Zippy989 Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 http://www.collegefootballnews.com/2006/Ra...on_Bottom19.htm101 Tulane102 Ball State103 Eastern Michigan104 UL-Lafayette105 Utah State106 Middle Tennessee State107 San Jose State108 Arkansas State109 Idaho110 UL-Monroe111 North Texas112 Troy113 Rice114 Can't State115 New Mexico State116 Florida International117 Buffalo118 Florida Atlantic119 Temple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryno aka Menace Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 The only thing good about this is that we play these teams, the bad thing is this is half of our conference so it hurts when we try to earn respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobC2 Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 Yeah, the Zips have an automatic 3 victories per season in Can't State, Temple & Buffalo. Can't's a fun game in that it's a big rivalry and it's a party beating up on them so bad! Then Miami and Ohio are always big games and with BGSU in the MAC East now, that's another important game. I enjoy MAC football! But you're right - Can't, Buffalo & Temple are pretty awful!Q: With Temple in the MAC East now, is BGSU moving back to the West? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RACER Posted January 19, 2006 Report Share Posted January 19, 2006 i think temple down the road might be ok in the mac. there will plenty of opportunites for them to win games. i just think in the old conference there was little chance for them to win games. does anyone know who are cross over games are. ball state i dont thinnk should be rated that low. they seem to turn it around towards the end of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipsrifle Posted January 19, 2006 Report Share Posted January 19, 2006 I'm just glad we're not on that list.....I know, it's hard to shake the old mentality. BTW, Ball State beat us last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xu9697 Posted January 19, 2006 Report Share Posted January 19, 2006 This information is exactly why, when the Big East breaks up, that Akron has to be a program on the rise and in position to join!The Big East will probably take 2 MAC teams when that time comes (5 years or so), and we will be competing with Toledo, OU and Miami for those 2 spots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msopher Posted January 19, 2006 Report Share Posted January 19, 2006 Probably BG and NIU will also be in consideration Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valpo Zip Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 How does this conference thing work ?How can we move into a better conference ? is it by invitation or what ?and does the move happen in all sports or one by one ? i mean can we play in the big east in football and in the mac in basketball ?can anyone explain ? thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryno aka Menace Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 As far as i know you have to be invited to play in a conference and yes you can be in one conference for football and in another conference for basketball. For example this is the Big East's Basketball conferenceWest Virginia 5-0 13-3 Pittsburgh 4-0 15-0 Connecticut 3-1 15-1 Villanova 3-1 12-2 Syracuse 3-1 15-3 Georgetown 3-2 11-4 Marquette 3-2 13-5 Cincinnati 2-2 13-5 Rutgers 2-2 12-5 St. John's 2-2 9-6 Louisville 1-3 13-4 Notre Dame 1-3 10-5 Seton Hall 1-3 9-6 DePaul 1-4 8-8 Providence 0-4 7-8 South Florida And this is the Football List:West Virginia 7-0 11-1 Louisville 5-2 9-3 Rutgers 4-3 7-5 South Florida 4-3 6-6 Pittsburgh 4-3 5-6 Connecticut 2-5 5-6 Cincinnati 2-5 4-7 SyracuseAlso keep in mind Temple was kicked out of the conference! So if we would make that jump we need to make sure things are in place so that we can compete and stay! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xu9697 Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 How does this conference thing work ?How can we move into a better conference ? is it by invitation or what ?and does the move happen in all sports or one by one ? i mean can we play in the big east in football and in the mac in basketball ?can anyone explain ? thanks in advance. Typically there are buy outs...I don't know what type of system the MAC has set up, but Akron would have to buy its way out of the conference.Many sports analysts are predicting the Big East will break-up in about 5 years. At that time, the 8 Div 1 football members will invite in 4 new members for all sports. The Big East would then be able to have a football championship game.So, when the Big East comes calling, they will look at success of football & basketball, success of other sports, academics, venues & the city. I don't really think Northern Illinois is a good fit= further away (UConn to N Illinois is pretty far) and I'm not sure if they fit the overall profile. BG might fit the profile, but they would need to improve their basketball facilities for certain. OU and Miami have the college town similarities to UConn and Morgantown, while Akron and Toledo have the medium city similarities to Syracuse, Pittsburgh (which is obviously bigger) and Louisville. OU has a great basketball facility, but would need more seating for football to join the BE. Miami has the facility for football, but not for basketball (though there are talks of renovating). Toledo's football facility is nice, and may be big enough= though, I'm guessing BE would want 30,000 minimum capacity. Never been to Savage, but I know it seats 9,000+.So, Akron building a 30,000+ football facility would be a huge step. They would also need a plan to renovate/build basketball arena to seat 10,000 or so. Perhaps they could use Quicken Loans for a couple of bigger games until a bball arena is built. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToledoRockets Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 You guys will not be attractive to the Big East. Period. You have one MAC title and a 7-6 record to use as your poster board. No MAC titles in basketball. It is not going to happen.The Big East will likely take two MAC schools and a couple of Conference USA schools. I am not saying it will be Toledo, but we do have the history of success and way more household recognition than Akron.Just worry about trying to not go 6-6 next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziplock Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 You guys will not be attractive to the Big East. Period. You have one MAC title and a 7-6 record to use as your poster board. No MAC titles in basketball. It is not going to happen.The Big East will likely take two MAC schools and a couple of Conference USA schools. I am not saying it will be Toledo, but we do have the history of success and way more household recognition than Akron.Just worry about trying to not go 6-6 next year.No, you are not saying it, but your coaching staff is "saying" it to potential recruits.You have a great program. So why does your Head Coach engage in "puffing"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToledoRockets Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 I don't think he said, "We will be moving to the Big East", he said, "...we have a chance to move to the Big East." It is common knowledge around these parts that there has been discussion and once our merger with Medical University of Ohio is completed in July, I believe that talks will resume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zippy989 Posted January 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 You guys will not be attractive to the Big East. Period. You have one MAC title and a 7-6 record to use as your poster board. No MAC titles in basketball. It is not going to happen.The Big East will likely take two MAC schools and a couple of Conference USA schools. I am not saying it will be Toledo, but we do have the history of success and way more household recognition than Akron.Just worry about trying to not go 6-6 next year.Yup.. you're right on with that analysis.. afterall CUSA only took the MAC's best in Marshall and Central Florida Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 You guys will not be attractive to the Big East. Period. You have one MAC title and a 7-6 record to use as your poster board. No MAC titles in basketball. It is not going to happen.The Big East will likely take two MAC schools and a couple of Conference USA schools. I am not saying it will be Toledo, but we do have the history of success and way more household recognition than Akron.Just worry about trying to not go 6-6 next year. I'm sure the people in New England can't wait for the big Toledo vs. Marshall basketball match up to determine last place in the Big East West Division. There is not a ONE MAC school that could leave to go to a conference like the Big East and expect to compete for a conference championship in any sport.UCONN, WVU, Pittsburgh and Louisville are better than every MAC school in the sports that really count.....football and basketball. Save me the OU beat Pitt nonsense. That will never happen again. As bad as Syracuse has been in football recently, they could make a run at the MACC. If Notre Dame ever decides to join the Big East, they would be another team better than every MAC school.Sorry, I just have to laugh when I hear people from MAC schools seriously consider another conference like the Big East as reality. Hell, Marshall is getting killed in Conference DOA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToledoRockets Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 They are going to be looking for football powers as the Big East will be divided between football and basketball. For football, they are going to want traditionally strong programs to enhance their football conference. Only one team can be the conference champion at a time so it does not matter if there is any team right now that can win the Big East.If they are looking for football schools, they will be more apt to look at schools like Toledo and Miami. They are not going to look at schools like Akron with zero fan base, zero tradition, zero nationally-ranked seasons and even recently are only about 13-11 in the last two years.Make plans to build whatever on-campus stadium you want. It won't help you just like it does not help WMU, CMU, Ball State or Buffalo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipper Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 I hate to break it to you, TR, but they're going to be looking at schools with strong athletic-minded presidents and boards. Toledo just doesn't have that, and I heard this from people who are "in the know" about these things around the conference. There's generally two reasons ADs leave the MAC: either they're wildly successful or they're trying to escape. Your AD has a tough job - let's just put it that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToledoRockets Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 You have absolutely no idea what the hell you are talking about. If you really did know anything at all, you would know that we are no longer going to have our current president past July 1, 2006 anyway. The University of Toledo and the Medical University of Toledo, located two miles from UT Main Campus, are merging on July 1, 2006. This merger will make the University of Toledo the 3rd largest institution in the State of Ohio and the current president of the Medical University will be the new president of the entire university.The Big East is filled with Presidents that have very little clue about athletics. Just because you guys have a president that likes athletics does not mean that much. Why? Because it is still Akron and always will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipper Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 It just cracks me up that you think Toledo is some exceptionally fine institution of higher learning, or that is what will get you into the BE. You are a joke. No wonder your own peers are embarrassed by your posts.And your size matters squat if your administration isn't truly behind athletics. You have a great AD but he has been pulling his hair out trying to get things done around there. Toledo cannot be great until it has all the factors working in its favor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToledoRockets Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 I never said it is an exceptionally fine institution of higher learning. The comment was in reference to getting a new president. For your information, Akron is no Harvard. Akron is ranked in the lowest-tier of all national universities by US News and World Report. In addition, Akron is ranked #11 out of 12 MAC schools in the percentage of students who were ranked in the top-10% of their graduating class out of high school. In addition, it is not like the Big East is THAT worried about academic success as they did invite Cincinnati and Louisville which are not exactly lighting-up academia.Yes, Toledo has a great AD. Yes, there are sturggles. But, in case you don't read the national publications, Toledo already is perceived as being a great program. Not a wanna-be, like Akron. That is why Toledo has played on National TV a MAC Record 30 times to lowly Akron's Four Career appearances on National TV (one of which was 1986 when you were I-AA and ESPN was still an infant). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xu9697 Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 You guys will not be attractive to the Big East. Period. You have one MAC title and a 7-6 record to use as your poster board. No MAC titles in basketball. It is not going to happen.The Big East will likely take two MAC schools and a couple of Conference USA schools. I am not saying it will be Toledo, but we do have the history of success and way more household recognition than Akron.Just worry about trying to not go 6-6 next year.I'm sure the people in New England can't wait for the big Toledo vs. Marshall basketball match up to determine last place in the Big East West Division. There is not a ONE MAC school that could leave to go to a conference like the Big East and expect to compete for a conference championship in any sport.UCONN, WVU, Pittsburgh and Louisville are better than every MAC school in the sports that really count.....football and basketball. Save me the OU beat Pitt nonsense. That will never happen again. As bad as Syracuse has been in football recently, they could make a run at the MACC. If Notre Dame ever decides to join the Big East, they would be another team better than every MAC school.Sorry, I just have to laugh when I hear people from MAC schools seriously consider another conference like the Big East as reality. Hell, Marshall is getting killed in Conference DOA. UConn is solid, but where were they a few years ago? Oh yeah..not in Division I. Boston College, before Flutie, wasn't a huge team on the map. Now they are in the ACC (though probably a middle of the pack team). Virginia Tech= who were they 20 years ago? Heck, Miami, Fla was nothing until the early 80's.Those that think teams from the MAC can go to the Big East are visionaries= they see what can happen and what has happened at other programs. If you believe, as most sports analysts do, that the BE will not remain a 16 team conference and will add 4 football teams to 8 football schools...then I ask you:WHO WILL THEY TAKE?Memphis is a virtual lock. But other than that, you could make just as good of a case for a MAC school as any CUSA school. And, LOOK AT THE SCHEDULING= MAC schools are getting Big East schools and even lower-end Big 10 schools to play at their home stadiums. That wasn't happening much in the 70's-90's.The MAC has grown, and will continue to grow. But there is a ceiling, and the quality programs will have an avenue out. If you don't see that, you don't know what is going on in the current fabric of the NCAA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xu9697 Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 I never said it is an exceptionally fine institution of higher learning. The comment was in reference to getting a new president. For your information, Akron is no Harvard. Akron is ranked in the lowest-tier of all national universities by US News and World Report. In addition, Akron is ranked #11 out of 12 MAC schools in the percentage of students who were ranked in the top-10% of their graduating class out of high school. In addition, it is not like the Big East is THAT worried about academic success as they did invite Cincinnati and Louisville which are not exactly lighting-up academia.Yes, Toledo has a great AD. Yes, there are sturggles. But, in case you don't read the national publications, Toledo already is perceived as being a great program. Not a wanna-be, like Akron. That is why Toledo has played on National TV a MAC Record 30 times to lowly Akron's Four Career appearances on National TV (one of which was 1986 when you were I-AA and ESPN was still an infant). Why do you guys bother with this Rocket fan? Really. I made the mistake once. Yes, I read his posts b/c they are funny. But just skip over "talking" to him...it isn't worth your time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 You guys will not be attractive to the Big East. Period. You have one MAC title and a 7-6 record to use as your poster board. No MAC titles in basketball. It is not going to happen.The Big East will likely take two MAC schools and a couple of Conference USA schools. I am not saying it will be Toledo, but we do have the history of success and way more household recognition than Akron.Just worry about trying to not go 6-6 next year.I'm sure the people in New England can't wait for the big Toledo vs. Marshall basketball match up to determine last place in the Big East West Division. There is not a ONE MAC school that could leave to go to a conference like the Big East and expect to compete for a conference championship in any sport.UCONN, WVU, Pittsburgh and Louisville are better than every MAC school in the sports that really count.....football and basketball. Save me the OU beat Pitt nonsense. That will never happen again. As bad as Syracuse has been in football recently, they could make a run at the MACC. If Notre Dame ever decides to join the Big East, they would be another team better than every MAC school.Sorry, I just have to laugh when I hear people from MAC schools seriously consider another conference like the Big East as reality. Hell, Marshall is getting killed in Conference DOA. UConn is solid, but where were they a few years ago? Oh yeah..not in Division I. Boston College, before Flutie, wasn't a huge team on the map. Now they are in the ACC (though probably a middle of the pack team). Virginia Tech= who were they 20 years ago? Heck, Miami, Fla was nothing until the early 80's.Those that think teams from the MAC can go to the Big East are visionaries= they see what can happen and what has happened at other programs. If you believe, as most sports analysts do, that the BE will not remain a 16 team conference and will add 4 football teams to 8 football schools...then I ask you:WHO WILL THEY TAKE?Memphis is a virtual lock. But other than that, you could make just as good of a case for a MAC school as any CUSA school. And, LOOK AT THE SCHEDULING= MAC schools are getting Big East schools and even lower-end Big 10 schools to play at their home stadiums. That wasn't happening much in the 70's-90's.The MAC has grown, and will continue to grow. But there is a ceiling, and the quality programs will have an avenue out. If you don't see that, you don't know what is going on in the current fabric of the NCAA. I respect the optimism, but it would be years before any MAC school could compete for any Big East title in football or basketball (probably never in basketball). The question is then....Would you rather be a top notch MAC school or a middle to lower middle of the road Big East school with a chance to be good in 10-15 years. Believe me, I've seen my share of losing in football at Akron, anyone who wants to go through that again for a chance to win in 10-15 years is just insane. That's 10-15 years of no meaningful championships, no bowl games and no NCAA basketball births. Have fun Toledo, BGSU and Miami. The novelty of a conference like that would wear off after a couple of years and the fans would be absolutely miserable. Just watch how quickly the attendance at Marshall will decline in a couple of years after losing season after losing season in Conference USA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToledoRockets Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 The difference is that you can be 4th in the Big East and 19th in the country and in a good bowl with better exposure. In addition, the basketball version of the football Big East is not going to be that great compared to the basketball version of the Big East after the split.There are plenty of schools in every major conference that do not win their conference but are highly regarded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msopher Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 Let me put it this way:I got my bachelors and masters from Toledo.I am working on my PhD at Akron.And from my perspective, Akron gets the edge academically. Of course this is only in regards to the history department. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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