Did anyone else see what Nicely did on the end zone fumble?

[akronad]

I have to agree with Dave & Keener. I also was willing to give PN the benefit of the doubt, but after watching Saturday's debacle, I really believe we need to get Rogers in at QB,if he is healthy. I can't believe that he would be any worse than what we have seen thru the first half of the season.

[Zip Watcher]

Back to the original comment about the fumble and "shovel pass" or whatever that was:

By rule in college football, if he regained possession in the endzone while on the ground, shouldn't the play have been ruled a safety? He clearly gains possession enough to then try and throw or roll the ball out? If he's on the ground in the endzone, that was a 2 point safety, and not a TD, regardless of what happened after he regained possession.

I don't have the stomach to look for a replay, but wasn't he on the ground when he grabbed the ball?

[ZachTheZip]

Back to the original comment about the fumble and "shovel pass" or whatever that was:

By rule in college football, if he regained possession in the endzone while on the ground, shouldn't the play have been ruled a safety? He clearly gains possession enough to then try and throw or roll the ball out? If he's on the ground in the endzone, that was a 2 point safety, and not a TD, regardless of what happened after he regained possession.

I don't have the stomach to look for a replay, but wasn't he on the ground when he grabbed the ball?

He was down. And the Can't players were signaling to the refs to call a safety, but nobody blew the whistle. Then Nicely shoved the ball away and a Can't player picked it up, walked into the endzone after 80% of the players on the field thought the play was over, and the refs called it a TD. And Ianello never challenged.

[skip-zip]

Back to the original comment about the fumble and "shovel pass" or whatever that was:

By rule in college football, if he regained possession in the endzone while on the ground, shouldn't the play have been ruled a safety? He clearly gains possession enough to then try and throw or roll the ball out? If he's on the ground in the endzone, that was a 2 point safety, and not a TD, regardless of what happened after he regained possession.

I don't have the stomach to look for a replay, but wasn't he on the ground when he grabbed the ball?

He was laying on his stomach, and reached out and pulled the ball against his chest with two hands. I can't even guess right now how long he held it there, or how long he would have had to hold it there for play to be whistled.

Not sure if it was a challengable call. But if it was, I think its a major mistake not to challenge it, with the game essentially being over if the touchdown counts.

[UAZip0510]

Back to the original comment about the fumble and "shovel pass" or whatever that was:

By rule in college football, if he regained possession in the endzone while on the ground, shouldn't the play have been ruled a safety? He clearly gains possession enough to then try and throw or roll the ball out? If he's on the ground in the endzone, that was a 2 point safety, and not a TD, regardless of what happened after he regained possession.

I don't have the stomach to look for a replay, but wasn't he on the ground when he grabbed the ball?

He was definitely down. I guarantee you this much - had he actually gotten the ball to another Zip to avoid the safety, Can't would have challenged it. Absolutely mind-boggling that he didn't challenge it.

[ohiovarsity]

Not sure this will help too much, but here's a clip of the play from the end zone:

http://vmedia.rivals.com/uploads/1182%5C1003845.wmv

I haven't seen the play from the other angle, but I think it comes down to one of two situations:

1. Nicely gets stripped and pounces on the loose ball. Apparently he doesn't gain possession as Akron No. 71 reaches down for the ball, at which time two Can't State players dive in as well. From there, it's a scrum and Can't State No. 30 ends up with the ball.

OR

2. Nicely gets stripped then gains control of the ball and should have been called down. Akron No. 71 took the ball away from him, but could not control it. The two Can't State players knocked it free and Can't State No. 30 comes up with it.

Either way, I think the officials should have reviewed the play, especially considering the magnitude of the situation.

Personally, I think situation No. 1 above is probably closer to the truth, although it's hard to tell if Nicely does get possession. It "looks" like he does, but it's just odd that No. 71 would reach down and pick it up out of his hands. Not only that, but it doesn't look like Nicely's arms get tugged as if another player was pulling the ball out of his hands.

Again, I haven't seen a replay from the front, so it's hard to tell.

[ohiovarsity]

Guess I should have watched my TIVO first.

I fast forwarded to the play and it's very clear Nicely was down in the end zone. Should have been a safety.

I'm not sure why he shot putted the ball forward...maybe he thought the play was over...but he had possession and he was down.

The officials definitely should have reviewed that play.

[ZachTheZip]

Guess I should have watched my TIVO first.

I fast forwarded to the play and it's very clear Nicely was down in the end zone. Should have been a safety.

I'm not sure why he shot putted the ball forward...maybe he thought the play was over...but he had possession and he was down.

The officials definitely should have reviewed that play.

And the coach definitely should have challenged.

I thought all scoring plays were automatically reviewed?