Info attendance

[Lee Adams]

Good points, SeeTeeZip, but don't hold back. Let us know how you really feel! I think this discusion does point out one big difference that we ALL need to expect next year. The entire game day experience for Zip football is about to change in a big way. We have been spoiled, somewhat, in some aspects of the game experience in the years at the bowl. Among other things, one could often opt to arrive "just-in-time" and still get parked, hustle up to the bowl and plant their fanny in a seat before the opening kickoff. Often, that same individual could roam the stadium and "upgrade" when the opportunity presented itself. A buddy of mine and I used to play "follow the ball" when attendance was particularly low. In short, a paying customer could almost always get in and out quickly and cheeply. These days are a thing of the past.At the Info, those of us who have followed the Zips for a long time are going to have to make some adjustments. But I believe these will be WELL worth it. You can't have your cake and eat it too. The Info WILL draw quite a few more fans (although 20K+ average over the 1st 5 years sounds a little optimistic...I'll got with 18K unless JD gets on a roll) and the reason is, as SeeTeeZip states, LOCATION. I, for one, look forward to this new UA game day experience. Will it be more time consuming and expensive? Absolutely. But I believe it will also be far more rewarding and enjoyable. When I made the trip to Syracuse this year, even with the 'Cuse being down, I witnessed a mid-sized college city that I believe serves as a perfect model for what UA and the City could achieve here. In Syracuse there are lots of eateries/pubs to enjoy on gameday and countless pockets of tailgating. The atmosphere was exactly what college football should be all about. If we can create an experience that is even 75% of what is available at Syracuse, we will be the envy of the MAC, whether our rivals will want to admit it or not. I actually think it could be so appealing that OPPONENTS will travel in greater numbers to Akron once good word of mouth spreads.So, in essence, SeeTee, I agree with you for the most part. Too many of us our looking at this gift stadium in the mouth.

if i was a WINKING LIZARD big shot i'd be buying some space along Exchange...BW3 is crazy if they don't expand...that location is a gold mine on game days...

[ksu sucks]

Good points, SeeTeeZip, but don't hold back. Let us know how you really feel! I think this discusion does point out one big difference that we ALL need to expect next year. The entire game day experience for Zip football is about to change in a big way. We have been spoiled, somewhat, in some aspects of the game experience in the years at the bowl. Among other things, one could often opt to arrive "just-in-time" and still get parked, hustle up to the bowl and plant their fanny in a seat before the opening kickoff. Often, that same individual could roam the stadium and "upgrade" when the opportunity presented itself. A buddy of mine and I used to play "follow the ball" when attendance was particularly low. In short, a paying customer could almost always get in and out quickly and cheeply. These days are a thing of the past.At the Info, those of us who have followed the Zips for a long time are going to have to make some adjustments. But I believe these will be WELL worth it. You can't have your cake and eat it too. The Info WILL draw quite a few more fans (although 20K+ average over the 1st 5 years sounds a little optimistic...I'll got with 18K unless JD gets on a roll) and the reason is, as SeeTeeZip states, LOCATION. I, for one, look forward to this new UA game day experience. Will it be more time consuming and expensive? Absolutely. But I believe it will also be far more rewarding and enjoyable. When I made the trip to Syracuse this year, even with the 'Cuse being down, I witnessed a mid-sized college city that I believe serves as a perfect model for what UA and the City could achieve here. In Syracuse there are lots of eateries/pubs to enjoy on gameday and countless pockets of tailgating. The atmosphere was exactly what college football should be all about. If we can create an experience that is even 75% of what is available at Syracuse, we will be the envy of the MAC, whether our rivals will want to admit it or not. I actually think it could be so appealing that OPPONENTS will travel in greater numbers to Akron once good word of mouth spreads.So, in essence, SeeTee, I agree with you for the most part. Too many of us our looking at this gift stadium in the mouth.

if i was a WINKING LIZARD big shot i'd be buying some space along Exchange...BW3 is crazy if they don't expand...that location is a gold mine on game days...

Ohh yes....a LOT of change will be happening on Exchange with the addition of the INFO. Can't wait to see what bars start to pop up. and the best part is.....ITS RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM MY DORM! hooray for underage drinking!

[scottditzen]

Good points, SeeTeeZip, but don't hold back. Let us know how you really feel! I think this discusion does point out one big difference that we ALL need to expect next year. The entire game day experience for Zip football is about to change in a big way. We have been spoiled, somewhat, in some aspects of the game experience in the years at the bowl. Among other things, one could often opt to arrive "just-in-time" and still get parked, hustle up to the bowl and plant their fanny in a seat before the opening kickoff. Often, that same individual could roam the stadium and "upgrade" when the opportunity presented itself. A buddy of mine and I used to play "follow the ball" when attendance was particularly low. In short, a paying customer could almost always get in and out quickly and cheeply. These days are a thing of the past.At the Info, those of us who have followed the Zips for a long time are going to have to make some adjustments. But I believe these will be WELL worth it. You can't have your cake and eat it too. The Info WILL draw quite a few more fans (although 20K+ average over the 1st 5 years sounds a little optimistic...I'll got with 18K unless JD gets on a roll) and the reason is, as SeeTeeZip states, LOCATION. I, for one, look forward to this new UA game day experience. Will it be more time consuming and expensive? Absolutely. But I believe it will also be far more rewarding and enjoyable. When I made the trip to Syracuse this year, even with the 'Cuse being down, I witnessed a mid-sized college city that I believe serves as a perfect model for what UA and the City could achieve here. In Syracuse there are lots of eateries/pubs to enjoy on gameday and countless pockets of tailgating. The atmosphere was exactly what college football should be all about. If we can create an experience that is even 75% of what is available at Syracuse, we will be the envy of the MAC, whether our rivals will want to admit it or not. I actually think it could be so appealing that OPPONENTS will travel in greater numbers to Akron once good word of mouth spreads.So, in essence, SeeTee, I agree with you for the most part. Too many of us our looking at this gift stadium in the mouth.

if i was a WINKING LIZARD big shot i'd be buying some space along Exchange...BW3 is crazy if they don't expand...that location is a gold mine on game days...

Ohh yes....a LOT of change will be happening on Exchange with the addition of the INFO. Can't wait to see what bars start to pop up. and the best part is.....ITS RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM MY DORM! hooray for underage drinking!

I, for one, pray that Exchange gets a complete overhaul asap. Was just there for the first time in a few years and yeesh, the place looks way slummier than I can remember. Many houses about to cave in, outlaw biker looking types at Plasma Center, nowhere to go other than BW-3's. The dazed chick walking aimlessly at Speedway with the house arrest ankle bracelet was interesting....

[zipseuph]

has anyone seen the new spicer village? the place looks amazing especially given where it's located. I've said it before and I'll say it again this University is the only reason the city of Akron isn't a complete trash dump and why I'm am so proud/excited to be living here for some years to come

[ksu sucks]

Good points, SeeTeeZip, but don't hold back. Let us know how you really feel! I think this discusion does point out one big difference that we ALL need to expect next year. The entire game day experience for Zip football is about to change in a big way. We have been spoiled, somewhat, in some aspects of the game experience in the years at the bowl. Among other things, one could often opt to arrive "just-in-time" and still get parked, hustle up to the bowl and plant their fanny in a seat before the opening kickoff. Often, that same individual could roam the stadium and "upgrade" when the opportunity presented itself. A buddy of mine and I used to play "follow the ball" when attendance was particularly low. In short, a paying customer could almost always get in and out quickly and cheeply. These days are a thing of the past.At the Info, those of us who have followed the Zips for a long time are going to have to make some adjustments. But I believe these will be WELL worth it. You can't have your cake and eat it too. The Info WILL draw quite a few more fans (although 20K+ average over the 1st 5 years sounds a little optimistic...I'll got with 18K unless JD gets on a roll) and the reason is, as SeeTeeZip states, LOCATION. I, for one, look forward to this new UA game day experience. Will it be more time consuming and expensive? Absolutely. But I believe it will also be far more rewarding and enjoyable. When I made the trip to Syracuse this year, even with the 'Cuse being down, I witnessed a mid-sized college city that I believe serves as a perfect model for what UA and the City could achieve here. In Syracuse there are lots of eateries/pubs to enjoy on gameday and countless pockets of tailgating. The atmosphere was exactly what college football should be all about. If we can create an experience that is even 75% of what is available at Syracuse, we will be the envy of the MAC, whether our rivals will want to admit it or not. I actually think it could be so appealing that OPPONENTS will travel in greater numbers to Akron once good word of mouth spreads.So, in essence, SeeTee, I agree with you for the most part. Too many of us our looking at this gift stadium in the mouth.

if i was a WINKING LIZARD big shot i'd be buying some space along Exchange...BW3 is crazy if they don't expand...that location is a gold mine on game days...

Ohh yes....a LOT of change will be happening on Exchange with the addition of the INFO. Can't wait to see what bars start to pop up. and the best part is.....ITS RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM MY DORM! hooray for underage drinking!

I, for one, pray that Exchange gets a complete overhaul asap. Was just there for the first time in a few years and yeesh, the place looks way slummier than I can remember. Many houses about to cave in, outlaw biker looking types at Plasma Center, nowhere to go other than BW-3's. The dazed chick walking aimlessly at Speedway with the house arrest ankle bracelet was interesting....

Dont forget the odd corner head shop!

has anyone seen the new spicer village? the place looks amazing especially given where it's located. I've said it before and I'll say it again this University is the only reason the city of Akron isn't a complete trash dump and why I'm am so proud/excited to be living here for some years to come

Yeah it is nice. And I couldn't agree more about the university and its effect on the city. That's why I can't understand the small population of people who are against the university's use of eminent domain. I for one, would love to see the UA buy up more property around exchange. God knows it needs a major face lift.

[ZippyTuba11]

Yeah it is nice. And I couldn't agree more about the university and its effect on the city. That's why I can't understand the small population of people who are against the university's use of eminent domain. I for one, would love to see the UA buy up more property around exchange. God knows it needs a major face lift.

It's the principle that you can take almost anything from somebody and still get them on your side. However, the one universal thing you cannot take away from somebody is their land.

[ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net]

Yeah it is nice. And I couldn't agree more about the university and its effect on the city. That's why I can't understand the small population of people who are against the university's use of eminent domain. I for one, would love to see the UA buy up more property around exchange. God knows it needs a major face lift.

It's the principle that you can take almost anything from somebody and still get them on your side. However, the one universal thing you cannot take away from somebody is their land.

That's pure silliness Zippy Tuba. At least until the US Supreme Court revisits the issue, eminent domain used by municipalities and states to take land for the common good is the law of the land, as it was used in this instance by the university. On philosophical grounds you're wrong, and in practical terms you're wrong in this case. The land in question was without a doubt blighted, and those who have negotiated with the university came away like bandits, especially those scum bag Nemers'. This country is loaded with blighted urban areas and the use of eminent domain has been a godsend in many of those areas. It's a tough break if you really, really wanted to live in a dump in a blighted area, but it's a mean, mean world out there, and with the economy going the way it has been of late, eminent domain and the equity of such will be one of the last things we're all thinking about a year from now. Of course, the Nemers will be doing better than all of us here, having converted blighted and close-to-bankrupt shells into million dollar+ settlements.Don't think for a minute that I will waste even one atom of worry over those who moved away from that block when I'm sitting in InfoSumma next Fall. GO ZIPS!SeeTeeZipper

[zipseuph]

Yeah it is nice. And I couldn't agree more about the university and its effect on the city. That's why I can't understand the small population of people who are against the university's use of eminent domain. I for one, would love to see the UA buy up more property around exchange. God knows it needs a major face lift.

It's the principle that you can take almost anything from somebody and still get them on your side. However, the one universal thing you cannot take away from somebody is their land.

That's pure silliness Zippy Tuba. At least until the US Supreme Court revisits the issue, eminent domain used by municipalities and states to take land for the common good is the law of the land, as it was used in this instance by the university. On philosophical grounds you're wrong, and in practical terms you're wrong in this case. The land in question was without a doubt blighted, and those who have negotiated with the university came away like bandits, especially those scum bag Nemers'. This country is loaded with blighted urban areas and the use of eminent domain has been a godsend in many of those areas. It's a tough break if you really, really wanted to live in a dump in a blighted area, but it's a mean, mean world out there, and with the economy going the way it has been of late, eminent domain and the equity of such will be one of the last things we're all thinking about a year from now. Of course, the Nemers will be doing better than all of us here, having converted blighted and close-to-bankrupt shells into million dollar+ settlements.Don't think for a minute that I will waste even one atom of worry over those who moved away from that block when I'm sitting in InfoSumma next Fall. GO ZIPS!SeeTeeZipper

I think you miss understand what zippytuba is trying to say. you can take a lot of things from people and still have them on your side but you cannot take their land and still be friends is what I think he was trying to get at. if I'm wrong feel free to tell me but if not I'll at least have had the common courtesy to make sure I understood someone’s point of view before I laid into them.

[ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net]

Yeah it is nice. And I couldn't agree more about the university and its effect on the city. That's why I can't understand the small population of people who are against the university's use of eminent domain. I for one, would love to see the UA buy up more property around exchange. God knows it needs a major face lift.

It's the principle that you can take almost anything from somebody and still get them on your side. However, the one universal thing you cannot take away from somebody is their land.

That's pure silliness Zippy Tuba. At least until the US Supreme Court revisits the issue, eminent domain used by municipalities and states to take land for the common good is the law of the land, as it was used in this instance by the university. On philosophical grounds you're wrong, and in practical terms you're wrong in this case. The land in question was without a doubt blighted, and those who have negotiated with the university came away like bandits, especially those scum bag Nemers'. This country is loaded with blighted urban areas and the use of eminent domain has been a godsend in many of those areas. It's a tough break if you really, really wanted to live in a dump in a blighted area, but it's a mean, mean world out there, and with the economy going the way it has been of late, eminent domain and the equity of such will be one of the last things we're all thinking about a year from now. Of course, the Nemers will be doing better than all of us here, having converted blighted and close-to-bankrupt shells into million dollar+ settlements.Don't think for a minute that I will waste even one atom of worry over those who moved away from that block when I'm sitting in InfoSumma next Fall. GO ZIPS!SeeTeeZipper

I think you miss understand what zippytuba is trying to say. you can take a lot of things from people and still have them on your side but you cannot take their land and still be friends is what I think he was trying to get at. if I'm wrong feel free to tell me but if not I'll at least have had the common courtesy to make sure I understood someone’s point of view before I laid into them.

I'm not sure I misunderstood his point. He was answering why there are those whose feelings will be hurt by eminent domain, and in terms GWB would understand best, will be "agin ya" thereafter. I was responding to that notion with my belief that such ideas are pure silliness. It's not about whether Zippy Tuba feels that way or not, it's a response to the general complaint about eminent domain from those who are uninformed. If I misunderstood, of course I will be shown the error of my ways via flame posts and will take back what I said. GO ZIPS!SeeTeeZipper

[ZippyTuba11]

That's pure silliness Zippy Tuba. At least until the US Supreme Court revisits the issue, eminent domain used by municipalities and states to take land for the common good is the law of the land, as it was used in this instance by the university. On philosophical grounds you're wrong, and in practical terms you're wrong in this case. The land in question was without a doubt blighted, and those who have negotiated with the university came away like bandits, especially those scum bag Nemers'. This country is loaded with blighted urban areas and the use of eminent domain has been a godsend in many of those areas. It's a tough break if you really, really wanted to live in a dump in a blighted area, but it's a mean, mean world out there, and with the economy going the way it has been of late, eminent domain and the equity of such will be one of the last things we're all thinking about a year from now. Of course, the Nemers will be doing better than all of us here, having converted blighted and close-to-bankrupt shells into million dollar+ settlements.Don't think for a minute that I will waste even one atom of worry over those who moved away from that block when I'm sitting in InfoSumma next Fall. GO ZIPS!SeeTeeZipper

Actually I think you did miss the point a bit. I for one believe that removing those places is a huge boon for the city. However, I could get into a large argument with you on the ethical issues of eminent domain, as there are many sides to this issue. This, however is not the place for it. My point was I can see why some people are spurned by it. You can take just about anything away from somebody and they will get over it, but take away their land and they will never forgive you. Ironically it is something I am studying right now in my ethics class. Their land is their home and a person's home is a person's home no matter how much of a dump it is. Sometimes though, people need a good push to see what is good for themselves and their fellow man.

It's not about whether Zippy Tuba feels that way or not, it's a response to the general complaint about eminent domain from those who are uninformed. If I misunderstood, of course I will be shown the error of my ways via flame posts and will take back what I said.

Who is flaming whom?

[bobbyake]

Can we get back to the topic? I think Info will average 25k per game for the first 5 years. After UA fires JD for only being able to win 50% of the time against MAC teams, we'll get a new coach that can dominate in the MAC and make another conference actually have interest in us. Years 5-10 should average around 30k.

[ksu sucks]

Can we get back to the topic? I think Info will average 25k per game for the first 5 years. After UA fires JD for only being able to win 50% of the time against MAC teams, we'll get a new coach that can dominate in the MAC and make another conference actually have interest in us. Years 5-10 should average around 30k.

..and we all lived happily ever after..