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How long you guys going to be living the glory days of Charlie Frye? You guys seem to forget that we always, always have had great quarterbacks. If you are a great program, you will not need to worry about transitioning a new one in. You guys act like the only good quarterback we have ever had was Gradkowski.And this whole attempt at "reasoning" regarding UCNN and recruits is horrible. Did you guys even go to college? That is not how simple reasoning works. But, I would not expect you guys to understand that. If the same athlete de-commited Toledo, commited to UConn and then changed his mind for Akron, you would have a case.But this kid's offer was pulled from UConn. So really, you got a kid that UConn did not want. It is like this kicker...he is being asked to walk-on to USC and you guys are offering him a full scholarship. All you can really say, in these two instances, is that you got a kid that UConn threw away and you may or may not give a scholarship to a kid that a PAC-10 school is asking to walk-on.

Two More CommitmentsJanuary 26, 2006 UConn football coach Randy Edsall added to his defensive and special teams this week when defensive end Lindsey Witten and kicker/punter Desi Cullen made oral commitments. Witten, 6 feet 5, 210 pounds, out of Glenville High School in Cleveland had committed to Toledo in early October but backed out to go with UConn. Witten joins Shawn Lemon of Waldorf, Md., as defensive ends to commit to UConn. *********************************************************************************************************************Update: Lemon rebuffed the Huskies in favor of the Zips on signing day!Hey Rockette....it is pretty obvious...Big East schools are stealing recruits from Toledo while Akron is stealing recruits from Big East schools. Sucks to be you...which I sure is the reason you hang around the Akron board so frequently. I would too if I were in your shoes. Word is that UConn pulled their offer!

http://www.collegefootballnews.com/mac/200.../Recruiting.htmLast year you guys were talking about how great College Football News is because they had you with a great class. Now, in all likelihood, you will talk about how little CFN knows about recruiting because you are ranked so low.That makes two publications that has your class ranked very, very low.

http://www.collegefootballnews.com/mac/200.../Recruiting.htmLast year you guys were talking about how great College Football News is because they had you with a great class. Now, in all likelihood, you will talk about how little CFN knows about recruiting because you are ranked so low.That makes two publications that has your class ranked very, very low.

First of all, we are not, "up North," we are West of you. Secondly, we get the top players and have the top teams because we have the tradition of winning and the top coaching staff in the MAC. Why go and play at the Condom Bowl in front of 6,000 fans and Public Access TV and pray for a 7-6 or 6-5 season when you can go to Toledo and play in front of sellout crowds and be on National TV 5-6 times a year and average going 9-3 a year and go to bowl games?The rest of the MAC is tired of hearing about your practice facility. Big deal. Like I have said before, Can't has one that is equally as nice and it does not seem to help them.

Head to head? They want the guy to walk-on, you are offering a full scholarship. Hardly head-to-head.

Yes, you are exaggerating.The relevent point is that just because you have a great practice facility does not mean you have a great program. The facility at Can't is just as nice and it does not help them at all. We do not have one and it does not hurt us at all.And Akron has a lot more in common with Can't State than Toledo does with Buffalo.

I agree with all of your post except the practice facility. NFL coaches also rave about the Can't State facility as well. The Steelers and the Browns have also used Can't's facility and it has not done squat for them. Cower loves the Can't facility.

...and if you want to play in bowl games and on national TV and win numerous championships, come to Toledo. Amstutz may be a big guy, but he is the best, and winningest coach in the Mid-American Conference and we have sent more men to the NFL than Crackron ever will. In addition, we have the top DC in the MAC as well.Nobody cares how nice your practice facility is. Big deal. Can't State has one that is basically the same thing and look what it does for them!

First of all, I would hardly say you "caught up" with the rest of the MAC. You guys were 7-6 and 13-11 over the last two years. We have averaged 9-3 over the last five years, 12-straight winning seasons and a bowl game four of the last five years.And as far as the recruiting class goes, Rivals, and only Rivals, thinks you have a good class. According to Scout, it is not very good at all.

You guys act like you invented the idea of an indoor facility. Can't has one too, so does CMU, WMU, BGSU, etc. Listen, 30+ national TV appearances in the last eight years is worth way more to our program than your indoor facility is to yours.

I think you guys are missing the point of a smaller stadium. You need to create a demand for tickets as well. Even the most successful programs in the MAC are only averaging about 23,000 fans a game. I think your administrators are looking to build a 20-28,000 seat stadium that is expandable for the future. To this point, you have no idea how many more fans are going to come to your games if it is on campus. You are guessing it will be a lot more but it is only a guess. You guys talk about how you can be drawing tons of people for your games because of how many alumni are in the area and how you have a large population base.The problem with that theory is that those people do not live on campus anyway. If they were going to be coming to games, they would already be coming to games because the drive from campus would have been a moot point since they do not live on campus. The advantage to an on campus facility is the students. Then again, you are just guessing at how many students will come to the game.Your school has not shown that they can support a football program yet. Yes, you had 14-15,000 fans go to the bowl game. You also only brought about 7,000 fans to the MAC Championship game.We have had the largest home games in MAC history at about 36,000 fans in a stadium that technically only seats 26,000. There were people everywhere. If we had a 45,000 seat stadium, it would have been 75% full and that is the all-time MAC record. even Marshall, as much as we all hated them, had the best fan support in the MAC and they were only drawing 25,000.The last thing you want is to build this huge stadium with all the expenses of keeping it up and the thing be only half full. As it stands right now, in a MAC Championship season, you averaged 10,000. Say you theoretically get double the students to come and you are now looking at about 14,000 as I am assuming that about 4,000 students make up the 10,000 fans.A mediocre opponent at the Glass Bowl (Buffalo) will get us about 19,000 and about 10,000 of that is the student section. A great opponent will get us 30,000+ and it is still only about 10,000 students. Once you get the students to the game, they will come regardless. It is the fans in the community that come to watch good games and those are the people that do not live on campus already and should already be going to the games.So, point being, the attendance will go up, but not much unless you can have a tradition of winning and a good fan base. I have said before that 13-11 over the last two years is not a tradition of winning. You are assuming that these numbers will go up, but my arguement is that you guys do not want to end up like Western. They thought they were going to light the world on fire after making it to the MAC Championship game back in like 1999. Dumped all this money into their program and the support and the wins never came.

How far is the Rubber Bowl from your campus? And you can only must up 7,000 fans for a football game?For your information, the attendance for the Motor City Bowl is based on butts in the seats, not paid attendance. The Big Three account for 80% of the people in the stands. And, just so you know, blue is the main color of both teams in attendance and, on top of that, it is the single most popular color, besides white, for clothing. So, just because you saw a lot of people wearing blue, does not mean they were there supporting Akron.The MCB was pissed when the MACC game was NIU and Akron and Toledo, the team they really wanted, had already commited to the GMAC Bowl.

How do you figure? Even your own website estimates the Akron crowd at somewhere between 10,000 and 15,000. Toledo went over 20,000 last year and we sent over 18,000 to the MAC Championship game which was more than this year's total attendance between you and NIU.

So you obviously have questionable reasoning skills.

As I said before, 13-11 over the last two years and 10,000 fans a game is HARDLY, "on the rise".And the city of Akron is hardly something to be touting!

Lie? How about results? How about 12 National TV appearances in just the last two years alone? How about consistently winning and getting fans to actually come to the games? If you are referring to the statement that Stutz made to the recruit about the Big East, he said that "maybe we will be in a position to move to the Big East." Hardly a statement of fact.Like I said before, prove to me that statement is false. You want the truth? You guys erase any of my posts that talk about the truth. You guys don't want to admit that you are only 11-11 vs. IA opponents the last two years. You don't want to admit that your fan base and attendance are horrible. That is why you earase some of my posts.

Scout has Akron at 95th and only the 7th best recruiting class in the MAC. Hardly a great class at all.If 13-11 over the last two years is "on your way up", I really do not think we have much to worry about. You guys need to be more worried about outdrawing Canton McKinley HS in attendance than trying to keep up with the top program in the MAC.

2004 Akron Attendance:vs. Middle Tennessee -- 17,253vs. Buffalo -- 7,121vs. Ball State -- 7,826vs. Marshall -- 29, 521 (nearly half of which were Marshall fans)vs. Miami -- 17, 410I'd say 25,000 seats is more than enough. Maybe you guys, for $20 million, will get the NCAA minimum 18,000. That is more than enough from the looks of things.

Do you have any proof that Toledo definitely will NOT be in the Big East in a couple of years?While you are at it, please provide me with the proof that you were not 114th in attendance this year and 11-11 over the last two years vs. I-A opponents.

Why erase my post? All I said was the Akron was 113th in attendance in 2005 and 11-11 vs. IA opponents over the last two years. You guys erase the truth off your boards?

...unless you are Akron, in which case you only get a bowl when someone HAS to give you a bowl. In addition, to take one example, Marshall, and say that Toledo and Miami would have the same problems is not realistic. Marshall also lost their head coach and has tons of problems that Toledo and Miami do not have. It is no big surprise to anyone that Marshall is struggling. If they were in the MAC, they would be having the same problems. Their conference has nothing to do with it.

The difference is that you can be 4th in the Big East and 19th in the country and in a good bowl with better exposure. In addition, the basketball version of the football Big East is not going to be that great compared to the basketball version of the Big East after the split.There are plenty of schools in every major conference that do not win their conference but are highly regarded.

I never said it is an exceptionally fine institution of higher learning. The comment was in reference to getting a new president. For your information, Akron is no Harvard. Akron is ranked in the lowest-tier of all national universities by US News and World Report. In addition, Akron is ranked #11 out of 12 MAC schools in the percentage of students who were ranked in the top-10% of their graduating class out of high school. In addition, it is not like the Big East is THAT worried about academic success as they did invite Cincinnati and Louisville which are not exactly lighting-up academia.Yes, Toledo has a great AD. Yes, there are sturggles. But, in case you don't read the national publications, Toledo already is perceived as being a great program. Not a wanna-be, like Akron. That is why Toledo has played on National TV a MAC Record 30 times to lowly Akron's Four Career appearances on National TV (one of which was 1986 when you were I-AA and ESPN was still an infant).

You have absolutely no idea what the hell you are talking about. If you really did know anything at all, you would know that we are no longer going to have our current president past July 1, 2006 anyway. The University of Toledo and the Medical University of Toledo, located two miles from UT Main Campus, are merging on July 1, 2006. This merger will make the University of Toledo the 3rd largest institution in the State of Ohio and the current president of the Medical University will be the new president of the entire university.The Big East is filled with Presidents that have very little clue about athletics. Just because you guys have a president that likes athletics does not mean that much. Why? Because it is still Akron and always will be.