originalrowdy Posted March 5, 2008 Report Posted March 5, 2008 Okay, I know this subject comes up every year throughout the basketball season and it has already this year. But, I spoke with someone at work about this yesterday, and I just can't pinpoint where I sit on the debate. It doesn't much matter for us because we have to win the MAC tourney to get anywhere, it just annoys me that two teams that WE SWEEP THIS SEASON have better RPIs (OU and cryami). I mean, ESPN uses this number, in addition to key wins/losses and SOS, as a tournament resume...so it must mean something. Is it name recognition? (Let's not be foolish - those two have more than us ) Is it who you know on selection committees? I just think that it would be nice to have some post season play (NCAA OR NIT) and, should we not win the MAC (WHICH WE WILL ), feel confident about being selected to the NIT. The whole thing just kills me...oh well. Thoughts??? Quote
skip-zip Posted March 5, 2008 Report Posted March 5, 2008 I'm pretty sure the RPI doesn't take into account head-to-head matchups against teams below or above you. I guess that would be hard to do.I do know that Miami had a tremendous OOC schedule stength. I'm sure that's why they have a much better RPI than Akron. But, I am not sure where Ohio's SOS was this season, although I know it was better than ours. This is one of things I talk about all the time when the issue of scheduling comes up. It appears that adding more difficult teams to your schedule historically is beneficial to you, even if you don't win. Quote
zen Posted March 5, 2008 Report Posted March 5, 2008 I mean, ESPN uses this number(RPI), in addition to key wins/losses and SOS, as a tournament resume...no they don't.getting a tourney bid (outside of the concrete rules) is about abstract biased value judgments like popularity, school size, reputation/pedigree, and what currently tickles their fancy. Quote
ziptrumpet87 Posted March 5, 2008 Report Posted March 5, 2008 I mean, ESPN uses this number(RPI), in addition to key wins/losses and SOS, as a tournament resume...no they don't.getting a tourney bid (outside of the concrete rules) is about abstract biased value judgments like popularity, school size, reputation/pedigree, and what currently tickles their fancy. In other words... IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY! Quote
ZachTheZip Posted March 5, 2008 Report Posted March 5, 2008 I do know that Miami had a tremendous OOC schedule stength. I'm sure that's why they have a much better RPI than Akron. But, I am not sure where Ohio's SOS was this season, although I know it was better than ours.Skip-Zip, Akron is ahead of Miami in RPI, and can pass OU with a win over Can't State, plus our SOS will go up quite a bit just by playing them.Current MAC RPI rankings ans SOS comparisons:#32 Can't State; SOS #131#70 Ohio; SOS #102#81 Akron; SOS #173#82 Miami; SOS #41#115 Western Michigan; SOS #209#164 Central Michigan; SOS #170#190 Bowling Green; SOS #180#220 Toledo; SOS #108#238 Eastern Michigan; SOS #233#263 Buffalo; SOS #177#281 Northern Illinois; SOS #134#293 Ball State; SOS # 142Can't is the only team where the RPI would matter come selection time. OU has a better resumé than us (for now), but we beat them twice. Quote
zipdiehard Posted March 5, 2008 Report Posted March 5, 2008 The Suckeyes are living proof that it is who you play not that you beat them. They benefit from being in the same conference as tourney teams such as Indiana & MSU. They are currently 49th in RPI and considered a bubble team, yet their "signature" wins are against a 31 & a 60, with the 31 being in league. They are 1-9 against top 50 teams yet are still on the bubble. Who do you think they will take: Can't with a higher RPI or OSU who was in the championship game last year? hmmm let me think... Do you honestly think the selection committee is going to let both FL and OSU sit, despite neither of them deserving to be in? Quote
ZipAlumn Posted March 5, 2008 Report Posted March 5, 2008 The Suckeyes are living proof that it is who you play not that you beat them. They benefit from being in the same conference as tourney teams such as Indiana & MSU. They are currently 49th in RPI and considered a bubble team, yet their "signature" wins are against a 31 & a 60, with the 31 being in league. They are 1-9 against top 50 teams yet are still on the bubble. Who do you think they will take: Can't with a higher RPI or OSU who was in the championship game last year? hmmm let me think... Do you honestly think the selection committee is going to let both FL and OSU sit, despite neither of them deserving to be in?I totally agree ........ I am so tired of Strength of Schedule and RPI that I could scream Besides it is always nice to scream There is no logical reason that Miami or Ohio should even be considered a better team than Akron because of their SOS or RPI. We swept them both once on our floor and once on their floor. The Selection Committee when it comes to "bubble teams" first contemplates their navals, next talks with their barber, picks their nose , and then finally picks the teams that strike their fancy. Akron get no respect, the MAC gets no respect, and we are in a one teams conference, so deal with it. Quote
RACER Posted March 6, 2008 Report Posted March 6, 2008 die hard i totally agree.they will take a team like the buckeyes,or florida anytime over any at large mac team.the tourney committe can spew on bs they want,but the mac will get one bid almost every year.teams like florida,and osu brings alott fans and $ to these games.i know the committe does pick teams based totally on attendance.at the same time you cant tell me when it comes to the last few teams being selected the bcs schools will get the nod every time over a mac school. Quote
Zipgrad1990 Posted March 6, 2008 Report Posted March 6, 2008 Everyone is making good points.Back to the original question - RPI...worth anything???It is if you are a bubble team from a major conference (as mentioned OSU is one) as your RPI is higher by default, so the selection committe uses that as a reason to include major conference bubble teams.RPI is also used to exclude mid-majors.RPI is never used for as a reason for an at large bid for a mid-major, at least not on its own. If your SOS is low and you have a good RPI too bad you are out if you are a mid-major.The quality win argument (wins over top RPI teams) is only used as a reason to include or exclude mid-majors. It doesn't seem to matter for major conferences as long as their RPI is good.What I don't get is the Strength of Schedule rating being so important. RPI takes SOS into account, Miami of Ohio is a prime example of that. So why is worry about SOS when its already part of the RPI equation? Oh thats right - it gives the committee another reason to exclude mid-majors.Oh well at least Quote
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