Thewatcher Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 ok, for anyone that does not have a clear understanding of college athletics and the level in which Akron is at understand these points --we will not get Tressel --- or any other crazy named coach you come up with. We do not want Fickel--- Why- we want someone who has succeeded with less! Fickel will take a step down with talent, salary (nearly 1/2 million) budget and total tools and resources at his disposal. Simply put, Find a Head coach from a lower level conference or division that has a PROVEN winning track record (more then 1 season)...... This person needs to be from place with less resources then we have here and has proven their success. If that person is given the resources here at Akron (salary, staff numbers, equip. FACILITIES) they will flourish!!!!!!! This is what Akron needs to turn the corner and move in the correct direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 So you want Paul Winters. Got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbozeglav Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 this thread just decided it for me: I will be avoiding this forum and relying on my friends on twitter and facebook to keep me updated on the coaching search until we have selected one. I am SICK AND TIRED of the JT/PW bandwagoners flooding the forums with their nonsense. Ill just keep the faith we'll hire someone good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 this thread just decided it for me: I will be avoiding this forum and relying on my friends on twitter and facebook to keep me updated on the coaching search until we have selected one. I am SICK AND TIRED of the JT/PW bandwagoners flooding the forums with their nonsense. Ill just keep the faith we'll hire someone good. Who would you like to see interviewed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoZips Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 this thread just decided it for me: I will be avoiding this forum and relying on my friends on twitter and facebook to keep me updated on the coaching search until we have selected one. I am SICK AND TIRED of the JT/PW bandwagoners flooding the forums with their nonsense. Ill just keep the faith we'll hire someone good. Please define some one "good". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbozeglav Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 this thread just decided it for me: I will be avoiding this forum and relying on my friends on twitter and facebook to keep me updated on the coaching search until we have selected one. I am SICK AND TIRED of the JT/PW bandwagoners flooding the forums with their nonsense. Ill just keep the faith we'll hire someone good. Who would you like to see interviewed? ANYONE who is a proven winner with at least 5 years of HC experience at FBS/FCS levels. Thats who I am looking for. I am just tired of every thread being either JT/PW. Let see some other good candidates broken down like these guys have. Luke is one we've already looked at 2 years ago.. I dont think he's leaving that program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 I say we go after John Madden. No money, he doesn't need any. Just the challenge of making the worst team in Div I into a winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiroad1 Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 Okay, the blind "hire Winters" post are getting me to a point where they are turning me away from the guy. We had an emotional hire two years ago. Why would we want to do it again without a thorough look at all qualified candidates. I went to Akron when Paul Winters was playing. He's a great guy, and his record would indicate he has become a very good coach. However, why in the world would we not want to keep an open mind through this search. I can think of a couple of things that give me pause regarding Winters, but not that would keep me from embracing him if he is selected. He is one of several qualified candidates that need to be investigating. Some of you are beginning to remind me of people who voted for the phrase "hope and change" without asking what it meant. The University of Akron needs to do a thorough search. If the man is Winters, great. But not by default!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbozeglav Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 Okay, the blind "hire Winters" post are getting me to a point where they are turning me away from the guy. We had an emotional hire two years ago. Why would we want to do it again without a thorough look at all qualified candidates. I went to Akron when Paul Winters was playing. He's a great guy, and his record would indicate he has become a very good coach. However, why in the world would we not want to keep an open mind through this search. I can think of a couple of things that give me pause regarding Winters, but not that would keep me from embracing him if he is selected. He is one of several qualified candidates that need to be investigating. Some of you are beginning to remind me of people who voted for the phrase "hope and change" without asking what it meant. The University of Akron needs to do a thorough search. If the man is Winters, great. But not by default!!!!!!!!! thank you. exactly what i am thinking (sans the seeing him play - im too young for that haha) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 Okay, the blind "hire Winters" post are getting me to a point where they are turning me away from the guy. We had an emotional hire two years ago. Why would we want to do it again without a thorough look at all qualified candidates. I went to Akron when Paul Winters was playing. He's a great guy, and his record would indicate he has become a very good coach. However, why in the world would we not want to keep an open mind through this search. I can think of a couple of things that give me pause regarding Winters, but not that would keep me from embracing him if he is selected. He is one of several qualified candidates that need to be investigating. Some of you are beginning to remind me of people who voted for the phrase "hope and change" without asking what it meant. The University of Akron needs to do a thorough search. If the man is Winters, great. But not by default!!!!!!!!! I certainly agree that the search should be thorough, but am interested in the negatives regarding Winters. What are the things that give you pause? It's all speculation and advocacy amongst fans at this point, so I'd like to know what the perceived strengths and weaknesses of potential candidates might be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiroad1 Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 Okay, the blind "hire Winters" post are getting me to a point where they are turning me away from the guy. We had an emotional hire two years ago. Why would we want to do it again without a thorough look at all qualified candidates. I went to Akron when Paul Winters was playing. He's a great guy, and his record would indicate he has become a very good coach. However, why in the world would we not want to keep an open mind through this search. I can think of a couple of things that give me pause regarding Winters, but not that would keep me from embracing him if he is selected. He is one of several qualified candidates that need to be investigating. Some of you are beginning to remind me of people who voted for the phrase "hope and change" without asking what it meant. The University of Akron needs to do a thorough search. If the man is Winters, great. But not by default!!!!!!!!!hat I certainly agree that the search should be thorough, but am interested in the negatives regarding Winters. What are the things that give you pause? It's all speculation and advocacy amongst fans at this point, so I'd like to know what the perceived strengths and weaknesses of potential candidates might be. Keep in mind, I said things that give me pause. Not things that are show stoppers. Mostly, that he is running a smaller program without some of the complexities of a D1 program. Wistrcill thought Ianello could run the program, but he was overhelmed. It's not fair to compare Winters to Ianello (for many reasons) because he already has head coaching experience. But the point is that a D1 program can be complex, and it would clealy be bigger that what Winters has done to date. Not saying he can't do it, but it is a mild concern. Also, Akron can't just recruit locally. They MUST recruit out of state effectively if we are to get the athletes we need to be competitive. How much expericne does Winters have competing at that level, and against the likes of not just the MAC, but at times the Big East or even the Big 10? I am absolutley not saying Winters is a bad choice, but he does not walk on water. Let's give the selection committee a chance to do their work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 Okay, the blind "hire Winters" post are getting me to a point where they are turning me away from the guy. We had an emotional hire two years ago. Why would we want to do it again without a thorough look at all qualified candidates. I went to Akron when Paul Winters was playing. He's a great guy, and his record would indicate he has become a very good coach. However, why in the world would we not want to keep an open mind through this search. I can think of a couple of things that give me pause regarding Winters, but not that would keep me from embracing him if he is selected. He is one of several qualified candidates that need to be investigating. Some of you are beginning to remind me of people who voted for the phrase "hope and change" without asking what it meant. The University of Akron needs to do a thorough search. If the man is Winters, great. But not by default!!!!!!!!!hat I certainly agree that the search should be thorough, but am interested in the negatives regarding Winters. What are the things that give you pause? It's all speculation and advocacy amongst fans at this point, so I'd like to know what the perceived strengths and weaknesses of potential candidates might be. Keep in mind, I said things that give me pause. Not things that are show stoppers. Mostly, that he is running a smaller program without some of the complexities of a D1 program. Wistrcill thought Ianello could run the program, but he was overhelmed. It's not fair to compare Winters to Ianello (for many reasons) because he already has head coaching experience. But the point is that a D1 program can be complex, and it would clealy be bigger that what Winters has done to date. Not saying he can't do it, but it is a mild concern. Also, Akron can't just recruit locally. They MUST recruit out of state effectively if we are to get the athletes we need to be competitive. How much expericne does Winters have competing at that level, and against the likes of not just the MAC, but at times the Big East or even the Big 10? I am absolutley not saying Winters is a bad choice, but he does not walk on water. Let's give the selection committee a chance to do their work. Fair enough. I cannot disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattydark Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 Some of you are beginning to remind me of people who voted for the phrase "hope and change" without asking what it meant. Oy. This does not add to the discussion, nor is it much of a "hiroad". This looks more like a disguised anti-Winters post, than a plea for open minds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiroad1 Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 Okay, the blind "hire Winters" post are getting me to a point where they are turning me away from the guy. We had an emotional hire two years ago. Why would we want to do it again without a thorough look at all qualified candidates. I went to Akron when Paul Winters was playing. He's a great guy, and his record would indicate he has become a very good coach. However, why in the world would we not want to keep an open mind through this search. I can think of a couple of things that give me pause regarding Winters, but not that would keep me from embracing him if he is selected. He is one of several qualified candidates that need to be investigating. Some of you are beginning to remind me of people who voted for the phrase "hope and change" without asking what it meant. The University of Akron needs to do a thorough search. If the man is Winters, great. But not by default!!!!!!!!!hat I certainly agree that the search should be thorough, but am interested in the negatives regarding Winters. What are the things that give you pause? It's all speculation and advocacy amongst fans at this point, so I'd like to know what the perceived strengths and weaknesses of potential candidates might be. Keep in mind, I said things that give me pause. Not things that are show stoppers. Mostly, that he is running a smaller program without some of the complexities of a D1 program. Wistrcill thought Ianello could run the program, but he was overhelmed. It's not fair to compare Winters to Ianello (for many reasons) because he already has head coaching experience. But the point is that a D1 program can be complex, and it would clealy be bigger that what Winters has done to date. Not saying he can't do it, but it is a mild concern. Also, Akron can't just recruit locally. They MUST recruit out of state effectively if we are to get the athletes we need to be competitive. How much expericne does Winters have competing at that level, and against the likes of not just the MAC, but at times the Big East or even the Big 10? I am absolutley not saying Winters is a bad choice, but he does not walk on water. Let's give the selection committee a chance to do their work. Fair enough. I cannot disagree. BTW, while I think someone like Fickel might bring the administrative experience of a big program and recruiting experience at a higher level, I think it is possible that Paul Winters might be the better x and o guy when it comes to game day coaching. It's all just me speculating anyway. What do I know? It's a tough and important decison. I want to see the search done by committee (without TW having ultimate authority), and for them to look at everyone who might be available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiroad1 Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 Some of you are beginning to remind me of people who voted for the phrase "hope and change" without asking what it meant. Oy. This does not add to the discussion, nor is it much of a "hiroad". This looks more like a disguised anti-Winters post, than a plea for open minds. Not my intent. I just find it incredulous that so many people want to stop the search before it has begun in earnest. If Winters is hired I will be behind him 100%, and I will vote for him by renewing my four season tickets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kangaroo Craig Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 This is a candidate that I suggested last week (just an example). He's not a a midwest guy, but he is ready. He may not be the #1 choice, but we need to look at ALL possible candidates NATIONWIDE, not just those that are in a 500 mile radius. This guy was a Browns assistant a few years ago. He once lived in NE Ohio. USC is on probation. UCLA is playing for the PAC 12 South title tonight and USC is taking them to the woodshed tonight. The last time I checked, the Trojans were winning 43-0. The point here is that we need to look at ALL possible candidates country wide, not just Big Ten HC's or assistants. I agree that Luke Fickle is at the top of the heep,and should definitely be considered, but there are MANY very good choices nationwide. There are ALLOT of HC's and Coordinators at the D1 level who are ready to make the next step. The point here, is that the U of A and Wistrcell need to be very thorough in their vetting process in picking the next head coach. Akron can not afford to make another mistake because it can set this program back another 5 - 10 years (See University of New Mexico -I used to live in Albuquerque- That program is awful because they have made numerous bad choices). Also, don't just assume that a near west or far west guy won"t come here. That is ABSOLUTELY short sided thinking. They will come here! http://www.usctrojans.com/sports/m-footbl/..._kennedy00.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiroad1 Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 This is a candidate that I suggested last week (just an example). He's not a a midwest guy, but he is ready. He may not be the #1 choice, but we need to look at ALL possible candidates NATIONWIDE, not just those that are in a 500 mile radius. This guy was a Browns assistant a few years ago. He once lived in NE Ohio. USC is on probation. UCLA is playing for the PAC 12 South title tonight and USC is taking them to the woodshed tonight. The last time I checked, the Trojans were winning 43-0. The point here is that we need to look at ALL possible candidates country wide, not just Big Ten HC's or assistants. I agree that Luke Fickle is at the top of the heep,and should definitely be considered, but there are MANY very good choices nationwide. There are ALLOT of HC's and Coordinators at the D1 level who are ready to make the next step. The point here, is that the U of A and Wistrcell need to be very thorough in their vetting process in picking the next head coach. Akron can not afford to make another mistake because it can set this program back another 5 - 10 years (See University of New Mexico -I used to live in Albuquerque- That program is awful because they have made numerous bad choices). Also, don't just assume that a near west or far west guy won"t come here. That is ABSOLUTELY short sided thinking. They will come here! http://www.usctrojans.com/sports/m-footbl/..._kennedy00.html He has only two years at the coordinator level, but otherwise a very impressive resume. Those two years being at USC are meaningful though. I agree, if a guy like this is interested, Akron should at least investigate him as a possibility. I've said repeatedly, I don't care if a guy comes here for only 3-5 years and then moves on/up to a bigger program. If they are moving up, it will mean Akron has been successful. I want the best guy we can get, period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiroad1 Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 Okay, the blind "hire Winters" post are getting me to a point where they are turning me away from the guy. We had an emotional hire two years ago. Why would we want to do it again without a thorough look at all qualified candidates. I went to Akron when Paul Winters was playing. He's a great guy, and his record would indicate he has become a very good coach. However, why in the world would we not want to keep an open mind through this search. I can think of a couple of things that give me pause regarding Winters, but not that would keep me from embracing him if he is selected. He is one of several qualified candidates that need to be investigating. Some of you are beginning to remind me of people who voted for the phrase "hope and change" without asking what it meant. The University of Akron needs to do a thorough search. If the man is Winters, great. But not by default!!!!!!!!! thank you. exactly what i am thinking (sans the seeing him play - im too young for that haha) BTW, getting away from the coaching discussion. Paul Winters really was fun to watch running the football. Dude had some moves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indians06 Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 Paul Winters will never be head coach here. You don't go from a D-I assistant at a big time college football program to D-II head coach. That's not a logical progression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoZips Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 The prime factor in selecting a new head coach is ... Where do the leaders of the U of A community desire the program to go? If the goal is to flounder along in the MAC and continue to take lumps, by all means hire a low cost coach that will give you just that. Just be prepared to spend years lingering at or near the bottom. This is not Jim Tressel. If the goal is to excel in the MAC, then you need a coach that can right the program quickly and take it to championship level. BTW, this supposedly has been the stated goal for several years. This is not Jim Tressel. If the goal of the leaders has vision and foresees moving on, preferably up, then the new coach has to bring to the table the ability and knowledge to make this move. This is Jim Tressel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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