dreal1scout Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Wont know until they play the games, but I would hope to see the Zips competitive against Can't, Temple, EMU, FIU, VMI, CMU and Buffalo. Just to name 7. How many WILL they win? Maybe none. Maybe 7. Who knows. Give 'em a chance. There are a lot of newcomers that might just prove they can play. Maybe not. But as for me and my house, we are supporting the Zips. Me Too. And I'm not ruling out an upset over the Suckeyes. Gotta keep my hopes high and support the team no matter what. I believe holding the team to high expectations equals better team effort, hence more Wins. My experience leads me to beliveve this to be true. The effort players make is correlated to the expectations of their fans. We got good damn good players too! And we can beat the Suckeyes if the ZIPS give 100% best effort. GO ZIPS!! The Suckeyes Suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 Rivals has the Zips at 118. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipgrad01 Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 The last place predictions may be accurate. We got curb-stomped by Mount Union in a 7-on-7 last night. I know some of you will say that those are useless and should be indicative of anything, but just on talent alone MU shouldn't be able to compete. And while I do still believe that our players have more natural talent, I just don't think they know how to put in the effort it takes to be a winner. The coaches can only do so much and if the players aren't willing to do the work in the offseason then what can be done about it? Shades of Brookhart's coaching? Maybe the players really do think that the amount of effort they've been putting out the last couple of years is enough. Maybe they think that having talent is enough to skate by. But hard work and playing with a passion can beat talent head to head and it can take the talent you have and make it that much better. From what I've heard, the players here really do think they're working hard, but I just don't think they understand just what kind of level of dedication it takes to be great at what you do. I would really like to get some information on that 7 on 7 game, because that is just ridiculous if true. It is all over yappi and scout. Everyone is laughing their a$$es off that we got smoked by a D3 team. I know 7 on 7 doesn't mean much, but there is absolutely no reason that any D3 schools should even be able to compete with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 The last place predictions may be accurate. We got curb-stomped by Mount Union in a 7-on-7 last night. I know some of you will say that those are useless and should be indicative of anything, but just on talent alone MU shouldn't be able to compete. And while I do still believe that our players have more natural talent, I just don't think they know how to put in the effort it takes to be a winner. The coaches can only do so much and if the players aren't willing to do the work in the offseason then what can be done about it? Shades of Brookhart's coaching? Maybe the players really do think that the amount of effort they've been putting out the last couple of years is enough. Maybe they think that having talent is enough to skate by. But hard work and playing with a passion can beat talent head to head and it can take the talent you have and make it that much better. From what I've heard, the players here really do think they're working hard, but I just don't think they understand just what kind of level of dedication it takes to be great at what you do. I would really like to get some information on that 7 on 7 game, because that is just ridiculous if true. It is all over yappi and scout. Everyone is laughing their a$$es off that we got smoked by a D3 team. I know 7 on 7 doesn't mean much, but there is absolutely no reason that any D3 schools should even be able to compete with us. Nicely mentioned on Twitter after it happened that it was the first time the players got together after summer break. However, I think the same was the case with Mount. Really though, it's just an excuse. A competitor wouldn't make the excuse that it's just a 7 on 7 or that it's the first time back or whatever. I don't think our players tried too hard and were approaching this as a casual practice session, while the Mount players were treating it like an actual game with their Twitter statuses showing them fired up. Mount was there to win, Akron was there to play catch with friends. It speaks to the different mentalities present in the two teams. A competitor would show up to play and would give a full effort and wouldn't let themselves get beat not matter the level of competition, and I don't think our players did that. This is Ianello's greatest challenge, to change the losing mentality, the skate-by-on-minimal-effort mindset that permeates the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 I don't think our players tried too hard, and were approaching this as a casual practice session.Why? Because it was? Wow, your really on to something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 Just on talent alone, NASCAR drivers should always win exhibition go kart races held for charity but every once in a while they lose to a kid from the audience. Luckily, exhibition go kart races are as meaningless as 7 on 7 drills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ZachTheZip Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 Someone comes up to you and challenges you to a fight. You actually accept, but don't fight back. Does that make sense? If the team wanted to practice they could have just held a scrimmage against their second string. You don't invite someone over to beat your up. Akron has no competitive spirit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-mann17 Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 Someone comes up to you and challenges you to a fight. You actually accept, but don't fight back. Does that make sense? If the team wanted to practice they could have just held a scrimmage against their second string. You don't invite someone over to beat your up. Akron has no competitive spirit. Problem is it wasn't a fight, it was a 7on7 drill. First where is this information coming from? Gnomes no doubt. Second do you know what personel took part in the drill? How do you know it wasn't Zach and some other people who needed an opportunity to get some work in? The nice thing about practice, is that you can try a bunch of stuff and see if it works, and if it doesn't you don't lose anything except the sanity of a fear mongering fan or two who puts too much emphasis on things he hasn't seen with his own eyes and has no facts regarding the actual event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 The information about the drill is coming from both the Mount and UA players. Our starting skill position players participated. Do you know the players, do you talk to them? Some are my classmates. Also, it's not up to the players to "try a bunch of stuff and see if it works". That's for the coaches to figure out. This is for the team to work on plays that they should already know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 Blue Ribbon picks are in. East: 1. Ohio 2. Miami 3. Temple 4. Bowling Green 5. Can't State 6. Buffalo 7. Akron West: 1. Northern Ill. 2. Western Mich. 3. Toledo 4. Central Mich. 5. Ball State 6. Eastern Mich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdt1420 Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 Also, it's not up to the players to "try a bunch of stuff and see if it works". That's for the coaches to figure out. This is for the team to work on plays that they should already know. I don't post much, but this has to be one of the dumbest posts I've ever read. Coaches are supposed to figure things out... just not a practice? How exactly do coaches figure things out if not a practice? Draw it on a white board and then have Ianello run post patterns in the hallway? Hey, coach caught that pass against a phantom defense in the parking lot... let's put that in on gameday. Is there a smiley icon for someone saying "good GOD!" and slamming their head off their desk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 Mount Schmount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 Also, it's not up to the players to "try a bunch of stuff and see if it works". That's for the coaches to figure out. This is for the team to work on plays that they should already know. I don't post much, but this has to be one of the dumbest posts I've ever read. Coaches are supposed to figure things out... just not a practice? How exactly do coaches figure things out if not a practice? Draw it on a white board and then have Ianello run post patterns in the hallway? Hey, coach caught that pass against a phantom defense in the parking lot... let's put that in on gameday. Is there a smiley icon for someone saying "good GOD!" and slamming their head off their desk? This may be one of the dumbest posts I've ever read. Coaches aren't allowed to coach at 7 on 7s. They aren't allowed to hand the players a playbook. They aren't allowed to sit in the stands and watch. They aren't allowed to help set them up with another school. They aren't even technically supposed to know that a 7 on 7 even happened. Thus, the players can only work on what they already know at a 7 on 7. How the hell do you expect our coaches to try new things with our players when they can't have anything to do with these events? Telepathy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdt1420 Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 Also, it's not up to the players to "try a bunch of stuff and see if it works". That's for the coaches to figure out. This is for the team to work on plays that they should already know. I don't post much, but this has to be one of the dumbest posts I've ever read. Coaches are supposed to figure things out... just not a practice? How exactly do coaches figure things out if not a practice? Draw it on a white board and then have Ianello run post patterns in the hallway? Hey, coach caught that pass against a phantom defense in the parking lot... let's put that in on gameday. Is there a smiley icon for someone saying "good GOD!" and slamming their head off their desk? This may be one of the dumbest posts I've ever read. Coaches aren't allowed to coach at 7 on 7s. They aren't allowed to hand the players a playbook. They aren't allowed to sit in the stands and watch. They aren't allowed to help set them up with another school. They aren't even technically supposed to know that a 7 on 7 even happened. Thus, the players can only work on what they already know at a 7 on 7. How the hell do you expect our coaches to try new things with our players when they can't have anything to do with these events? Telepathy? If a tree falls in the woods... If a practice happens that no coaches are present at, and the players don't run the coach's plays at a high enough level of intensity... does anyone give a crap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 If a practice happens that no coaches are present at, and the players don't run the coach's plays at a high enough level of intensity... does anyone give a crap? The coach should. The players also should. They should know that laziness becomes a habit that will carry over into the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipgrad01 Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 Someone comes up to you and challenges you to a fight. You actually accept, but don't fight back. Does that make sense? If the team wanted to practice they could have just held a scrimmage against their second string. You don't invite someone over to beat your up. Akron has no competitive spirit. This is a great point. It is troubling for me as a former athlete to know that the players were so blase about getting their asses kicked by a bunch of glorified high school players. Obviously, Mounts players took it as a fight which is why they play for a title every year. Our players are so used to losing that they didnt even care to put up a fight. I don't care if it is cornhole, this doesn't give me a warm and fuzzy feeling about the leadership (player leadership) of our team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Ok, Zach. I am officially curious. I am a dinosaur not plugged into the ways college age kids operate. Zach, do you wish to provide some links to player social media so we can make some judgments about what happened at this exhibition? I am almost afraid to ask. I really might not like what I see. I can tell you this, fellow dinosaurs, there is a Zips player's facebook page I was exposed to that was actually shockingly immature and void of any evidence of leadership. While it was immediately very troubling to me, I guess I ultimately blew it off as generation gap. That was probably my one brush with the mindset of today's player mentality. I was not impressed. If you are actually plugged into the whole social media thing (which I am sure a great majority of ZNOers aren't) perhaps we would be upset too? I don't believe that losing a 7 on 7 is important. Poison attitudes are though. Zach? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Nicely's Tweet I can't find the MU players tweets, they're too far back for the search function. They came to play and played to win, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Thanks for trying, Zach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Snyder Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Someone comes up to you and challenges you to a fight. You actually accept, but don't fight back. Does that make sense? If the team wanted to practice they could have just held a scrimmage against their second string. You don't invite someone over to beat your up. Akron has no competitive spirit. This is a great point. It is troubling for me as a former athlete to know that the players were so blase about getting their asses kicked by a bunch of glorified high school players. Obviously, Mounts players took it as a fight which is why they play for a title every year. Our players are so used to losing that they didnt even care to put up a fight. I don't care if it is cornhole, this doesn't give me a warm and fuzzy feeling about the leadership (player leadership) of our team. In these kind of games without coaches...the QB assumes more of the leadership role. If anything...my confidence in Nicely has taken...uh red flag?? Guys who win titles are often very competitive ... even if it is tidily winks. So the lack of competitive spirit is concerning and the lack of leadership is also concerning. But....it was only a pick-up game and is really meaningless. Nicely probably does not a future in coaching and I am more convinced that Moore will eventually be the starter…even if Nicely is more physically gifted. Zach....not only will they try new versions to plays, they will have a different sequence of play calling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 The best case that we can hope for is that the loss kind of shocked Nicely and the rest of the team into realizing that it's going to take a whole other level of dedication if they want to win. I hope their workouts are more intense and their mentality is improved from this. I am not trying to call our skill players hopeless losers, rather I wanted to call them out in the hopes of making them realize that whatever amount of work they put in last year through the summer just isn't enough. Last summer, we got spanked by Ashland in a similar scenario. I saw it as a major red flag but most Zips fans were quick to dismiss it. Then we went 1-11. I'm seeing a pattern emerge here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 What has been Moore's level of participation in this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Moore was there and participated. However, Nicely was the one who set the match up and who assumed the leadership position. Nicely is also the one setting up future 7 on 7s. BTW, the score was 63-35. We lost to a D-III school by 4 TDs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Looks like Mack Brown is in BIG trouble. Here's an OVERVIEW of the 7-on-7 game for those (including me) who aren't that familiar with it. BTW, if anyone knows whether these unofficial college scrimmages deviate much from the AAU rules please advise. My take on the Mount thing is that while it's not great news to hear, it's probably doesn't have much impact on how the Zips will turn out this year. IMO, you're taking away what I believe will be the strength of the offense (Chisholm) in this setup. I do believe it may further highlight our questionable secondary, however. Hopefully we'll get some of the injured back and/or gain contributions from the incoming freshmen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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