msopher Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 Zips Fans,I know we've had our differences before, but I am in agreement with most MAC fans that you guys indeed were snubbed from post-season play.Although my allegiance is firmly with Toledo, I take great pride in being an ambassador for the MAC. Although many are upset now with Rick Chryst, and the Director of Basketball Operations, this conference is still one damn good collection of universities, and I think you would agree with me that competition for success here is as good as anywhere else in the country.Having said that, it's a shame the national perception is rather unfavorable to our conference. It seems as though every year someone gets screwed out of post-season play, whether that'd be football or basketball. It's not fair, it's not right, but until we consistently beat these "BCS" schools, it's not going to change.Yes, you guys deserve to be in NIT and possibly a NCAA bid over a Purdue, Georgia Tech, or a Boston College type team. I know 20 wins in the ACC, Big Ten, or SEC is a big deal but it's just not right.Regardless, please root for Miami (Oh) and Toledo in their post-season games. The only way our conference gets better is for us to go out their a continually pull-off upsets. Beating good teams will raise awareness.Finally, I look forward to next season and I know the Zips will be right there at the top of the conference. My cousin's husband coaches at Can't State and I get free tickets there periodically. I will admit that all three times you guys played Can't, I had to root for Akron, it just made more sense. So, let's do everyone a favor and have multiple MAC teams over .500 heading into conference play with many wins over BCS schools. This conference can get 2-3 teams in the tournament if it takes care of business in November and December. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmyboy Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 Zips Fans,I know we've had our differences before, but I am in agreement with most MAC fans that you guys indeed were snubbed from post-season play.Although my allegiance is firmly with Toledo, I take great pride in being an ambassador for the MAC. Although many are upset now with Rick Chryst, and the Director of Basketball Operations, this conference is still one damn good collection of universities, and I think you would agree with me that competition for success here is as good as anywhere else in the country.Having said that, it's a shame the national perception is rather unfavorable to our conference. It seems as though every year someone gets screwed out of post-season play, whether that'd be football or basketball. It's not fair, it's not right, but until we consistently beat these "BCS" schools, it's not going to change.Yes, you guys deserve to be in NIT and possibly a NCAA bid over a Purdue, Georgia Tech, or a Boston College type team. I know 20 wins in the ACC, Big Ten, or SEC is a big deal but it's just not right.Regardless, please root for Miami (Oh) and Toledo in their post-season games. The only way our conference gets better is for us to go out their a continually pull-off upsets. Beating good teams will raise awareness.Finally, I look forward to next season and I know the Zips will be right there at the top of the conference. My cousin's husband coaches at Can't State and I get free tickets there periodically. I will admit that all three times you guys played Can't, I had to root for Akron, it just made more sense. So, let's do everyone a favor and have multiple MAC teams over .500 heading into conference play with many wins over BCS schools. This conference can get 2-3 teams in the tournament if it takes care of business in November and December. another MAC teams fan showing some class. Thanks for the compliments, and i do feel we were horribly snubbed by the NIT like you do. It is hard for us to get wins over the bigger BCS schools, when they wont come and play us at the JAR (EX: we have been trying to sign pitt for the last 2 years, but they wont) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 I don't think any of us really have any problems with other MAC teams getting in. Heck, we'd like to have half the MAC get postseason bids, but that is not going to happen.Your point is correct. If you can get some wins, and some respect, it helps all of us.Go Toledo, and Go Miami.You guys have to understand, it's been an awful weekend. It's understood that the officiating was a problem for all of us this season, but the fact that it decided to have it's biggest blunder at the most critical time was hard to swallow. Then the two tournament snubs.We've gotten a triple screw job, and it's going to take us awhile to recover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipgrad1990 Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 I agree - Go Toledo and go Miami!Show the selection committees what asses they are for not taking another MAC team in the post season!I think next year the MAC will be much tougher. At least I think Toledo, Can't, Miami, and Akron will be better. I'm not sure about the rest of the conference, but I hope they will all be better too!Hopefully in 2008 we will break the 1 bid we have been stuck on in the NCAA tournament since 1999. In fact I want to see us get 4-5 teams in (2 NCAA and 2-3 NIT). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 Hey. Thanks for the post. I know that the MAC can run with the big dogs. MAC teams have consistantly overacheaved in the tournament more than any mid-major conference in NCAA history. I hope Toledo wins the NIT and that Miami pulls off a few upsets in the big dance. I think both of those things happening is possible, so long as we don't get any MAC officiating crews at those places. :lol:A real problem is that there were only FIVE teams with a .500+ overall record in the MAC. I don't care whether you play every top team in the country or a bunch of no-names, at least six MAC teams should have winning records every year. You talk about RPI, and 25% of it is calculated by your overall record, 50% by your opponents's record, and 25% by your opponents' opponents' record. Winning many games against decent teams is key to the formula. I think Akron got it partly wrong by focusing too much on getting a good record with wins over relatively weak competition. Alternately, teams like WMU, Miami, and Toledo went for playing lots of really good teams and hoping for a few wins if they were lucky. Both strategies failed. We need to find the middle ground of the two strategies. I think the MAC should enter something like the B10/ACC challenge, only with the MVC. Playing winning teams that we can beat is the best option. We are better than them, but we can't prove it unless we play them regularly. At least, that's my take on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valpo Zip Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 Hey Msopher, Thanks for the comforting words, although i do not agree with you that most of the MAC fans are feeling with us. Go to the NCAAbbs forum and see the MAC fans beating us when we're down.However, you have some good points that would make sense in an ideal world but not in this world. I'll take them one by one:please root for Miami (Oh) and Toledo in their post-season games. The only way our conference gets better is for us to go out their a continually pull-off upsets. Beating good teams will raise awareness.Miami went to the sweet 16 in the late 1990's and Can't state went to the elite 8 in the early 2000's what did we get the following years ? only the automatic bids. You know that the MAC only received the automatic bids to both tournaments this year right ? if the committees had the choice, Miami and Toledo wouldn't even be there (the seeding also should tell you something).whether that'd be football or basketball. It's not fair, it's not right, but until we consistently beat these "BCS" schools, it's not going to change.We are not going to beat these teams if we don't play them. They won't play us at home on a game to game basis. They won't play us on a 2-1 either and i am not talking about top 25 teams. Even NIT material they still feel that they are too good to play us 2-1 and we all know what a big advantage homecourt is.Now this is not our first snub, football 2 years ago, Charlie frye's senior year... Men's Soccer ranked #1 most of the season and being seeded 9th in the tournament.And now that... The rest of the mac hates us, the commish won't stand for us... why are we in this league ? just to pay our dues ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RACER Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 forget the two divison formatt for basketball.having two divisons doe not matter anyways because all the teams are in the tourney.while it would cut down on the occ schedule this at least would make all the teams play each other 2x. nothing against toledo ,but we did not have a chance to play you on our court.im not saying we would have won. the point im making is unbalanced schedule is not fair to the teams in the east. then people would quit complaing also when we play garnder web also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipsbandman Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 Zips Fans,I know we've had our differences before, but I am in agreement with most MAC fans that you guys indeed were snubbed from post-season play.Although my allegiance is firmly with Toledo, I take great pride in being an ambassador for the MAC. Although many are upset now with Rick Chryst, and the Director of Basketball Operations, this conference is still one damn good collection of universities, and I think you would agree with me that competition for success here is as good as anywhere else in the country.Having said that, it's a shame the national perception is rather unfavorable to our conference. It seems as though every year someone gets screwed out of post-season play, whether that'd be football or basketball. It's not fair, it's not right, but until we consistently beat these "BCS" schools, it's not going to change.Yes, you guys deserve to be in NIT and possibly a NCAA bid over a Purdue, Georgia Tech, or a Boston College type team. I know 20 wins in the ACC, Big Ten, or SEC is a big deal but it's just not right.Regardless, please root for Miami (Oh) and Toledo in their post-season games. The only way our conference gets better is for us to go out their a continually pull-off upsets. Beating good teams will raise awareness.Finally, I look forward to next season and I know the Zips will be right there at the top of the conference. My cousin's husband coaches at Can't State and I get free tickets there periodically. I will admit that all three times you guys played Can't, I had to root for Akron, it just made more sense. So, let's do everyone a favor and have multiple MAC teams over .500 heading into conference play with many wins over BCS schools. This conference can get 2-3 teams in the tournament if it takes care of business in November and December.Ya what the hell is with some of the losers on bbs? Talk about bitter fans. We are supposed to support other schools when they are kicking us in the face while we are at our lowest point? What happened to us WILL happen to them at some point, and they don't realize that. Keith Dambrot has lost faith in this conference and so have I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickzips Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 Like others have said. I have a REALLY hard time supporting the rest of the MAC with the way we have been treated by the conference as a whole and its fans this weekend and continue to today. The fans who truly realize the implications of this whole situation on not just Akron, but the conference as a whole are too few and far between.As much as I like and respect Charlie Coles, and will try not to stereotype all Miami fans based off of one retard. This post right here makes it very hard for me to be happy for Miami or root for them in the tourney.http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/mac/phpbb/vi...pic.php?t=44747I also think its pretty funny that over at bbs the fans who seem to be in our corner the most are the Can't fans. Don't know if it is just because they feel they were snubbed to (man would I have been pissed if Can't had gotten a bid to the NIT and we didn't) or if they truly do realize that this is bad for every team in the conference across the board. Either way it is kinda ironic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipsbandman Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 Like others have said. I have a REALLY hard time supporting the rest of the MAC with the way we have been treated by the conference as a whole and its fans this weekend and continue to today. The fans who truly realize the implications of this whole situation on not just Akron, but the conference as a whole are too few and far between.As much as I like and respect Charlie Coles, and will try not to stereotype all Miami fans based off of one retard. This post right here makes it very hard for me to be happy for Miami or root for them in the tourney.http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/mac/phpbb/vi...pic.php?t=44747I also think its pretty funny that over at bbs the fans who seem to be in our corner the most are the Can't fans. Don't know if it is just because they feel they were snubbed to (man would I have been pissed if Can't had gotten a bid to the NIT and we didn't) or if they truly do realize that this is bad for every team in the conference across the board. Either way it is kinda ironic. That post made me sick. Talk about winning with class. Talk about gloating.Screw the SweatersActually with the Can't fans, what can they really say? They were completely civilized by the zips this year. They've been silent ever since their exodus from the tourney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipsbandman Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 They get mad at Dambrot for saying it was a lucky shot when in fact the player who shot it said the same thing!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balki Bartokomous Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 well this just proves that it is 12:58 and Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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