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On 5/6/2017 at 5:57 PM, zippy5 said:

That's false. They are government. Doesn't matter either way. If they were for profit they could create a foundation and solicit all the donations their hearts desire.

 

I don't know how else to correct you on all of this.  But good luck to you if you'd like to try to advise a for-profit company to use their foundation as an alternative way to pay the bloated salaries of the company's highest paid employee.  

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On 5/6/2017 at 4:53 PM, zippy5 said:

Again, Bama isn't a "non-profit." I don't know what makes you think anything would change in their case if they were taxed. Additionally, Bama making money is really the exception to the rule.

 

Knowing your stance on education, I don't think you'd like to see how schools would be run if they were for profit. Bye bye tenure.

 

Universities in many ways are already for profit corporations, without the name, let's be real here.  Yeah, For profit education is about the worst idea in the universe for education, if you give a damn about it.  You expect people who have PhD's in research to stick around an organization that wants to nickel and dime their salary, with no protections and puts their job on the whim of an unproven, non-scientific, non-accredited evaluation system?  Good luck keeping them.  If they want that kind of job they could easily make considerably more in the private sector with their expertise.  

 

I mean just ask any current educator who's worth a damn; the state's current teacher evaluation system is an absolute joke.  It's actually impossible to tell good teachers from the bad...and in reality I'd argue it makes the best teachers look worse than they are.  In fact, it measures everything in short of that which actually makes a good teacher.  So have fun destroying education.  The moment public education moves to "for profit" I'm gone.  I can certainly make more than I do now, and have had offers to do so...I just happen to like what I do and am damn good at it.

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Completely agree, we should do away with this dog and pony show of an evaluation system.  People can tell who the bad teachers are after five minutes in the classroom.  Let the Principal decide who to fire and move on, just like in the corporate world. 

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And while we're at it, can we do away with teachers unions?  Like you said, you're degreed professionals, sometimes with PhD's.  Time to stop acting like you need collective protection like you're working in a coal mine in the 1950's. 

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29 minutes ago, pdt1420 said:

Completely agree, we should do away with this dog and pony show of an evaluation system.  People can tell who the bad teachers are after five minutes in the classroom.  Let the Principal decide who to fire and move on, just like in the corporate world. 

 

Now, the problem with that model (and why tenure exists at all) is because Principals change readily in schools.  Our oldest teacher in my department is retiring this year and he's seen 12 through his Career of 35 years.  He's had administrators that have hated him, and would have fired him on the spot if they could have because he had the gaul to tell them that their plans weren't going to work because of X, Y and Z.  Those administrators were always gone a year or two later while he's been there the whole time.  Really, if things were the way they used to be, he should be principal.  Unfortunately, you need to get a state certificate to do so, which is why he never cared to do it.

 

It also prevents principals who want to hire younger (and cheaper) people do fill jobs.  This is crucially important; because the people I learn most from are my peers.  Having people who have taught for 35 years is an invaluable resource.  Had some narrow minded administrator at some time gotten rid of them because they arbitrarily didn't like them, or arbitrarily liked the way they did things, than the younger teachers like myself would have lost out on that experience.

 

As for getting rid of teacher unions; completely disagree.  They act as a counterbalance in many districts for administrations screwing over kids because of whatever resume building policy they want to enact.  Classroom sizes, classroom resources, building resources that directly impact kids, unions fight for all the time, as well as making sure the district is compliant with state and federal law, especially when it comes to Disabilities and making sure that the law is being met on resources given.

 

Now there are some problems with unions as well.  I'm active in mine and we have actively considered becoming independent of the national/state Union at large.  I won't go into the nitty-gritty of why, but it isn't because unions are inherently bad.

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On 5/8/2017 at 8:43 AM, zippy5 said:

Right, salaries are their only expense :rolleyes: 

 

We were talking about massive salaries (like Saban's).  But my previous comment applies here anyway.

 

Although a for-profit company can use their charitable foundation to support their own selected causes, if you believe that this is a way to both bring in donated money and operate as a for-profit, and just simply use that money to pay company expenses, you've really been misinformed.  You can roll your eyes all you want, but I again wish you luck trying to pull that off.     

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Debating with you sometimes really is an exercise in futility sometimes :lol:

 

Go back and read my posts, I never once said what they could or should spend the money on, only that they could still solicit donations. That's all I'll say on this, it's a dumb argument either way because nothing is changing.

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It sure looked like you were telling us that they could use donations to pay expenses.  I was just correcting that.  But, you're right on everything else in your post above, and I agree that it's not going to change.  But what I'd like to change is that I wouldn't have been forced to know this subject as well as I have throughout the course of my career.  It's really exciting stuff.  :P

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