ESPN Analysis of C.Frye

[airtime]

• Charlie Frye (Akron)

Vital statistics: 6-foot-3 7/8, 225 pounds, 4.76 in the 40.

Numbers game: Started in all but two of his 46 career appearances. Completed 913 of 1,436 passes for 11,049 yards, with 64 touchdown passes and 32 interceptions. Had 375 rushes for 429 yards and 19 touchdowns. Holds every school passing record and threw for 2,000-plus yards in all four seasons. Was All-Mid-America Conference twice, three times was his team's offensive player of the year, and twice was a captain.

Upside: Good size and stature, good enough arm strength, and has been productive every season as a four-year starter. Admirable work habits, a student of the game, knows what everyone's role on the field is supposed to be. A leader in the huddle. Nice accuracy and touch. Excellent vision, sees the field well, and usually makes good decisions. Pretty good delivery. Tough guy, durable, will play hurt.

Downside: Doesn't get many RPMs on the ball, even in the 15- to 18-yard range and will need to somehow upgrade his fastball. Doesn't handle the quick, inside pressure well and will hurry passes, and throw into a crowd, in those situations. Delivery is a bit sluggish. His 40-yard time, better than expected, doesn't translate into elusiveness. There are some scouts who question his leadership.

The dish: A lot of positive buzz a month or so ago, but some of that has quieted, maybe because teams have put him under the microscope more. There is a perception that he is the next standout quarterback from the MAC, but he doesn't appear to be in the same class as Chad Pennington, Byron Leftwich or Ben Roethlisberger. Study him on tape and he sure looks pretty ordinary. He could go as high as the second round, given what some teams are still saying about him, but we obviously think that's way too high.

[Z-P]

That's why I listen exclusively to Fox.

ESPN the rag also did the small hands piece.

(Insert your favorite "F word" here) them..............

Did I really just say that? :blink:

[GP1]

• Charlie Frye (Akron)

Vital statistics: 6-foot-3 7/8, 225 pounds, 4.76 in the 40.

Numbers game: Started in all but two of his 46 career appearances. Completed 913 of 1,436 passes for 11,049 yards, with 64 touchdown passes and 32 interceptions. Had 375 rushes for 429 yards and 19 touchdowns. Holds every school passing record and threw for 2,000-plus yards in all four seasons. Was All-Mid-America Conference twice, three times was his team's offensive player of the year, and twice was a captain.

Upside: Good size and stature, good enough arm strength, and has been productive every season as a four-year starter. Admirable work habits, a student of the game, knows what everyone's role on the field is supposed to be. A leader in the huddle. Nice accuracy and touch. Excellent vision, sees the field well, and usually makes good decisions. Pretty good delivery. Tough guy, durable, will play hurt.

Downside: Doesn't get many RPMs on the ball, even in the 15- to 18-yard range and will need to somehow upgrade his fastball. Doesn't handle the quick, inside pressure well and will hurry passes, and throw into a crowd, in those situations. Delivery is a bit sluggish. His 40-yard time, better than expected, doesn't translate into elusiveness. There are some scouts who question his leadership.

The dish: A lot of positive buzz a month or so ago, but some of that has quieted, maybe because teams have put him under the microscope more. There is a perception that he is the next standout quarterback from the MAC, but he doesn't appear to be in the same class as Chad Pennington, Byron Leftwich or Ben Roethlisberger. Study him on tape and he sure looks pretty ordinary. He could go as high as the second round, given what some teams are still saying about him, but we obviously think that's way too high.

I would like to thank ESPN for copying ideas out of my posts about 5 for the past nine months. The one thing they all are missing is the lack of winning.

I have a brother who coached college for many years and coached at Maryland for a few. His comment to me at the OU game last year was that 5 was "average". While I think he is a little better than average, you all know I was never a true believer, I believe this ESPN analysis is exactly correct with the exception that I think 5 appeared to be much faster than his 40 time showed.

[Zipsrifle]

Yea, I saw this review. First of all, I don’t think these guys watched many game films of Frye. Second of all, IMO, they just don’t think that someone from crappy Akron can be any good. “Need to upgrade his fastballâ€. If I remember correctly, 5 threw a bullet in the Senior bowl that one of the receivers couldn’t handle. I also don’t know about the comment about not being able to handle the pressure. He handled it pretty well getting chased all over the field for 4 years. There was also a comment about “Usually makes good decisionsâ€. This is what really impressed me with Frye, I thought he did an outstanding job of taking care of the ball and tip toeing down the sidelines for a few extra yards. I also like the comment about “admirable work habitsâ€. WTF! Admirable! He’s been working is A$$ off since he arrived in Akron. This last part really makes me think they just don’t think too highly of 5 and surfed the internet to get info on him.

What got me about this entire column was all the blurbs about their high school accomplishments. If you notice, Adrian McPherson is ranked behind Frye. The first half of his “Number Game†starts out with the fact how great an athlete he was in HS and how he was Mr. Football and Mr. Basketball his senior year in HS. Sure he’s only started 4 games for talent rich FSU, that means he’s got to be as good as Frye. How does this correlate to how he will do in the pros? Don’t get me wrong, athleticism is obviously a huge part of being successful in the NFL, but 5 has performed in college for 4 years with the number to prove it. No need to fall back on his HS accomplishments.

I know I’m biased. Again, time will tell who’s right. I really thought that Big Ben was downplayed too, I just hope 5 has the same success. I agree that he isn’t the greatest QB to ever play the game, but you know very few of these guys have spent the time to actually see what 5 did at Akron. IMO, they just don’t want to waste their time on someone from a school nobody cares about.

[Kangaroo Craig]

They obviously didn't ask Bob Pruett of Marshall for his opinion. He coached against all of those QB's and he thinks that Frye is not only in the same class with those other MAC QB's, but that he is the top QB in this years class. I wonder if those same dumbasses from ESPN were watching the Akron Marshall game that they televised last November. I like Alex Smith, but I have a feeling that Aaron Rogers is more of a product of the system than a great player. Just a gut feel. Kyle Boller was a product of that same system and he has struggled mightily in the NFL. I going to predict right now that Rogers will be a bust just like Leaf, Smith, and Couch.

[Zips Win!]

Again, he may be average, but to say that after the OU game is ridiculous.

He was running for his life the whole game and with the game on the line and the Zips holding a small lead, Frye led the offense on one of the best drives of his career.

Under unbelievable duress, he completed 3 third and long situations, capping it off with an unbelievable pass and catch in the endzone.

Somehow, this will be belittled, too.

[Buckzip]

ESPiN sucks. I don't pay any attention to them anymore.

They pick out teams, schools, individuals to pick on, and don't let up.

[GP1]

Again, he may be average, but to say that after the OU game is ridiculous.

He was running for his life the whole game and with the game on the line and the Zips holding a small lead, Frye led the offense on one of the best drives of his career.

Under unbelievable duress, he completed 3 third and long situations, capping it off with an unbelievable pass and catch in the endzone.

Somehow, this will be belittled, too.

I think you just belittled him for me. Using one drive in an otherwise unremarkable OU game says a lot about what we saw the past four years. Bubbles of greatness in a sea of average play. OU absolutely stunk and a MAC QB like Limpwich would have dismantled that team with nine guys.

I'm not sure if everyone gets it yet. If he was that good, he SHOULD make plays like that against OU at a minumum.

[Dave in Green]

The interesting thing about Charlie Frye is the wide diversity of opinion -- from both the pro and amateur talent scouts -- about his potential in the NFL. Some rate him as the best overall QB in the draft while others say he's overrated at number 3 or 4. Who's right?

Truth is, nobody really knows, no matter how sure they are of their own opinions. There are too many variables and intangibles. Some of the greatest players in NFL history were not recognized as such in the draft. Some players peak in college, while others keep on growing. Physical attributes are easily measurable while other attributes are less so.

Many years ago I was a college student at a small school in the deep south. There wasn't much to do in that little town, so my Dad and I would go out and sit in the stands and watch football practice. The QB had a certain presence that really impressed us. He had some amazing game performances, but all against small college competition. Still, he was good enough that some said he might go in the first round of the draft. In fact, he was the number one draft pick -- first time a small college QB ever achieved that. You might have guessed by now that it was Terry Bradshaw.

I really didn't get to see Charlie Frye play until his senior season. The first time I saw him drop back in the pocket I about fell out of my seat. It was obvious to me that he was an NFL quarterback among college players. The last time I had that feeling was about 35 years ago in Ruston, Louisiana.

I think Charlie Frye is the real thing. But I'm just an amateur talent scout, and my opinion counts no more than anyone else's. The fact that Charlie Frye's presence on a football field reminds me so much of Terry Bradshaw is no guarantee that he will make it in the NFL.

But I have this gut level feeling that if Charlie Frye continues to want it as badly as he has up to this point in his life, and if he continues to work and improve as he has up to this point in his life, he surely has the potential to be a winning NFL QB. The most critical thing now is that he ends up with a team that can provide the environment for him to continue to grow and improve to the limits of his abilities. That's what I wish most for him, because, above all, I think he is a good person who deserves to be rewarded for giving everything he has to be a winner.

[Ryno aka Menace]

Well said,

If I was him I would do what Jason Taylor did, hire someone to help develop my skills as a quarterback and as an athlete. He will do great, I feel the same way homie, I came home to check out a game and saw Charlie play and I was like damn dude can move and make things happen. No doubt about it he can play...and here is something that people forget...no slam on the AU receivers but, there ain't no Randy Mosses, Terrell Owens, out there, there ain't no Marvin Harrisons or burners like Joey Galloway. Mark my words "HE WILL START IN THE NFL!!!"