignore that for some reason.  It also manifests itself in attendance, and with diehards like us.   

Fun Sidenote:  Tom Arth played QB in 2004 for the Scottish Claymores in Scotland.  Who woulda known?

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Bowden inherited the worst team in D1. At Chattanooga, Arth inherited a team who had a 9-4 record for two years prior to his arrival. 

 

You cannot honestly tell me that what we are seeing is better offensive play calling, either.

 

As @Zipmeister indicated, this might not 9nly be a winless season, but the worst team in D1. Probably a good thing we didnt play a decent FCS team, this year.

 

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1 hour ago, Balsy said:

 

PJ Fleck =/= Tom Arth.  You can go ahead and drop that comparison.  PJ Fleck is the exception to the rule, not the rule.  PJ Fleck was an unknown Quantity when he became a head coach, he was a WR coach from Tampa Bay.  Tom Arth is not.  Tom Arth is a 9-13 head coach at FCS Chattanooga.  If we were looking for "innovative" and "new" he was not it.  If he had just come from John Carroll than maybe I'd be on board for the comparison, but he didn't.  He already made the jump to a higher devision and really didn't have much success to speak of.  Bowden (and I really want to stop making the comparisons, but need to because everyone immediately throws him under the bus on this forum) had success EVERYWHERE he coached.  Salem, Samford, Auburn, North Alabama.  Akron is really the only place he seemed to struggle to get regular success as a head coach. 

To me this underscores the problem that everyone always ignores: Akron seems to have a unique problem other schools don't seem to have, and we all want to ignore that for some reason.  It also manifests itself in attendance, and with diehards like us.   

Fun Sidenote:  Tom Arth played QB in 2004 for the Scottish Claymores in Scotland.  Who woulda known?

first of all I never said Arth was the reincarnation of Fleck or Jesus Christ for that matter.  My point is that many great coaches have a couple bad years before they get things turned around.  And until he turns things around and starts getting wins and winning seasons, it will be open season on him.   

 

Also, Arth  wasn't the one chirping to Williams, "hey, fired Bowden and hire me." so comparing the two is exercise in futility.   As for the culture at Akron, there's a new president coming in and I'm certain if he wants a new direction for athletics he will make the appropriate big changes beginning with Athletic Director.   However, if the new president sees that the players academics are better, he will likely give Arth time to prove himself.

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6 minutes ago, NWAkron said:

 However, if the new president sees that the players academics are better, he will likely give Arth time to prove himself.

Are you even aware of the change in academics during the Bowden tenure? Zips FB had very graduation rates.

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Miscellaneous Game Notes:

 

I'll start with special teams, because they were atrocious last week. Did Boogie lose his (kick/punt) return job, or was he injured? I saw him dressed and on the field. Either way Michael Mathison looked good on kick returns, averaging 30 yards a return. Alvin only had one chance to return, but the punt was covered well.  Seems like the Zips changed their punt scheme to get some easy ones off yesterday. Good move. A long of 40 on 6 tries is not good, but at least there were no five yarders. Fitschen nailed a 40 yarder on his only chance. And congratulations to Cory Smigel. Fantastic on-side kick. That kick was better than most on Sunday's that I watch. Most improved unit from week to week. 

 

I really liked the way Kato's game has progressed. He is playing well with no running game, little protection, and surprising drops from his receivers. Why was Kato skating around the field so much? Did he have the correct cleats? Did something change? Seemed like he could have been more effective on multiple runs, but he slipped. 

 

It's a jailbreak on the right side of the offensive line right now. Something needs to change. I would probably put a TE on that side for some help. If I were playing the Zips, I would only rush three on obvious passing downs, that's all it takes to get pressure. This should be our number one practice issue this week. To give the line a little break, we played a ton of 00 personnel yesterday. Kato has little time to make a decision with no back or tight end. 

 

Nice to see Alvin back at safety making plays. Just watching him play the game is worth the price of your home ticket.

 

Davon'te Jest had another good game. His motor was going for four quarters. I thought #94 DL John Mitchell looked good. I'm not sure how many snaps he got, but when he was in, I saw some penetration. He might need more snaps. I noticed Justin Sampson out there once. He had a great spin move and got to the QB, but it was a quick pass. 

 

The Zips had nine rushing attempts by three different running backs for a total of ten yards. 

 

Nice to see the team play hard again in the second half. Can we put a first half together?

 

I opened a draft folder for Tony Poljan yesterday. I know an NFL team he could help right now. He is impressive, blocking and receiving. What a catch radius. Converted QB. 

 




 

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11 hours ago, Zippyroo said:

Wow.  What can I say.  I am a new member to this forum but have been a visitor from afar for some time now.  I think everything starts with the O-Line.  I do not want to talk down about any of our current players since I am sure they are doing their best but some changes need to be made or we will not win a game this season.  The left side of our line is solid with Council and Brown.  I think our center, Peterson, is decent and will get better as the year progresses but the the right side of our line is having some trouble.  Corne at right guard is struggling and Forman is undersized at right tackle.  I know its still early but here is what I would do.  I would move Council from left guard over to right tackle and find two new guards.  That way at least we can hopefully protect Kato better.  At guard, you need some beef that can move people but still be nimble enough to pull and get to second level blocking.  Looking at our current roster I think you have 4 guys that may fit the job.  I would give Sample, Kallay, Fonte, and Robarge a go at it and see who emerges.  Muldowney, Forman, and the other true Freshman, do not have the physical attributes to make it happen.  If we could find a couple of road grader guards this may also lead to a running game improvement as well.  In addition, a blocking tight end would further help protect Kato and help the running game.  I just do not know if we have a guy on the roster that fits the job.  We need a 6'5"ish, 275 lb guy that could occasionally catch a ball.  Maybe look to some of our other OL players and convert one or two to TE.  Just my thoughts....

Welcome @Zippyroo, I don’t know what the line depth is like but you are dead on that the right side of the line is struggling, that and defensive backs is definitely our biggest areas of concern

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Good observations and idea to move Council to RT. Wish our coaches would think of it. As I've mentioned why are we sitting CB Lubin (is he still on the team)? The true freshman CB's we have in there are getting hammered. I like our flea RB Lee as a change up guy, but can we give White a try or as someone else mentioned-maybe Floyd. A bit frustrating, but I suppose there are secret coaching reasons why these things are not happening. Might be a job for Zipsnation reporting.             

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14 hours ago, Zippyroo said:

Wow.  What can I say.  I am a new member to this forum but have been a visitor from afar for some time now.  I think everything starts with the O-Line.  I do not want to talk down about any of our current players since I am sure they are doing their best but some changes need to be made or we will not win a game this season.  The left side of our line is solid with Council and Brown.  I think our center, Peterson, is decent and will get better as the year progresses but the the right side of our line is having some trouble.  Corne at right guard is struggling and Forman is undersized at right tackle.  I know its still early but here is what I would do.  I would move Council from left guard over to right tackle and find two new guards.  That way at least we can hopefully protect Kato better.  At guard, you need some beef that can move people but still be nimble enough to pull and get to second level blocking.  Looking at our current roster I think you have 4 guys that may fit the job.  I would give Sample, Kallay, Fonte, and Robarge a go at it and see who emerges.  Muldowney, Forman, and the other true Freshman, do not have the physical attributes to make it happen.  If we could find a couple of road grader guards this may also lead to a running game improvement as well.  In addition, a blocking tight end would further help protect Kato and help the running game.  I just do not know if we have a guy on the roster that fits the job.  We need a 6'5"ish, 275 lb guy that could occasionally catch a ball.  Maybe look to some of our other OL players and convert one or two to TE.  Just my thoughts....

 

Welcome Zippyroo!  Nice post.  It's refreshing to see a post that discusses the team as opposed to the perpetual p!$$!n9 contest over the coaching (past and present).

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Once again going for a no win season.

But somehow he is better than Bowden.

Did Bowden take a bunch of players with him like KD?

Color me confused.

At this point mediocrity is better

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19 hours ago, Balsy said:

Let's see Ramart...is he really that bad?

Yes.....he is.  Nice kid, but not good QB.

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