Zipgrad1990 Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 Although I don't expect him to ever start again, Frye will get a chance elsewhere I'm sure, and will get to prove me and "other haters" wrong. And in the grand scheme of things, he's getting millions to play a wonderful game. I think he'll be fine no matter what.Why don't you think Frye will ever start again? I think the Browns need to sit BQ for at least half the season and hopefully all the season. That is the smart thing to do with rookie qbs! That means Frye (or Anderson) should start most if not all of next season.Why does everyone think Frye is leaving the Browns? Sure he would rather be the starter but he is a team player and I'm sure he will assume the role of backup when the Browns decide to start BQ.Frye's stats aren't that much worse then Peyton Manning at the same time in their careers. Now I don't think Charlie is in Peyton's league, but he has only had 16-17 starts under his belt and too many Brown's fans aren't giving him enough of a chance. I think Charlie might be able to be the starter on a team that emphasizes the run and has a good offensive line. (See Steelers of 2005). He at least should be a backup either with the Browns or elsewhere.My biggest problem with the BQ pick is the Browns have more pressing needs and qb could have been addressed next year if required. I would have stopped being a Browns fan if they would have picked up BQ with the third overall pick. However picking him up at number 22 is about where he should be. I just hope the Browns didn't overspend by giving away next year's number 1 pick. I'm no BQ fan, but we will see if he is the francise qb everyone hopes for. I just hope we don't see him play until 2008! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcperp Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 I'm perplexed that so many folks out there think Quinn's going to start from the get-go in Cleveland. Had he gone #3, he absolutely would have been the starter from day one, but barring injury or 10 exhibition season TD passes, it's going to be Frye under center. If the season starts 2-8, then yeah, try another QB, hell bring back Mike Pagel...uh maybe not. I love the Joe Thomas pick, and adding Steinbach gives the team their best line since coming back into the league. I would challenge nearly any NFL QB to be productive behind that porcelain OL the Browns had in 2006. Frye's intangibles are immense, and yes he made some bad decisions last year particularly near the end zone, but 1) he's still young, and 2) teams as bad as Cleveland have to take chances where better teams don't; and 3) Changing Off Coordinators didn't help either. This is a make or break year for Charlie, he'll have an upgraded OL, hopefully the skill players remain healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 SGM....saying that "Charlie had his chance, and failed" is probably one of the most idiotic things I have ever read on here. First of all, he played behind an OL that may not have been able to start at Walsh College (no offense). Secondly, they had no running game. And Thirdly, as ZipGrad1990 has stated, Charlie Frye's numbers his first year as a starter match up pretty well with, and even exceed, the numbers posted by other QB's that are doing quite well now in this league, including Peyton Manning.What I've been thinking about all day is how bad I feel for Charlie. The Browns have basically told him "Hey, we have the left side of the offensive line all straightened out now....oh...and guess what?....after taking a pouding the last two years and showing your tremendous leadership and toughness, you won't be getting a chance to play behind this new line."As for the trade-up. It simply makes no sense mathematically. You take a guy at the #22 spot and trade away next year's pick which will likely be a #10 or better?????? Who can think that this makes sense?????If I were a big Browns fan, as some of you are, I would just be mad that the Browns appear to be rebuilding....again. We were told two years ago that the Frye/Winslow/Edwards combo was a rebuilding phase for the offense. Now, two years later, you want to start that over again? How much more of this can Browns fans take? And with no 1st round pick next year.....there's still way too many weaknesses left unaddressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Zip Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 I know folks love to come on this board and spout their opinion, but here are the facts (SGM and GP1).1st year statsTerry Bradshaw 13 games (for you GP1)83 for 218 1,410 yards 6 TD 24 INT QB Rating 30.35Peyton Manning 16 games (for you SGM) 326 for 575 3,739 yards 26 TD 28 INT QB Rating 71.2Charlie Frye 18 games 350/557 3,456 yards 14 TD 22 INT QB Rating 72.2I'm guessing Ben Rothleisberger wouldn't have looked much better if he had played with Cleveland -- instead he was able to hand the ball off an awful lot and fell back to reality last year with a 75.4 QB rating (his third year).Is this the new definition for failure? Interesting to note the Browns have mortgaged the future for today. What does Savage care though if this team doesn't get better the first round pick next year won't be his to make anyhow. There were more pressing needs on this team. I think Charlie deserved a chance next year with a line boasting Steinbach and Thomas guarding his blind side. Fun fact of the day -- the next QB off the board was at 36 (The Browns original pick.) Maybe Savage's haste to move up was a stupid move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 Thanks Big Zip. I was hoping someone would post some Frye vs. Other QB first-year ratings. I was too tired to do it last night. And the rest of your comments are right on the money. Savage has basically wagered the future on Brady Quinn, when other teams with the same need didn't take him, EVEN WITHOUT HAVING TO GIVE UP A TOP-10 PICK NEXT YEAR. I'll say a prayer this morning in church for every Browns fan who must be coming to the realization this morning that without a #1 pick until 2009, it's going to be at least 5 more years, and another GM/Coach, before we have a chance to start winning again.Thanks you Mr. Savage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UA Fan Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 SGM....saying that "Charlie had his chance, and failed" is probably one of the most idiotic things I have ever read on here. First of all, he played behind an OL that may not have been able to start at Walsh College (no offense). Secondly, they had no running game. And Thirdly, as ZipGrad1990 has stated, Charlie Frye's numbers his first year as a starter match up pretty well with, and even exceed, the numbers posted by other QB's that are doing quite well now in this league, including Peyton Manning.True dat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UA Fan Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 What I've been thinking about all day is how bad I feel for Charlie. The Browns have basically told him "Hey, we have the left side of the offensive line all straightened out now....oh...and guess what?....after taking a pouding the last two years and showing your tremendous leadership and toughness, you won't be getting a chance to play behind this new line."I agree, however life in general and in the NFL isn't always fair and CF will not back down from competing with all comers...he is not done in this league. I'm sure he appreciates any chance he gets (not to mention the $$) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UA Fan Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 As for the trade-up. It simply makes no sense mathematically. You take a guy at the #22 spot and trade away next year's pick which will likely be a #10 or better?????? Who can think that this makes sense????? too many weaknesses left unaddressed.Don't forget they gave up this year's 2nd round pick (#36) as well. I agree the Browns (Cowboys) 1st round pick next year will be much higher than #22. Stupid move...Jerry Jones owns Phil Savage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UA Fan Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 If the Browns franchise gets run into the ground they may leave and not be back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipsrifle Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 WOW, hot topic. I am a HUGE Frye fan, but I agree with SGM and GP1 on a lot of points. Everyone is counting Charlie out. I will admit that he has an uphill climb, Cleveland got a Poster Boy, and the fans will want to see him play. For Charlie to LOSE his starting job will have to prove beyond all doubt that he is the better player. If BQ gets the nod, then Charlie is a backup, or gets traided. Whoever is the starter will get their brains beat in, unfortunately.I am a Browns fan, have always been a Browns fan (Though my interest in NFL Football fell dramatically when "You know who" took the team to Baltimore). I hope the Browns do well, but I think there will need to be a fundamental change in that Organization. Oddly enough, I don't really care what happens to Charlie. Part of me wishes he will get traided, because I sure as hell don't see the Browns Line getting him more protection. I don't think he is the next Joe Montana, but if he was dealt the hand the Big Ben was, he would succeed. He doesn't have a good NFL long ball. All of his passes are short, safe passes. If he had more time in the pocket, he would do well. In the end, Charlie has a pretty good gig. He's a millionaire, has a few more years in the NFL. Hopefully he doesn't take too much of a beating and will be able to live the rest of his life better than any of us could ever dream.Go Zips! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Zip Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 Rifle -- Why won't the Browns line be better this year. If the QB is getting the brains beat in this year it's because he holds the ball too long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo Creed Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 Charlie Frye is horrible and he needs to shave that white-trash mustache. He couldn't hit water from a boat. Unless the water was wearing the opposing team's jersey, then his throw will be right on the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmyboy Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 Charlie Frye is horrible and he needs to shave that white-trash mustache. He couldn't hit water from a boat. Unless the water was wearing the opposing team's jersey, then his throw will be right on the money. man this guy is very bitter about somthing that is going on in his life ha ha. this is the 2nd post of his that i have read with him bashing someone who is a very good athlete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo Creed Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 Charlie Frye is horrible and he needs to shave that white-trash mustache. He couldn't hit water from a boat. Unless the water was wearing the opposing team's jersey, then his throw will be right on the money.man this guy is very bitter about somthing that is going on in his life ha ha. this is the 2nd post of his that i have read with him bashing someone who is a very good athlete. Or I look at things in an unbiased, reasonable manner. Charlie Frye is indeed a horrible NFL quarterback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmyboy Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 Charlie Frye is horrible and he needs to shave that white-trash mustache. He couldn't hit water from a boat. Unless the water was wearing the opposing team's jersey, then his throw will be right on the money.man this guy is very bitter about somthing that is going on in his life ha ha. this is the 2nd post of his that i have read with him bashing someone who is a very good athlete. Or I look at things in an unbiased, reasonable manner. Charlie Frye is indeed a horrible NFL quarterback. well until we give him an offensive line to protect his ass we cant make judgement on him. I could see if he had the line that the steelers had when ben was drafted, but they dont! They have a bunch of lineman that nobody wanted with the exception of Steinbaugh and Shaffer. Fraley.... Philly gave him up for basically nothingAndruzzi..... New england let him go cuz he couldnt produce.Mckinney.. who is this guyhe is a nobodyTucker...... has to many head issues and still isnt very good.lets have 5-8 guys coming at you and wanting to rip your head off. you having no protection and see how well you do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 Or I look at things in an unbiased, reasonable manner. Charlie Frye is indeed a horrible NFL quarterback.The last time I saw you, Apollo, Drago had just administered a lethal 2000 psi right, smack on your temple. How are we supposed to put much credence in what you have to say after that beating? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 I don't expect the Brown's offensive line to suddenly become a dominant force in the league next year because of one signing and one draft pick, but it would be a nightmare scenario for Crennel if pretty-boy Brady Quinn got his feet wet on the bench for the first half of the season, and Gritty-boy Charlie Frye played the first half of the season very well. How do you bench a QB who is playing very well?To be realistic, in a historical perspective, it wont matter if Frye had the shittiest pass protection evar... all that will matter is that the Browns took Mr.Media-Darling in the first round and the Browns had a 3rd round MAC QB........ erm... what was his name? I forget already.*sigh* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 all that will matter is that the Browns took Mr.Media-Darling in the first round and the Browns had a 3rd round MAC QB........ erm... what was his name? I forget already.I couldn't agree more. Quinn may end up being a decent QB (who really knows at this point), but I couldn't stand to watch the draft anymore with the way they kept dismissing Frye. I think Kiper was the only one who would mention him by name from time to time. Suzy Kolber was making me puke. The way they kept saying how BQ is a local boy and Dublin was "right down the road". It's closer to Cincinnati folks! And what about a much closer, local boy? Gimme a break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottditzen Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 Hopefully Charlie will get to start this year behind a better O-line, and the Browns will have a good problem like the Rivers/Brees scenario over in San Diego. But I promise you, if they start Quinn and he looks bad- a virtual probability regarding rookie QB's- just you watch the impatient Browns fans tear him apart (Tim Couch anyone?) and Romeo and Savage will be fired. Remember, there's going to be a lot more pressure on Quinn, much more than there ever was on Frye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
74ZIP Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 good points made by all...however,Charley will never be judged based on what could have been had he had more quality material around him...i'm still not convinced the Clowns won't try to bring in an experienced QB this year to be a caddie for 'the mighty quinn'...Culpepper may become available because its real possible the reason the Fish passed on quinn was because they are going to get T.Green...allegedly they have a handshake on a contract...waiting for KC to give the OK...if that happens Charley goes elsewhere and quinn soaks up the NFL atmosphere for a while...but if no other QB is brought in quinn WILL play soon...the Clowns basically spent 2 #1"s on him...he will not sit behind Charley... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Zip Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 Andruzzi..... New england let him go cuz he couldnt produce. He is so good the Browns cut him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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