Zipgrad1990 Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Since the NIT now takes the conference winner if not selected to the NIT, the MAC needs to either go back to one division or at least play a balanced schedule. Akron only got to play Toledo at Toledo, and Toledo played most of their games against the weaker west. Maybe Toledo would have still won the division, but I would prefer they would have had to earn it by playing every team from both the East and West twice. And who knows years from now the shoe might be on the other foot with the west being strong and the east being weak.Another thought - why did we have Duquesne on Monday 2/26? Miami of Ohio only had to play 2 games (3/1 & 3/4) the week before the tournament, Akron had 3 (2/26, 3/1, & 3/4). Maybe that explains why we seemed to be the more tired team at the end of the MAC Championship game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoZips88 Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 WE chose to schedule Duquesne. Did it help us? Did it hurt us? Given that win/loss record OBVIOUSLY didn't really matter to the committees, I would lean towards it hurt us for the reason you gave - that much more effort relatively close to tourney time. We ended up beating Buffalo and Can't that week but one less game may have left JUST enough more in the tank against Miami. Who knows.I was even wondering whether we could play additional games within our conference if pickings are slim outside of conference? Since we only played Toledo there, could we have scheduled them at home? MUCH better SOS/RPI game than a Tiffin (didn't count), Binghamton, etc.. I know there are some duds in the MAC but even some of them are better than what we had to schedule OOS. Ignore this thought if there are NCAA/MAC rules against this sort of thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadscarman Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 If we played everyone two times in the MAC, we would not need OOC games. I am sure, we are not the only MAC program having these scheduling problems, and for all these NCAA brilliant individuals on the selection committees we would be playing all D1 programs which should assist us in RPI's etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zip81 Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Yeah...why not go back to one division?Please discuss.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueandgold Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 One division makes sense for basketball. I'm all for it in basketball. We have an end of season tournamement which is based on both divisions playing one another with no consideration of division. In football the divisions matter because the top of the east plays the top of the west. So winning an East division title or a West division title means something in football, but really doesn't mean much in basketball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zip81 Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 One division makes sense for basketball. We have an end of season tournamement which is based on both divisions playing one another with no consideration of division. In football the divisions matter because the top of the east plays the top of the west. So winning an East division title or a West division title means something in football. Yeah...in basketball, the seedings could be just what place you finished the season. have tie breakers for those with the same conf. record.I see what you mean in football. that's a tough one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickzips Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 This is a fine defeatist idea if the MAC wants to just keep playing for 1 bid in the NCAA's (tournament champ) and one bid in the NIT (regular season champ). If thats the case then by all means we need to go back to playing every team twice during the regular season and make sure that the NIT bid gets filled by the most deserving team should that team not win the tournament. If the MAC wants to get BETTER and actually maybe have a chance to have <gasp> 3 teams in the postseason or <GASP> even more than 3 teams then we need to stick with the current situation, BUT the MAC office needs to get off their lazy, self-congratulatory butt and come up with a legitimate, strong out of confrenece scheduling plan for all teams. If you leave it where we are at now with a couple of league games chopped off the schedule in order to open up OOC dates AND you make sure that those OOC dates are filled with top mid-majors and middle of the line power schools that we have a chance to beat or at least play close then you boost the overall conference RPI, SOS for every team goes up, RPI goes up and you create a more competitive league in terms of tournament bids. The MAC has taken step one by cutting a couple league games out of the picture, but have left individual teams hanging on what to do with them. As a result you get some teams that are going out and playing teams that are way out of their league on the road all OOC season just for a little payday which hurts RPI and everything else and you get some teams that schedule cupcakes like Tiffin for most of their OOC schedule and the league suffers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipsbandman Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 This is a fine defeatist idea if the MAC wants to just keep playing for 1 bid in the NCAA's (tournament champ) and one bid in the NIT (regular season champ). If thats the case then by all means we need to go back to playing every team twice during the regular season and make sure that the NIT bid gets filled by the most deserving team should that team not win the tournament. If the MAC wants to get BETTER and actually maybe have a chance to have <gasp> 3 teams in the postseason or <GASP> even more than 3 teams then we need to stick with the current situation, BUT the MAC office needs to get off their lazy, self-congratulatory butt and come up with a legitimate, strong out of confrenece scheduling plan for all teams. If you leave it where we are at now with a couple of league games chopped off the schedule in order to open up OOC dates AND you make sure that those OOC dates are filled with top mid-majors and middle of the line power schools that we have a chance to beat or at least play close then you boost the overall conference RPI, SOS for every team goes up, RPI goes up and you create a more competitive league in terms of tournament bids. The MAC has taken step one by cutting a couple league games out of the picture, but have left individual teams hanging on what to do with them. As a result you get some teams that are going out and playing teams that are way out of their league on the road all OOC season just for a little payday which hurts RPI and everything else and you get some teams that schedule cupcakes like Tiffin for most of their OOC schedule and the league suffers. One and done bids at that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
74ZIP Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 small conferences only hurt themselves when they play a conference tourney...at least as far as getting to the BIG DANCE is concerned...the conference tourney is ALL about money,thats all...but when you know you only get one bid you take the chance on having the ' MIAMI SCENARIO' rear its ugly head...at most the MAC should play a round robin regular season and have the 2 division champs play for the right to go to the NCAAat least then you get one of the 2 best teams in and the other likely gets the NIT... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KNCLZip Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 small conferences only hurt themselves when they play a conference tourney...at least as far as getting to the BIG DANCE is concerned...the conference tourney is ALL about money,thats all...but when you know you only get one bid you take the chance on having the ' MIAMI SCENARIO' rear its ugly head...at most the MAC should play a round robin regular season and have the 2 division champs play for the right to go to the NCAAat least then you get one of the 2 best teams in and the other likely gets the NIT... Indeed. Isn't it way overkill to have ALL TWELVE teams in the tournament? Doesn't the regular season mean anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMR Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 The MAC needs to host multiple championship tournaments so more teams can get in. That is the ONLY way the MAC will ever get team into the Dance (of course this cannot happen per NCAA rules). Face it, the MAC is not a BCS conference and will never be considered a power conference, the big boys will not allow that to happen, too much $$ riding.Unless UA wins the tournament, we will continue to stay home, as long as we stay in the MAC.We should be calling every conference in the country right now, lobbying for a spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RACER Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 i like the idea of one division for basketball. if we had that this year no way toledo goes to the nit. we need to play every team twice to make it fair. i think all the teams in the mac east would have been better off with a one divsion conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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