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I am as pissed as anyone BUT I am failing to understand why the NCAA would have any bias for NW - There is no attendance bump, Akron Soccer is much more prestigious than NW, we have higher profile players and a much better soccer pedigree. I could understand if this was football and there was a 50K+ bump in attendance and increased interest but that is not the case here. I want to be pissed at someone but I am not so sure it is the NCAA................I just hope Caleb stays.

OSU and NW are in the same conference. OSU was pissed that they had to play here, and wait an extra day because of the weather (almost identical scenario to the WVU game a few years ago). OSU lobbied the Big Ten to do whatever they could to punish us for having the insolence to beat them at a high school field. Big Ten whispers into somebody's ear at the NCAA, who then changes the game site prematurely while conveniently taking off a few days for Thanksgiving. Sound far-fetched? Some people have the idea that this is what happened. I don't think that was it at all.I say this was an inside job by a guy with a grudge or an OSU fan that just happens to work in UA athletics. We were sold out on the trip to OSU at the end of the season. Somebody warned them that we were bringing busloads of fans, because that somebody severely dislikes either the fact that we have better fan support or dislikes somebody who is in charge of creating fan support. Well, we won despite that. Then it happens again - UA plays OSU, this time at home, and we make them look bad on the field and in the stands. This somebody is even angrier, and decides to screw over Akron, so he makes a call. Then the NCAA is more than happy to move the game to Chicago under the pretense of "player safety".Whoever it was that works at UA and decided that our field would be unplayable four days in advance, without consulting Mack Rhoades or Caleb Porter who were both conveniently located off campus at SVSM at the time, needs to be fired.

Thanks for saving me the time to make the same point. A complete inside job by a UA employee who was pissed his Luckeyes got beat. And my two Buckeye friends on the board wonder why I despise them. Until we have some true-blue and gold UA fans ..students, alumni and workers, it will always be an uphill climb.

[Zippysgotagun]

I am as pissed as anyone BUT I am failing to understand why the NCAA would have any bias for NW - There is no attendance bump, Akron Soccer is much more prestigious than NW, we have higher profile players and a much better soccer pedigree. I could understand if this was football and there was a 50K+ bump in attendance and increased interest but that is not the case here. I want to be pissed at someone but I am not so sure it is the NCAA................I just hope Caleb stays.

OSU and NW are in the same conference. OSU was pissed that they had to play here, and wait an extra day because of the weather (almost identical scenario to the WVU game a few years ago). OSU lobbied the Big Ten to do whatever they could to punish us for having the insolence to beat them at a high school field. Big Ten whispers into somebody's ear at the NCAA, who then changes the game site prematurely while conveniently taking off a few days for Thanksgiving. Sound far-fetched? Some people have the idea that this is what happened. I don't think that was it at all.I say this was an inside job by a guy with a grudge or an OSU fan that just happens to work in UA athletics. We were sold out on the trip to OSU at the end of the season. Somebody warned them that we were bringing busloads of fans, because that somebody severely dislikes either the fact that we have better fan support or dislikes somebody who is in charge of creating fan support. Well, we won despite that. Then it happens again - UA plays OSU, this time at home, and we make them look bad on the field and in the stands. This somebody is even angrier, and decides to screw over Akron, so he makes a call. Then the NCAA is more than happy to move the game to Chicago under the pretense of "player safety".Whoever it was that works at UA and decided that our field would be unplayable four days in advance, without consulting Mack Rhoades or Caleb Porter who were both conveniently located off campus at SVSM at the time, needs to be fired.

OK...we've hit a new low for Buckeye hating here. I can understand some animosity because they steal our football/basketball thunder, but please tell me you are being sarcastic here. To blame Ohio State for this game being moved is absolutely ludicrous. I could maybe understand the B10 conference...maybe. The NCAA made this decision. Not our athletic dept., not Northwestern's Athletic dept, and certainly not the athletic dept of a school who isn't even directly involved. The conspiracy theories flying around here are getting almost as obnoxious as the "Fire JD" posts. Paging dead horse...I'm just as pissed about it as anyone else, but pointing fingers at half of the F***ing country isn't gonna fix it. It sucks, but no matter who is responsible, it's done. We'll come back next year with another monster recruiting class and do better.

[ZachTheZip]

OK...we've hit a new low for Buckeye hating here. I can understand some animosity because they steal our football/basketball thunder, but please tell me you are being sarcastic here. To blame Ohio State for this game being moved is absolutely ludicrous. I could maybe understand the B10 conference...maybe. The NCAA made this decision. Not our athletic dept., not Northwestern's Athletic dept, and certainly not the athletic dept of a school who isn't even directly involved. The conspiracy theories flying around here are getting almost as obnoxious as the "Fire JD" posts. Paging dead horse...I'm just as pissed about it as anyone else, but pointing fingers at half of the F***ing country isn't gonna fix it. It sucks, but no matter who is responsible, it's done. We'll come back next year with another monster recruiting class and do better.

I'm not pointing the finger at OSU. I said I don't think they did anything. I do think that a person who has previously shown to be willing to sell out Akron to a Big Ten school is likely responsible for this mess.

[Zippysgotagun]

OK...we've hit a new low for Buckeye hating here. I can understand some animosity because they steal our football/basketball thunder, but please tell me you are being sarcastic here. To blame Ohio State for this game being moved is absolutely ludicrous. I could maybe understand the B10 conference...maybe. The NCAA made this decision. Not our athletic dept., not Northwestern's Athletic dept, and certainly not the athletic dept of a school who isn't even directly involved. The conspiracy theories flying around here are getting almost as obnoxious as the "Fire JD" posts. Paging dead horse...I'm just as pissed about it as anyone else, but pointing fingers at half of the F***ing country isn't gonna fix it. It sucks, but no matter who is responsible, it's done. We'll come back next year with another monster recruiting class and do better.

I'm not pointing the finger at OSU. I said I don't think they did anything. I do think that a person who has previously shown to be willing to sell out Akron to a Big Ten school is likely responsible for this mess.

Having re-read your post a bit more carefully, I see that you say others think that way. In which case, you aren't quite so crazy as I originally thought I stand by my comments, however, that anyone who does think that way ought to have their head examined.

[UAZipster0305]

I am as pissed as anyone BUT I am failing to understand why the NCAA would have any bias for NW - There is no attendance bump, Akron Soccer is much more prestigious than NW, we have higher profile players and a much better soccer pedigree. I could understand if this was football and there was a 50K+ bump in attendance and increased interest but that is not the case here. I want to be pissed at someone but I am not so sure it is the NCAA................I just hope Caleb stays.

OSU and NW are in the same conference. OSU was pissed that they had to play here, and wait an extra day because of the weather (almost identical scenario to the WVU game a few years ago). OSU lobbied the Big Ten to do whatever they could to punish us for having the insolence to beat them at a high school field. Big Ten whispers into somebody's ear at the NCAA, who then changes the game site prematurely while conveniently taking off a few days for Thanksgiving. Sound far-fetched? Some people have the idea that this is what happened. I don't think that was it at all.I say this was an inside job by a guy with a grudge or an OSU fan that just happens to work in UA athletics. We were sold out on the trip to OSU at the end of the season. Somebody warned them that we were bringing busloads of fans, because that somebody severely dislikes either the fact that we have better fan support or dislikes somebody who is in charge of creating fan support. Well, we won despite that. Then it happens again - UA plays OSU, this time at home, and we make them look bad on the field and in the stands. This somebody is even angrier, and decides to screw over Akron, so he makes a call. Then the NCAA is more than happy to move the game to Chicago under the pretense of "player safety".Whoever it was that works at UA and decided that our field would be unplayable four days in advance, without consulting Mack Rhoades or Caleb Porter who were both conveniently located off campus at SVSM at the time, needs to be fired.

I fully endorse this theory. What a sham and what a shame!While I'm saddened by the outcome, at least the rest of the team, Coach Porter, and the program will live to fight another day. The ones I truly feel for are the seniors who have to end stellar careers on such a low and unjust note. Here's to good luck with the MLS for Bush and Tutich!

[ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net]

you're absolutely right seetee, not only are we being screwed by the ncaa, but they've somehow planted some of their own into our highest positions of the athletic administration . heck! mack not only told northwestern to take the game off his hands, but probably offered them a 5 goal head start cause he wants to see his teams lose. why was he pacing the sidelines in football all season? probably whispering the play calling he wanted into jd's ear to guarantee the losses. sound far fetched? so is your presumption that nobody fought the decision. even if they know who might have slipped something to the ncaa, it would be unprofessional to call them out publicly like that. And the point of stories and articles are not to "flesh things out", rather to provide the writer's interpretation or slant on a story of their choosing. You go to gozips.com and the worst thing you will see on there is a poor stat line. Depending on the newspaper, questionable recruits are depicted from good kid who needs a second chance to bad apple and future criminal. and you missed my point about being an athlete (big surprise there ). when the man in charge has the final say, no amount of discussion or incoherent bitching will change that. it sucks. move on. it also happened with men's b-ball and their 26 win season. there is nothing this past weekend that would have changed that decision, but this situation can be the fuel to make the changes necessary to see that it doesn't happen again. here's how i read it:

UA Athletic Director Mack Rhoades said he was ''incredibly disappointed in the way the NCAA handled this and the way this decision was made.''

we got screwed over

''I think we deserved the opportunity to respond and do the best we could to get our field ready to play,''

this isn't fair

Rhoades said. ''I don't think we were given that opportunity.

they didn't give us the chance or even listen to us

''I don't think one or two members of the Men's Soccer Committee should make that decision on their own, as well.''

there might have been ulterior motives of the committee, but we won't officially come forth with that accusation

Said Keller, who insisted it was not a UA vs. NCAA issue: ''I had two different sources at the university saying it would not be ready. I have pictures of the field.''

cover my ass, it's not my fault (sidenote - sources could be anyone athletic or non-athletic related)

Rhoades said the Zips were not given the option of finding another venue — such as St. V-M or even the Rubber Bowl. Instead, the NCAA decreed the work could not be done, the game would be moved — per its rules.

again, not fair, not listened too, game moved, final word, the end.

''I don't think the NCAA should dictate who wins championships,'' Rhoades said. ''I think student-athletes and coaches should.''

f*ck the ncaa i'm pissed

Rhoades will ask the NCAA to reconsider how these decisions are made,

point out to them how they f*cked up

but he knows as well as anyone that the shame of the situation is that it ends a stellar season for UA soccer on a very down note.

no matter what comes out of this it won't change our loss AT northwestern that ended the season.

The bottom line for you appears to be that we got screwed, aw shucks, it sure does suck, but it's over and let's move on. Answer to that thought process: no. As a fan, I for one WANT to know just exactly who in the department or grounds crew told the NCAA the field would not be playable? Did McManamon ask that simple question? Did anyone whose job it is to report for a living get D'Ann Keller on the phone for another interview to ask that question? Not that I can see. Did Mack make calls to determine whether Keller could be overruled? Did anyone in the administration at UA try to get the decision reversed? You don't know anymore than I do the answers to these questions, which should be simple answers for the Leaking Urinal reporter to obtain, and you apparently don't care. I don't know why you are so resigned to getting screwed without answers. If you don't care or don't think we could have gotten answers, fine. Then get off the train and stop responding to posts wherein people are asking such questions. We sure as hell don't need someone like you telling us that somehow we shouldn't be asking them. GO ZIPS!SeeTeeZip

[RootforRoo44]

The bottom line for you appears to be that we got screwed, aw shucks, it sure does suck, but it's over and let's move on. Answer to that thought process: no. As a fan, I for one WANT to know just exactly who in the department or grounds crew told the NCAA the field would not be playable? Did McManamon ask that simple question? Did anyone whose job it is to report for a living get D'Ann Keller on the phone for another interview to ask that question? Not that I can see. Did Mack make calls to determine whether Keller could be overruled? Did anyone in the administration at UA try to get the decision reversed? You don't know anymore than I do the answers to these questions, which should be simple answers for the Leaking Urinal reporter to obtain, and you apparently don't care. I don't know why you are so resigned to getting screwed without answers. If you don't care or don't think we could have gotten answers, fine. Then get off the train and stop responding to posts wherein people are asking such questions. We sure as hell don't need someone like you telling us that somehow we shouldn't be asking them. GO ZIPS!SeeTeeZip

NO moving on until we get answers, this cannot happen again.

[zippyrifle32]

The bottom line for you appears to be that we got screwed, aw shucks, it sure does suck, but it's over and let's move on. Answer to that thought process: no. As a fan, I for one WANT to know just exactly who in the department or grounds crew told the NCAA the field would not be playable? Did McManamon ask that simple question? Did anyone whose job it is to report for a living get D'Ann Keller on the phone for another interview to ask that question? Not that I can see. Did Mack make calls to determine whether Keller could be overruled? Did anyone in the administration at UA try to get the decision reversed? You don't know anymore than I do the answers to these questions, which should be simple answers for the Leaking Urinal reporter to obtain, and you apparently don't care. I don't know why you are so resigned to getting screwed without answers. If you don't care or don't think we could have gotten answers, fine. Then get off the train and stop responding to posts wherein people are asking such questions. We sure as hell don't need someone like you telling us that somehow we shouldn't be asking them. GO ZIPS!SeeTeeZip

The school needs to find those answers out, yet because they aren't involving you in case you accuse them of doing nothing. I am saying you're wrong for making the accusation that the director of athletics would care so little for his teams. I am also saying that the Zips have a better chance of winning the BCS Championship than you finding out who might have incorrectly leaked something (if that was even what happened). Maybe you should write a little note to the ABJ fully explaining to the journalists how they should have done their job as you did to me above. NOTHING can be done NOW that can make that game replayed here at Akron or even make it right. Be pissed add it to the growing list of times we've gotten screwed. Hell, prove me wrong and post out here when you've finished the witch hunt. It about more than just moving on. The only thing that can come out of this is an assurance that things will change and it won't happen again. Mack has already made this assurance that he is going to do what he can.

[ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net]

The bottom line for you appears to be that we got screwed, aw shucks, it sure does suck, but it's over and let's move on. Answer to that thought process: no. As a fan, I for one WANT to know just exactly who in the department or grounds crew told the NCAA the field would not be playable? Did McManamon ask that simple question? Did anyone whose job it is to report for a living get D'Ann Keller on the phone for another interview to ask that question? Not that I can see. Did Mack make calls to determine whether Keller could be overruled? Did anyone in the administration at UA try to get the decision reversed? You don't know anymore than I do the answers to these questions, which should be simple answers for the Leaking Urinal reporter to obtain, and you apparently don't care. I don't know why you are so resigned to getting screwed without answers. If you don't care or don't think we could have gotten answers, fine. Then get off the train and stop responding to posts wherein people are asking such questions. We sure as hell don't need someone like you telling us that somehow we shouldn't be asking them. GO ZIPS!SeeTeeZip

The school needs to find those answers out, yet because they aren't involving you in case you accuse them of doing nothing. I am saying you're wrong for making the accusation that the director of athletics would care so little for his teams. I am also saying that the Zips have a better chance of winning the BCS Championship than you finding out who might have incorrectly leaked something (if that was even what happened). Maybe you should write a little note to the ABJ fully explaining to the journalists how they should have done their job as you did to me above. NOTHING can be done NOW that can make that game replayed here at Akron or even make it right. Be pissed add it to the growing list of times we've gotten screwed. Hell, prove me wrong and post out here when you've finished the witch hunt. It about more than just moving on. The only thing that can come out of this is an assurance that things will change and it won't happen again. Mack has already made this assurance that he is going to do what he can.

You wanted the last word, but you aren't getting the last word rifle. You can care not, but don't ask for any of the rest of us to take the same approach as you. Not all of us can be as sage and wise as you. Move on, by all means. :bow: :bow: :bow: STZ

[zippyrifle32]

you stay classy seetee

[tbozeglav]

last wordI had to... lol

[Zippysgotagun]

The bottom line for you appears to be that we got screwed, aw shucks, it sure does suck, but it's over and let's move on. Answer to that thought process: no. As a fan, I for one WANT to know just exactly who in the department or grounds crew told the NCAA the field would not be playable? Did McManamon ask that simple question? Did anyone whose job it is to report for a living get D'Ann Keller on the phone for another interview to ask that question? Not that I can see. Did Mack make calls to determine whether Keller could be overruled? Did anyone in the administration at UA try to get the decision reversed? You don't know anymore than I do the answers to these questions, which should be simple answers for the Leaking Urinal reporter to obtain, and you apparently don't care. I don't know why you are so resigned to getting screwed without answers. If you don't care or don't think we could have gotten answers, fine. Then get off the train and stop responding to posts wherein people are asking such questions. We sure as hell don't need someone like you telling us that somehow we shouldn't be asking them. GO ZIPS!SeeTeeZip

The school needs to find those answers out, yet because they aren't involving you in case you accuse them of doing nothing. I am saying you're wrong for making the accusation that the director of athletics would care so little for his teams. I am also saying that the Zips have a better chance of winning the BCS Championship than you finding out who might have incorrectly leaked something (if that was even what happened). Maybe you should write a little note to the ABJ fully explaining to the journalists how they should have done their job as you did to me above. NOTHING can be done NOW that can make that game replayed here at Akron or even make it right. Be pissed add it to the growing list of times we've gotten screwed. Hell, prove me wrong and post out here when you've finished the witch hunt. It about more than just moving on. The only thing that can come out of this is an assurance that things will change and it won't happen again. Mack has already made this assurance that he is going to do what he can.

You wanted the last word, but you aren't getting the last word rifle. You can care not, but don't ask for any of the rest of us to take the same approach as you. Not all of us can be as sage and wise as you. Move on, by all means. :bow: :bow: :bow: STZ

FWIW...I don't think I ever saw or felt that she doesn't care. She just knows, like I do, that there's really zero we can do about it. I was really pissed at first too, but now, there's no point in getting so worked up over it. My blood pressure is a little more important to me than worrying about whose fault it is that UA got screwed again.

[ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net]

The bottom line for you appears to be that we got screwed, aw shucks, it sure does suck, but it's over and let's move on. Answer to that thought process: no. As a fan, I for one WANT to know just exactly who in the department or grounds crew told the NCAA the field would not be playable? Did McManamon ask that simple question? Did anyone whose job it is to report for a living get D'Ann Keller on the phone for another interview to ask that question? Not that I can see. Did Mack make calls to determine whether Keller could be overruled? Did anyone in the administration at UA try to get the decision reversed? You don't know anymore than I do the answers to these questions, which should be simple answers for the Leaking Urinal reporter to obtain, and you apparently don't care. I don't know why you are so resigned to getting screwed without answers. If you don't care or don't think we could have gotten answers, fine. Then get off the train and stop responding to posts wherein people are asking such questions. We sure as hell don't need someone like you telling us that somehow we shouldn't be asking them. GO ZIPS!SeeTeeZip

The school needs to find those answers out, yet because they aren't involving you in case you accuse them of doing nothing. I am saying you're wrong for making the accusation that the director of athletics would care so little for his teams. I am also saying that the Zips have a better chance of winning the BCS Championship than you finding out who might have incorrectly leaked something (if that was even what happened). Maybe you should write a little note to the ABJ fully explaining to the journalists how they should have done their job as you did to me above. NOTHING can be done NOW that can make that game replayed here at Akron or even make it right. Be pissed add it to the growing list of times we've gotten screwed. Hell, prove me wrong and post out here when you've finished the witch hunt. It about more than just moving on. The only thing that can come out of this is an assurance that things will change and it won't happen again. Mack has already made this assurance that he is going to do what he can.

You wanted the last word, but you aren't getting the last word rifle. You can care not, but don't ask for any of the rest of us to take the same approach as you. Not all of us can be as sage and wise as you. Move on, by all means. :bow: :bow: :bow: STZ

FWIW...I don't think I ever saw or felt that she doesn't care. She just knows, like I do, that there's really zero we can do about it. I was really pissed at first too, but now, there's no point in getting so worked up over it. My blood pressure is a little more important to me than worrying about whose fault it is that UA got screwed again.

Well I'm an old fart, health and reasonable outlook be damned. I want someone to pay for what happened. OK, maybe not pay, but damn it I want to know what the hell happened, who did what, who was fighting for the team and fans. McManamon, go dig up some more dirt. That's your role in society. DO IT.STZP.S.-Last Word. Infinity, freaks.

[w00t]

I'm still too bummed out from the loss to whine about getting hosed by the govnerning body that's supposed to protect us. :(Oh, and...Last word, quitsies! Anti-quitsies, last word, quitsies, no anti-quitsies, no startsies! You can't do that! Can too! Cannot, stamp it! Can too, double stamp it, no erasies! Cannot, triple stamp, no erasies, Touch blue make it true. No, you can't do that... you can't triple stamp a double stamp, you can't triple stamp a double stamp!!

[ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net]

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