Zips-Miami

[johnnyzip84]

ESPN Story on the game

[skip-zip]

Second straight game Nicely ends the game with a turnover.

Winners win and losers lose. Nicely is a loser.

iCoach is a loser.

Should never ahve wasted that last time out. What an idiotic decision.

I agree. If we had that one timeout, Miami would have had to punt again. Which was a lot better option than trying to overturn a fumble call that happened while a receiver was clearly upright on both feet running with the football.

[RootforRoo44]

Second straight game Nicely ends the game with a turnover.

Winners win and losers lose. Nicely is a loser.

iCoach is a loser.

Should never ahve wasted that last time out. What an idiotic decision.

I agree. If we had that one timeout, Miami would have had to punt again. Which was a lot better option than trying to overturn a fumble call that happened while a receiver was clearly upright on both feet running with the football.

Not only would we have had time but Miami was punting from deep in their territory and into the wind. We could have had 30 seconds and a few shots at the endzone after just one first down. Probably unlikely with how bad our passing game is but you never know.

Stupid moves on little things like that are not supposed to be made by Division 1 college coaches. We've seen these kind of things more than once this year as well.

[cornbread]

Second straight game Nicely ends the game with a turnover.

Winners win and losers lose. Nicely is a loser.

iCoach is a loser.

Should never ahve wasted that last time out. What an idiotic decision.

I agree. If we had that one timeout, Miami would have had to punt again. Which was a lot better option than trying to overturn a fumble call that happened while a receiver was clearly upright on both feet running with the football.

Not only would we have had time but Miami was punting from deep in their territory and into the wind. We could have had 30 seconds and a few shots at the endzone after just one first down. Probably unlikely with how bad our passing game is but you never know.

Stupid moves on little things like that are not supposed to be made by Division 1 college coaches. We've seen these kind of things more than once this year as well.

Totally disagree with you.

Taking the timeout there with a slight hope to have the call reversed was the best chance at victory.

College football has a 40 sec play clock. Play was stopped after the fumble with 1:46 and the Zips had their 1 timeout.

Here is your best case scenario:

• 1st down. Miami runs the ball 5 secs of play. We call a time out. Clock @ 1:41
  
• 2nd down. Miami runs the ball. 5 secs of play. 38 secs of play clock. Clock @ 0:57
  
• 3rd down. Miami takes a knee. 38 secs of play clock....
  

And now we are at the point of them punting the ball. Clock is @ 19 seconds. 3-4 secs of hang time... Burney catches it with around 15 secs on the clock around their 45 yard line.

Now, compare that with the best case scenario. The zebras got the call wrong and LaFrance didn't actually catch the ball and its 4th and 9 @ Miami's 13.

What is your best chance at winning the game? I give iCoach credit for making what I think is the right call. I think we can all agree that none of these are good options, but they were the options in front of him at the time when he called the timeout.

• Nicely leading the team on a 45 yard march in 15 secs?
  
• Burney taking it to the house?
  
• Passing for a TD from the 13?
  

[ZachTheZip]

The odds of us either running the punt back for a TD or converting a Hail Mary were much higher than that call getting overturned. It was an incredibly obvious fumble.

[Dave in Green]

All you advocates of both options have done a good job of convincing me that both options were about equally valid, and the odds against either option producing a positive result about equally high.

It's certainly valid to think that video replays might show that the receiver was slightly juggling the ball, and the officials might rule that he never had full possession and call it an incomplete pass.

It was far from a terrible call to risk the final timeout on a challenge, and it would have been far from a terrible call to hold the timeout to try to get the ball back with a few seconds left on the clock.

There are plenty of valid complaints to be made about some of the calls from the coaching staff this season, but this was not one of them.

[RootforRoo44]

The odds of us either running the punt back for a TD or converting a Hail Mary were much higher than that call getting overturned. It was an incredibly obvious fumble.

Yes, incredibly obvious to the three people in the upper deck even.

It was mind blowing that he blew that timeout. Also...

College football has a 40 sec play clock. Play was stopped after the fumble with 1:46 and the Zips had their 1 timeout.

Here is your best case scenario:

• 1st down. Miami runs the ball 5 secs of play. We call a time out. Clock @ 1:41
  
• 2nd down. Miami runs the ball. 5 secs of play. 38 secs of play clock. Clock @ 0:57
  
• 3rd down. Miami takes a knee. 38 secs of play clock....
  

That is entirely wrong. College football has a 25 second play clock so all of that is out the window. There would have been plenty of time.

[MDZip]

DJ Gallo included this little item in his column this week. When I first saw it, I was thinking that's kind of cool, perhaps he was equating it to the fact that he helped a team that is 0-10 not quit and give the team a chance to finally win a game until I read it and realized that he just wanted to remove the first r. D*ck.

Name of the Week

Gary Pride, WR, Akron: Think about it. Gary Pride is just one letter -- one small, innocent typo -- away from a major American city holding a huge parade in his honor. That's pretty awesome for a 5-foot-8 MAC receiver with 19 career receptions.

[akron football]

Second straight game Nicely ends the game with a turnover.

Winners win and losers lose. Nicely is a loser. Not that the coaching decision to waste our last timeout instead of using it to possibly get the ball back helped at all.

How did heend the game with a turnover? Did he catch it and fumble it? moron

[cornbread]

not so sure about the play clock. With a 25 sec play clock, why weren't they punting with 23 secs left on the clock?

Miami 1-10 at Miami08 MIAMI (OHIO) drive start at 01:46. = 106 secs

Miami 1-10 at Miami08 MERRIWEATHER, T rush for 2 yards to the MIAMI10 (THOMAS, Mike).

106 secs - 3 secs to run two yards - 25 play clock = 78 secs

Miami 2-8 at Miami10 MERRIWEATHER, T rush for 3 yards to the MIAMI13 (THOMAS, Mike;MARCOUX, Dan).

78 secs - 3 secs to run the ball - 25 sec play clock = 50 secs

Miami 3-5 at Miami13 TEAM rush for loss of 2 yards to the MIAMI11.

50 secs - 2 secs to kneel -25 sec play clock = 23 seconds

Drive: 3 plays, 3 yards, TOP 00:00

0 != 23 secs

It is confusing. I found this. They keep 2 clocks or something.

http://www.oficiales.org/A_2009/ncaa/NCAAI...Rule%20Book.pdf

[Dave in Green]

This is giving me a headache:

SECTION 29. Timing Devices

Game Clock

ARTICLE 1. The game clock is any device under the direction of the appropriate official used to time the 60 minutes of the game.

Play Clock

ARTICLE 2. Each stadium shall have a visual play clock at each end of the playing enclosure. The play clock must be capable of counting down from both 40 seconds and 25 seconds. It should automatically default to 40 seconds and start immediately upon being reset by the play-clock operator when any official signals that the ball is dead after a play.

Timing Devices

ARTICLE 4.

a. Game Clock. Playing time shall be kept with a game clock that may be either a stop watch operated by the line judge, back judge, field judge or side judge, or a game clock operated by an assistant under the direction of the appropriate judge. The type of game clock shall be determined by the game management.

b. 40-Second Clock.

1. When an official signals that the ball is dead, the play clock shall begin a 40-second count.

2. If the 40-second clock does not start or the count is interrupted for reasons beyond the control of the officials or the play-clock operator (e.g., clock malfunction), the referee shall stop the game clock and signal (both palms open in an over-the-head pumping motion) that the play clock should be reset at 40 seconds and started immediately.

3. In the event that the 40-second clock is running and the ball is not ready to be snapped after 20 seconds into the count, the referee shall declare a timeout and signal that the play clock be set at 25 seconds. When play is to be resumed, the referee will give the ready-for-play signal [s1] and the play clock shall begin the 25-second count. The game clock will start on the snap unless it had been running when the referee declared a timeout; in that case, it will start on the referee’s signal (Rule 3-3-2-f).

[K92]

Bottom line is this folks...We can argue all day when the last time out should have been called, but the simple fact is that time outs should be saved for critical spots in the game. They come in handy when you want to stop the clock. Or challenge a play call. Our team consistently wastes our time outs either in non-critical situations or to avoid a delay of game penalty because we can't seem to get a play called and lined up in time. It's been a recurring theme this year. Count on the Zips to totally suck at the fundamentals of sound clock management. I am sick of it. Junior High teams do a better job of managing the clock than we do.

[RootforRoo44]

Bottom line is this folks...We can argue all day when the last time out should have been called, but the simple fact is that time outs should be saved for critical spots in the game. They come in handy when you want to stop the clock. Or challenge a play call. Our team consistently wastes our time outs either in non-critical situations or to avoid a delay of game penalty because we can't seem to get a play called and lined up in time. It's been a recurring theme this year. Count on the Zips to totally suck at the fundamentals of sound clock management. I am sick of it. Junior High teams do a better job of managing the clock than we do.

Most middle school coaches have more head coaching experience than our coach...so that makes sense.