timmyboy Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 WOW great thinking Cleveland. You take a guy (eric wright) who has all kinds of legal issue and isnt a very good team player over a guy (andy alleman) who was a great team player and a position you need very much..... im starting to dislike the browns organization more and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgm405 Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 WOW great thinking Cleveland. You take a guy (eric wright) who has all kinds of legal issue and isnt a very good team player over a guy (andy alleman) who was a great team player and a position you need very much..... im starting to dislike the browns organization more and more. In the Browns defense...1) Cornerback is just as much of an area of need. 2) Wright is a stud player, first round talent. I'm going to give Savage the benefit of the doubt and assume that he wouldn't have traded picks away to draft the guy if they didn't believe his "character issues" wouldn't get in the way. I guess we'll see... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmyboy Posted April 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 WOW great thinking Cleveland. You take a guy (eric wright) who has all kinds of legal issue and isnt a very good team player over a guy (andy alleman) who was a great team player and a position you need very much..... im starting to dislike the browns organization more and more.In the Browns defense...1) Cornerback is just as much of an area of need. 2) Wright is a stud player, first round talent. I'm going to give Savage the benefit of the doubt and assume that he wouldn't have traded picks away to draft the guy if they didn't believe his "character issues" wouldn't get in the way. I guess we'll see... yeah true. but i think the OL is more of a need because of the fact that they drafted their "franchise" QB. If they dont beef up that OL he will end up like all the other QB's to play there......hurt and on their back alot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zip_ME87 Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 WOW great thinking Cleveland. You take a guy (eric wright) who has all kinds of legal issue and isnt a very good team player over a guy (andy alleman) who was a great team player and a position you need very much..... im starting to dislike the browns organization more and more. I agree Timmy. The Browns organization stinks, and has hosed another draft. Character matters, and Andy would have been a great choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmyboy Posted April 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 The Saints have showed ALOT of interest in him and they are on the clock....could he be their pick? Just seen his name on the screen, he is the 10th best player available right now in the draft (in any position) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgm405 Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 WOW great thinking Cleveland. You take a guy (eric wright) who has all kinds of legal issue and isnt a very good team player over a guy (andy alleman) who was a great team player and a position you need very much..... im starting to dislike the browns organization more and more.In the Browns defense...1) Cornerback is just as much of an area of need. 2) Wright is a stud player, first round talent. I'm going to give Savage the benefit of the doubt and assume that he wouldn't have traded picks away to draft the guy if they didn't believe his "character issues" wouldn't get in the way. I guess we'll see... yeah true. but i think the OL is more of a need because of the fact that they drafted their "franchise" QB. If they dont beef up that OL he will end up like all the other QB's to play there......hurt and on their back alot. They did sign Eric Steinbach, the best guard available in free agency, and drafted Joe Thomas, the best tackle in the draft. I'm not saying everything is fixed, but they should have a decent line at the very least. At cornerback, they had Leigh Bodden and not much else. It was a definite need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmyboy Posted April 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 The Saints have showed ALOT of interest in him and they are on the clock....could he be their pick? Just seen his name on the screen, he is the 10th best player available right now in the draft (in any position) scratch that.....they just traded away their pick. sgm. who do they have to play at their other guard position? Andruzzi hasent shown much of anything the last year and a half. maybe im wrong but andy would make a better guard then andruzzi. (IMO) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgm405 Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 The Saints have showed ALOT of interest in him and they are on the clock....could he be their pick? Just seen his name on the screen, he is the 10th best player available right now in the draft (in any position)scratch that.....they just traded away their pick. sgm. who do they have to play at their other guard position? Andruzzi hasent shown much of anything the last year and a half. maybe im wrong but andy would make a better guard then andruzzi. (IMO) I'm guessing the line looks like this as of right now:Thomas / Steinbach / Fraley / McKinney / ShafferI definitely think Alleman would've helped. I'm just saying CB was a big time need as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zip_ME87 Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 In the Browns defense... 2) Wright is a stud player, first round talent. I'm going to give Savage the benefit of the doubt and assume that he wouldn't have traded picks away to draft the guy if they didn't believe his "character issues" wouldn't get in the way. Character does matter. You say Wright is a "stud"...he could just as easily be the next Maurice Clarrett. Phil Savage gave up way too much on this one when he could have waited for a quality guy such as Andy.http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/wright_eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles_in_Charge Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 Andy isn't 2nd round talent.Just because the browns are right up the street doesn't mean they have to take every zip available.Andy should go 3rd round, but don't be surprised if he goes 4th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgm405 Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 In the Browns defense... 2) Wright is a stud player, first round talent. I'm going to give Savage the benefit of the doubt and assume that he wouldn't have traded picks away to draft the guy if they didn't believe his "character issues" wouldn't get in the way. Character does matter. You say Wright is a "stud"...he could just as easily be the next Maurice Clarrett. Phil Savage gave up way too much on this one when he could have waited for a quality guy such as Andy.http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/wright_eric Maurice Clarett wasn't a stud talent by the time he entered the NFL Draft...two totally different situations. Wright is a heckuva player who had some legal issues two years ago, wasn't convicted, and hasn't had any problems ever since. Trust me, I doubt Phil Savage trades away multiple picks and takes the guy if they hadn't done extensive research on the guy and felt very comfortable with him. Is it really bothering people that they took Wright or is it more that they didn't take Alleman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgm405 Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 Andy isn't 2nd round talent.Just because the browns are right up the street doesn't mean they have to take every zip available.Andy should go 3rd round, but don't be surprised if he goes 4th. What he said... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgm405 Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 By the way...Just heard from a friend of mine that LeCharles Bentley may play this season after all. Thomas / Steinbach / Bentley / Fraley / Shaffer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zip_ME87 Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 Andy isn't 2nd round talent.Just because the browns are right up the street doesn't mean they have to take every zip available.Andy should go 3rd round, but don't be surprised if he goes 4th.What he said... My point was that the Clowns should have waited their turn and taken Andy in the 3rd. I'd take Andy's character/talent over Wright anyday.Why do you have so much blind confidence in an organization that has f'd up the draft many times in the past? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zip_ME87 Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 Is it really bothering people that they took Wright or is it more that they didn't take Alleman? I mentioned Andy because:1) This is a Zips forum.2) I'd have rather seen the Browns take Andy in the 3rd and still have a 4th than to have traded a 3 & 4 for someone of questionable charatcer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeaglet1 Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 Even if they dont make the deal, there is absolutly no chance the Browns take Allenman. It was going to a DB or RB. Andruzzi, McKinney, Tucker, etc... may not be the bes tin the league but they are serivceable. I dont think I can watch Ralph Brown get burned again. Eric Wright is a first round talent who dropped because of some off the field issues. Was he investigated for rape, yes, but the charges were dropped. They found 180 ecstacy pills in a common room of his dorm. Do you think if he knew they were there, he would have agreed to the search as he did? This is a boom or bust pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zip_ME87 Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 Some of you guys are just way too literal. Regardless of whether Andy would have been the right pick for the Browns in the 3rd round or not, I used Andy as an example because this is a Zips forum, NOT a Browns forum.No matter what you state about Wright being "acquitted", not charged, whatever, he still has a huge CHARACTER QUESTION. Read the negatives (football performance negative) at nfl.com, and you will see that he has all the signs of being very immature. Add that to the off-the-field issues, and you do not get a guy who was worth the picks that the Br(Cl)owns traded for him.Done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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