Balsy Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 I know there is a separate thread a separate thread on building renovating the JAR, and the building of a New arena. But I think a separate thread that can be referenced specifically for attendance stats is necessary, and I will update this periodically.I have grouped the attendance data by game, OOC average, season average, MAC average, vs Can't trend, vs Ohio trend (rivalry games just for fun) the average capacity % for each season and how it compares to the 10-year average. *Note: ten-year average is 2005/2005-2013/2014.*UPDATE: Fixed MAC and OOC, and 2014/2015 season average).Sheet1.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sportsjunkie330 Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Hmmmmm, interesting. Attendance shouldn't be going down ..... with the "20 win seasons" it should be gaining every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtyolcrowe Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 I can tell ya! bad non conference schedule. UMBCC, Coppin St????? I don't know why we play these teams. I know we will never get OSU, Cincinnati at our place. But certainly we can look at Dayton, CSU, Xavier, and in surrounding areas. EKU, WKU, Detroit, Why don't we look at some teams in the middle of the pack in some of the bigger conferences. Seton Hall, Providence, St. Johns, Bradley, UAB, UNC-Asheville or UNC-Charlotte...............just thinking aloud but have we made an effort to try for some home & homes with these schools. One of the things i thought worked well was the BB tourney in cleveland back in Dec. Going back 10-15 years. Usually it was 4 team tourney with 3 out of 4 ohio schools. CSU, Ohio, Akron, Can't St. Cincy. Maybe we need something like that again....or push for a neutral floor. Who wants to go on Sat night to see Coppin St, if you aren't a season ticket holder. No intrigue, no drama......Schedule better.....know its tougher than it looks but stick to your guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Hmmmmm, interesting. Attendance shouldn't be going down ..... with the "20 win seasons" it should be gaining every year. People are tired of the JAR, of a home OOC schedule full of no-name low-majors, and of never being nationally relevant despite winning lots of games.I have no idea why we didn't schedule YSU or CSU, Wright State, or Detroit or any other Horizon League team this year, but that really hurts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staton14 Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 People are tired of the JAR, of a home OOC schedule full of no-name low-majors, and of never being nationally relevant despite winning lots of games.I have no idea why we didn't schedule YSU or CSU, Wright State, or Detroit or any other Horizon League team this year, but that really hurts.Because its a lose-lose type situation. Even if you win, people aren't excited because they don't view those teams highly. And if you lose, its embarrassing to lose to a local team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Balsy, nice work. It takes more time and effort to actually assemble data than it does to criticize data or speculate about it, and it takes even more time to properly analyze that data. The raw numbers are an important starting point without which further speculation is futile. But variables also need to be factored in, and there are many variables that affect attendance, such as weather, conflicting events, relative success of the Zips at the time, attractiveness of opponents, etc. It can't be reduced to a simple A=B as some want to do. It's a much more complex formula than that. You've provided an excellent starting point for a long and interesting discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsy Posted January 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Balsy, nice work. It takes more time and effort to actually assemble data than it does to criticize data or speculate about it, and it takes even more time to properly analyze that data. The raw numbers are an important starting point without which further speculation is futile. But variables also need to be factored in, and there are many variables that affect attendance, such as weather, conflicting events, relative success of the Zips at the time, attractiveness of opponents, etc. It can't be reduced to a simple A=B as some want to do. It's a much more complex formula than that. You've provided an excellent starting point for a long and interesting discussion.Agreed. Originally I thought about organizing by month to see if there is any difference, but really the Zips only have a handful of games at home each month and the values varied wildly, and didn't really show anything significant. OOC vs MAC showed the most significance. Two games in November compared to 5 games February was being skewed a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdt1420 Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Something seems incorrect in 2013/14 ooc attendance. No way we averaged 3900, I think that's Mac attendance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Something seems incorrect in 2013/14 ooc attendance. No way we averaged 3900, I think that's Mac attendanceMAC and OOC averages do appear to be transposed in 2013/14 and also 2011/12 and 2009/10. MAC attendance should always be higher than OOC. And for 2014/15, the season average is shown as lower than both the MAC and OOC averages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsy Posted January 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 MAC and OOC averages do appear to be transposed in 2013/14 and also 2011/12 and 2009/10. MAC attendance should always be higher than OOC. And for 2014/15, the season average is shown as lower than both the MAC and OOC averages.Fixed. The 14/15 OOC average had the first MAC game added in with it thus skewing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxpayer Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Good work Balsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 If possible, one thing that would be helpful would be to convert that document from portrait to landscape and try to squeeze it all onto one page, which would make it a lot easier to compare various seasons than switching back and forth between page 1 and page 2. You might be able to squeeze the line spacing and maybe go down in font size to make it all fit on a landscape page.To add some perspective to JAR attendance, I've gone back and pulled a few numbers from previous posts I've made on the subject of college basketball attendance:4,759 = earliest available average D-I home game attendance from the NCAA (1975-1976)5,641 = peak average attendance (1994-1995)4,817 = average attendance last season (2013-2014)Average college basketball attendance was generally on an upward trend for the two decades from 1975-1995, peaked, and has been generally on the decline for the last two decades from 1995-present. It's now just about back to where it was when the NCAA started publishing these numbers in 1976.3,790 = average home attendance for all MAC teams 10 years ago (2003-2004)2,869 = average home attendance for all MAC teams last season (2013-2014)2,902 = average Zips home attendance 10 years ago (2003-2004)3,609 = average Zips home attendance last season (2013-2014)Average Zips home attendance has gone up about 25% over the last decade at the same time that average MAC home attendance has gone down about 25%. UA and the MAC have been going in opposite directions over the past decade when it comes to spectator interest in basketball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsy Posted January 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 With DiG's advice. Reposted with smaller font, see if you like it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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