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That's what I figured; they did reconfigure the exits to that parking lot next to it.

They ought put the building behing Jillians and those other buildings- the drunken students wouldn't even have to cross the street to stumble home

So is the dorm replacing the Greek Village idea? Doesn't seem like there would be an extra 12 acres next to the proposed greek place.The Exchange deck expansion is probably good for the new stadium- people going to the games that parked there would be walking right up Carroll Commons and past the Union.

Oky think I can get these...1. Jackson field2. Polymer Annex at Forge and Hill3. The old Student Admin Services building where the payroll is, College St side4. Phi Delta Theta house (BTW what happened to it?!)5. This is a guess, Martin Center6. Lincoln St building7. Hower8. Honors Complex9. Larger part of the old SAS building, on College toward Market St10. SRWC11. Buchtel, the man and the hall12. Ballet Center13. A&S

Right across the street from the bars? Is that the best location?

When I read this, I thought "buildings, buildings, buildings." I think the administration's plan is for continuing the expansion of campus. UA is starting to remind me of Epcot, except Spaceship Earth is rectangular and made of glass...

Yeah that's what I think; they're just chattering

Yeah I suspect they plan to make CSU a regional UA campus like Wayne (although much, much larger), but every time I hear about it, I just think "why?"Some people have talked about putting all of the public universities under one entity, I suspect they're trying to get the ball rolling.

I don't... eek... I don't even like the thought of that. I don't know about the area around Polsky, but The area of E Market, MLK Blvd, Main, etc. is about an hour or more traffic jam to get back out. It's a total zoo. Of course, for a couple of years they've had Main closed down by the Civic for the festival, so that would help a little. What would be better about the Polsky deck for this purpose would be if they'd put the entrance on Broadway, and the exit on High, so people could pull straight in off of the expressway, and leave going in its direction.That's one nice thing about JAR- parking gets messy when there's something big there, but at least it's right off of Rte 8.Hey, maybe a parking deck off of the innerbelt... people might actually use it...

Are you still mad about the plasma center thread? Geez........I know where the deck is at, but why walk the extra distance? (And I'm talking about Canal Park here, the arena would be across the street from Polsky) But also, think of the Polsky deck design- the lower level has its own entrance on High, and all of the other levels use another, which is back on Broadway- they'd have to try and usher traffic to two different enterances.It seems to me, though, that they could avoid a lot of headaches by putting it closer to 76/77. Here's my idea- put it at the corner of Broadway and Bartges. There's a huge piece of empty land there, that's larger than the proposed site. It doesn't have roads on all four sides, and it's right across the street from Opportunity parking deck. I'll give you that it's further from the bars, but that would at least keep the people trying to get to the bars (and not the arena) and the arena people that aren't heading to the bars, from being packed into the same space.

Yeah you could, although it isn't real close either... and that's assuming the U would allow it for that use at non university events. There's some surface level parking that's between Polsky and where the arena would be (although a little too close to Mangos) but it's still a little far compared to what's across the street right now.If they have any sense at all, they'd put a deck in that, although it wouldn't be terribly big. That's one of the handy things about downtown, a lot of the buildings that got dilapidated were knocked down for parking, so it's usually plentiful.

Correction- oldest commercial building; there are houses that predate it. And age is really its only significance.There's one other bad thing here though- the rest of this area is currently gravel parking that takes the Aeros game traffic, now we'll have two stadiums with less parking nearby. People could park at the Opportunity deck, but I think some people would be put off by having to walk that far.

That's not going to happen... they'd have to tear down the oldest building in the city for that (Kaiser Building) and it's got historical building protection.

I wish the Mayflower would go back to being a hotel like it was originally. That place used to be a staple for Akron visitors.

Wow never heard that one before, did you think of that all by yourself?And yes, the neighborhood was there on the south side of Exchange, albeit smaller. That was before Wolf Ledge was filled in so there was a ravine about halfway between Exchange and where the expressway is now.The off-campus housing need was taken up by the neighborhood, but first, that wasn't all new construction- there was plenty of existing housing that was converted. Second, that was between Carroll and Exchange. Middlebury was a village predating Akron. When Akron became a city in the 1820s Middlebury and the land in between were all included. Also, by the time the U actually reached the current neighborhood we're talking about (1960s), most of current Akron was already built.I used the Summit County online tax map to look up the ages of some of the buildings in the neighborhood. I found a house from 1869 at the corner of Sherman and Wheeler. The plasma center was built in two halves- the part right at the corner was 1929 and the one-story part was 1951 (of course, it wasn't a plasma center that far back). The house behind the center on Brown is from 1919, the one next to it is from 1884. House at Brown and Wheeler, 1884. Odd Corner, 1920. Big white storefront at Allyn and Exchange, 1900. Storefronts between Allyn and Kling, 1920s-30s. Most of the rest of the neighborhood is 1890s to 19-teens. This stuff was on Exchange long before the U was.You can get to the maps by going here: ClickClick "Tax Maps" on the right side. This won't work in Firefox, you'll need IE.There was a building project in the 1960s near Grant and Wheeler; that's when Washington St. became Wolf Ledges Parkway. You can see it on the aerial photos in Arts & Sciences. Therefore, there's a decent bit of newer construction there that replaced a lot of older buildings. BTW, you can also see how the U expanded, notice the houses between Exchange and Carroll before the 60s.

Yes, the neighborhood predates the U. (There are newer and older houses, of course, demolitions do occur) Buchtel College was built on the site of a former cemetery, and the houses around were all there. Also, you need to keep in mind that the University didn't cross Carroll or Sumner Streets until the mid 1960s expansion, which built Auburn, the Schranks, and the athletic fields. During the 50s, there was a neighborhood full of homes between Carroll and Exchange.John Buchtel was a local businessman who owned a company called "Buckeye Mower and Reaper Company", and he decided to start a municipal college. The Buckeye Works, as his factory was called, stood where the law building is now. There's a really good picture that's in local history books, but I can't find online, that was taken near the present Buckingham Building, with the Buckeye Works in the foreground, Buchtel College on top of the hill (the 1870-1897 big Buchtel Hall that burnt to cinders) and the neighborhood surrounding it.I'm a local historian BTW. I'm not being high and mighty, that's what everybody calls it. I already said I was selling it; I don't mind admitting that. Of course it's selling. That's why people go there. But don't forget that the product still goes toward vaccines, infusion, medications, etc. No they don't use it for lotions like someone in that group said. Dumbest thing I've ever heard... like the FDA would allow human products in lotion...

The neighborhood was there first. The U can adapt to it.So you won't go by it, yet you know it's horrible... right... well if your intuition says stay away then do so, but stop acting like you've been around the place, because you haven't.There's that capitalizing "seller" again. It obviously makes you squeamish. You might as well stop pretending to have the students' well-being in mind. If you don't like the idea of people selling plasma, stay on the other side of campus.BTW, I went past today and there wasn't anybody outside. That was at about 4:30 PM; obviously it might change during the day.

Actually I think the PA didn't take up the whole building, and later expanded, but it was still in that general spot.

They'd have to get a blight designation, and a law was passed fairly recently that makes it difficult to legally declare an area blighted, so I doubt it. I'm sure they've had offers on it already. That would be a prime location for another gas station to compete for the students' money.Plasma Alliance was the name the center used until the mid 1990s, it was in the same spot. Here's a story about it from 1988: ClickPretty sure that would require the VPN. The parent company had some mergers so it went through name changes, but it's still under the same management. I've been told there was a blood bank there before it was Plasma Alliance, but I don't know when that would have been.

That doesn't occur, there are a few students in there. It's more than $12 thankfully.

You know I think I figured this one out. I expect that your friend has been donating less than a year. He came in clean, took his physical, and now he's lighting up. We'll see if they let him donate after that next physical.And to be fair, sometimes people do manage to beat urine tests.Of course, as I've always said, if you actually went there, to the center, you would see two things. First, if you signed up to be a donor, you'd be given the little cup. (Actually, you wouldn't have to sign up, just go in the restroom, there are signs up reminding you about the test.) Also, you would see that the donor population does not resemble a group of druggies. A couple come in here or there, but not many. (Actually, a lot of the stoner looking types are looking for buddies that are donating. You see more of them outside because it gets crowded sometimes and people tend not to hang around inside if they don't have to.) Here's what's wrong with this. There aren't panhandlers hanging around the center. I have not been asked for money there. I have on campus, though. Also, I've never heard of a panhandler saying it's for drugs. They tend to lie.I would bet that you've never actually been on that corner.

The moving isn't a problem, it's that all of this stuff that's supposedly wrong with the center is just a load of crap. They shouldn't have to move because somebody can't deal with it being there.

I'll just go bit by bit here. I doubt 80% of students have heard of it. I first started going there because I saw a commercial on TV and looked up its location (yes, they ran ads back when it was Aventis Bio). If you think 80% of students think that way then start a real poll and find out. You should have figured out already I don't give crap one about poll results from polls that don't exist. The people out front of the center are donors who are smoking. We're in there for about four hours, and smokers don't often last that long. Yes, the security does remove homeless people that come around- once I saw a homeless guy come in to use the restroom, and I guess he'd been in and out earlier that day. The security guard dragged him out.I haven't had anyone ask me for money outside the center. I have at the gas station, on the third floor of Bierce Library, and on Carroll Commons. They hang around the university. You can also find them downtown. This is a city. Cities have panhandlers. You seem unable to cope with the fact that the university is in a city. Just because you don't like what central Akron looks like doesn't mean you can destroy it and run out everyone living in it. It's ironic that you should tell me to go to Can't, because I think Can't is more your thing- a campus that is totally cut off from the outside world. University Park isn't going to cut out that large of a portion of the neighborhood. Besides, quite a few people take the bus or even drive (*gasp* we can afford cars!).And hey- you're contradicting yourself. I thought the center drew the undesirables from all over the city. Now it's only from the neighborhood by the center?And no, again, none of the projects in that area are going to hit the center. I think a lot of proponents of the stadium, University Park, etc. are pretty bothered that those projects don't make it over there. Don't believe you for a second. Part of donating there is taking physical. This must be done once per year including before your first donation. It's a urine test and a needle mark inspection. Then, your arms are inspected for needle marks every time you donate. If you don't believe me go sign up to be a donor. You keep saying what it looks like, without actually going there. Geez, just actually go there and see the place. Yes. If I really had to classify the people in there, the largest group are people in their late 20s to early 40s, all races, that have low paying, blue collar jobs, and need the extra cash. It's not uncommon to see a lot of people in work uniforms from restaurants, mechanic's shops, etc. And stop trying to demoralize it by saying "sell" rather than "donate". Yeah it's selling; I don't care what you call it. You're just proving that the center makes you squeamish. That's why you're lying to try to run it out. Nice try; nobody cares. I'd rather have nobody in it that have sent out 500 invites. That's where your people came from. You did a mass invite campaign and it was enough to get your group in the "popular Akron groups" listing for a few days. That's where I saw it. That's like robbing a bank and then laughing at somebody for not having any money. I most certainly could have used that invite tool on everbody and their uncle but I have a little self respect and respect for my cause... something you obviously don't have.I'm actually laughing at your string of posts here. You started by trying to sound genuinely concerned. And you subsequently destroyed that. Based on all of this plus the comment about the Mayflower, I know what your angle is. You're white-bread. You're a yuppie, and you can't deal with people that don't have endless money flowing everywhere. The people in Akron, and indeed, the world, aren't all wearing the nicest clothes and driving the nicest cars. There actually are poor people that didn't get that way by being drug addicts. I know, shocking. Maybe even blasphemous. Sorry to destroy the perfect world thing you had going, but one of these days, you're going to have to open your eyes and see what's really around you.And BTW, I am not a hippie. Don't let the long hair fool you. It is indeed possible to be open minded without being a tree hugger. I know that's also a foreign concept, but I'm hoping it will sink in with time.

BTW, counter group: Akron people need to shut up about moving the plasma center

Not true. This statement shows you have done absolutely no research on the center. One phone call would tell you that drug testing is mandatory for all donors.Your group is a fallacy. You've posted information on it that is blatantly untrue. People told you it was untrue, and you ignored them. You're intentionally spreading lies. Further, you created the group and promptly sent about 500 invites. You probably have people in that group that had never even heard of the place before they found your invite in their inbox. This isn't a move to get rid of a legitimate safety hazard- you picked a business, made up a bunch of false problems that it isn't creating, and then set out to convince others that what you say is right.You also need to face the fact that the center has been there for something around 30-40 years, and it's not going to move because you complain about it. You could go ahead and lead a protest, show up with picket signs, and all you will accomplish is to give the donors some amusement.All you'd have to do is go into the center and you'll see that it's nothing like you say it is. Oh but I know, there is some reason you wouldn't do that- "It's not safe" "I'll get mugged" "I feel threatened"Despite the security that is on staff behind the front desk.