sgm405 Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 It has nothing to do with Charlie....I was a big Garcia fan. It has to with the Browns. Until they are able to protect the QB, you could plug in P Manning and he would struggle. Last year, I buy that argument. Not this year. How many times did Charlie have plenty of time to throw today? Quite a bit actually...How many times did Charlie step into the pocket and make a strong throw, or use his scrambling ability to get away and get rid of the ball when he was pressured? I can count on one hand...It was the o-line...then it was the receivers...then the staff...then the front office...at what point do we just admit that it may be Charlie - and not the guys around him - that is the problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgm405 Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 By the way...Anyone notice that Frye got sacked 5 times, while Anderson got sacked once? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipgrad1990 Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 Last year, I buy that argument. Not this year. How many times did Charlie have plenty of time to throw today? Quite a bit actually...How many times did Charlie step into the pocket and make a strong throw, or use his scrambling ability to get away and get rid of the ball when he was pressured? I can count on one hand...It was the o-line...then it was the receivers...then the staff...then the front office...at what point do we just admit that it may be Charlie - and not the guys around him - that is the problem?I'm complete agreement. I was a big Frye supporter but no more. I think he looked lost out there and held the ball too long. I expected better out of him after the Denver preseason game but I was wrong. I doubt we will ever see Frye start again in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 It has nothing to do with Charlie....I was a big Garcia fan. It has to with the Browns. Until they are able to protect the QB, you could plug in P Manning and he would struggle.Last year, I buy that argument. Not this year. How many times did Charlie have plenty of time to throw today? Quite a bit actually...How many times did Charlie step into the pocket and make a strong throw, or use his scrambling ability to get away and get rid of the ball when he was pressured? I can count on one hand...It was the o-line...then it was the receivers...then the staff...then the front office...at what point do we just admit that it may be Charlie - and not the guys around him - that is the problem? WHERE YOU WATCHING THE SAME GAME?I doubt you could count the number of times charlie got a chance to throw on more than two hands. And I thought THIS LEVEL blinding bias was relegated to politics. My god. Could you possibly desire for someone to look bad anymore than this?Please don't portray your ill will as reasoned thinking.The fact is the offense did not move the chains with Frye taking the snaps. That's the inevitable truth that cannot be denied. Let's leave it at that. I will not sit here and list all the bullshit sacks, pressures, and DROPPED PASSES that happened in 3 very quick series. It's pointless. I used to say that Charlie "made things happen" but he didn't do it in his few opportunities today. But I really don't need to hear you come one here and HEAP ON. I am going to restrain myself from calling you names, but seriously, you are not taking a very endearing role here. Villain much? Or just a pot stirrer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgm405 Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 It has nothing to do with Charlie....I was a big Garcia fan. It has to with the Browns. Until they are able to protect the QB, you could plug in P Manning and he would struggle.Last year, I buy that argument. Not this year. How many times did Charlie have plenty of time to throw today? Quite a bit actually...How many times did Charlie step into the pocket and make a strong throw, or use his scrambling ability to get away and get rid of the ball when he was pressured? I can count on one hand...It was the o-line...then it was the receivers...then the staff...then the front office...at what point do we just admit that it may be Charlie - and not the guys around him - that is the problem? WHERE YOU WATCHING THE SAME GAME?I doubt you could count the number of times charlie got a chance to throw on more than two hands. And I thought THIS LEVEL blinding bias was relegated to politics. My god. Could you possibly desire for someone to look bad anymore than this?Please don't portray your ill will as reasoned thinking.The fact is the offense did not move the chains with Frye taking the snaps. That's the inevitable truth that cannot be denied. Let's leave it at that. I will not sit here and list all the bullshit sacks, pressures, and DROPPED PASSES that happened in 3 very quick series. What's amazing is that you STILL can't admit that you're wrong about the guy. I'm blind to reason?Seriously...name one thing Charlie did well. ONE. It's funny...you want to ignore all of the "bullshit" statistics...you know, the ones that prove Frye was horrible today. Frye - 4/10, 34 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT, 5 SacksDA - 13/28, 184 yds, 1 TD, 1 SackHow did the same offensive line - which is supposedly letting Charlie down - allow 5 sacks in 3 series' with him and then only allow one the rest of the game? You think maybe it has more to do with Charlie and less to do with the line, the receivers, and everyone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgm405 Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 But I really don't need to hear you come one here and HEAP ON. I am going to restrain myself from calling you names, but seriously, you are not taking a very endearing role here. Villain much? Or just a pot stirrer? I could care less if I'm a "villian"...Like many others (BuckZip, skhor, RowdyZip, etc), I don't bullshit, and some people can't handle that. A lot of people here don't want to hear what you say unless you believe the Zips will go undefeated and every Zip in the pros is a future HOF'er. But it's good...I think sometimes this forum needs the people who can remove the Zips blinders and bring a realistic perspective to the topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 But I really don't need to hear you come one here and HEAP ON. I am going to restrain myself from calling you names, but seriously, you are not taking a very endearing role here. Villain much? Or just a pot stirrer?I could care less if I'm a "villian"...Like many others (BuckZip, skhor, RowdyZip, etc), I don't bullshit, and some people can't handle that. A lot of people here don't want to hear what you say unless you believe the Zips will go undefeated and every Zip in the pros is a future HOF'er. But it's good...I think sometimes this forum needs the people who can remove the Zips blinders and bring a realistic perspective to the topics. I knew you were going to say that. My point was, you ENJOY it too much. It's not very admirable. It's really rather quite ugly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 3) Blocking Breakdowns (how many Browns OL's did you see get pushed flat on their backs in passing situations)? Shaffer got pancaked so bad, I have never seen a pro O lineman look so bad.No wonder Atlanta had a rally when the Browns signed him.Thomas looked TERRIBLE too. I counted at least two sacks he gave up.I think the Zips O line looked better this weekend than Charlie's line did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 sgm...you must exaust yourself when you come here.I could be wrong, but like myself, I think that most of the posters that support Frye have simply told you, over and over again, that you DON'T KNOW how good a QB is going to be early in his career. Do you want to dispute that? Then how come, historically, more than HALF of QBs that are drafted in the FIRST ROUND never make it. However, since you have this knack for knowing these things, I know 30 teams in the NFL that have a high-paying position ready for you in their front office.Beyond that, what really is astounding to me is that we are all here to support the Zips. Yet, if we looked back at your posts, we'd probably find that the majority of them are for the purpose of...1) Praising the mighty Ohio State Buckeyes (oh, who by the way, needed nearly all 4 quarters to pull away from the lowly Akron Zips this weekend)2) Cutting on Charlie Frye I just don't get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgm405 Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 3) Blocking Breakdowns (how many Browns OL's did you see get pushed flat on their backs in passing situations)?Shaffer got pancaked so bad, I have never seen a pro O lineman look so bad.No wonder Atlanta had a rally when the Browns signed him.Thomas looked TERRIBLE too. I counted at least two sacks he gave up.I think the Zips O line looked better this weekend than Charlie's line did. You aren't talking about the play where Thomas had his block and Frye ran right into the guy anyways, are you? I thought Thomas did fine. It's funny...the O-line "gives up" 5 sacks while Frye is in there for three POSSESIONS and only1 sack while Anderson is in for three QUARTERS and some of you don't see the connection... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgm405 Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 sgm...you must exaust yourself when you come here.I could be wrong, but like myself, I think that most of the posters that support Frye have simply told you, over and over again, that you DON'T KNOW how good a QB is going to be early in his career. Do you want to dispute that? Then how come, historically, more than HALF of QBs that are drafted in the FIRST ROUND never make it. However, since you have this knack for knowing these things, I know 30 teams in the NFL that have a high-paying position ready for you in their front office.Beyond that, what really is astounding to me is that we are all here to support the Zips. Yet, if we looked back at your posts, we'd probably find that the majority of them are for the purpose of...1) Praising the mighty Ohio State Buckeyes (oh, who by the way, needed nearly all 4 quarters to pull away from the lowly Akron Zips this weekend)2) Cutting on Charlie Frye I just don't get it. Never have I said I can evaluate NFL talent as well as those in the front offices. But I do know a bad NFL QB when I see one...and apparently so do the Cleveland Browns (see today's news).As for the rest of my posts, you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. I've followed Akron sports religiously over the past 7 seasons...going to just about every home game, traveling to road games, supporting this team as much as anyone else on this board. And yet, because I cheer for OSU as my 2nd favorite team and because I don't think Frye is a good NFL QB, somehow I'm not a Zips fan according to idiots like you.Hey, if you want to be a glorified cheerleader, be my guest. I'll continue to give my honest opinions on everything and continue to support the Zips as much as I always have. Maybe you can go help bobbyake build his skyscrapers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w00t Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 Maybe you can go help bobbyake build his skyscrapershahahahahahahaha.But seriously, who watched yesterday's game (I had the misfortune of witnessing it firsthand) and didn't think Charlie looked like a high school QB? There is no disputing SGM when he compares the five sacks in three series to one the rest of the game, just admit it. Charlie didn't have a clue, his throws were off target (when he actually threw the ball), and he couldn't scramble to save his life. Anderson looked more mobile, and that's saying something. I'm sorry, I loved the guy here at Akron (and I'm not any sort of huge Browns fan), but he absolutely laid an egg yesterday and to these eyes looks like no sort of NFL QB. (And don't blame the line, he had more than enough time to throw, as did Anderson).Enough with the sgm hating... this place is devoid of objectivity, that's the only reason none of you like him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgm405 Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 Maybe you can go help bobbyake build his skyscrapershahahahahahahaha.But seriously, who watched yesterday's game (I had the misfortune of witnessing it firsthand) and didn't think Charlie looked like a high school QB? There is no disputing SGM when he compares the five sacks in three series to one the rest of the game, just admit it. Charlie didn't have a clue, his throws were off target (when he actually threw the ball), and he couldn't scramble to save his life. Anderson looked more mobile, and that's saying something. I'm sorry, I loved the guy here at Akron (and I'm not any sort of huge Browns fan), but he absolutely laid an egg yesterday and to these eyes looks like no sort of NFL QB. (And don't blame the line, he had more than enough time to throw, as did Anderson).Enough with the sgm hating... this place is devoid of objectivity, that's the only reason none of you like him. Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
you am i Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 i like him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgm405 Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 i like him. And thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 It's funny...the O-line "gives up" 5 sacks while Frye is in there for three POSSESIONS and only1 sack while Anderson is in for three QUARTERS and some of you don't see the connection... LeBeau stopped blitzing. They started rotating in the backups and rookies in the 2nd Q."I think they had about enough" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 someone close this topic. These morons are trolling now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w00t Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 If by "trolling" you mean exposing your point of view as completely untenable, then yes, there is definitely some trolling going on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 If by "trolling" you mean exposing your point of view as completely untenable, then yes, there is definitely some trolling going on here. Bull! I'm talking about the last several posts where you guys come in here to taunt the really shity turn of events in the last few days on me and everyone in here who have1) legitimate opinions2) damned good reasons to be loyal to CharlieIf you aren't trolling, you could atleast try a little bit more tact and sensitivity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 Bernie says if Jesus were in Frye's place they would be 0-1 (pretty funny BK) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w00t Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 Bull! I'm talking about the last several posts where you guys come in here to taunt the really shity turn of events in the last few days on me and everyone in here who have1) legitimate opinions2) damned good reasons to be loyal to CharlieIf you aren't trolling, you could atleast try a little bit more tact and sensitivity.I didn't taunt anyone, and I don't see where I implied in any way that I take pleasure in Charlie's misfortune, but his performance was atrocious on Sunday... and that's a fact. Loyalty has absolutely nothing to do with it. Being incapable of objectively judging someone's performance doesn't make you loyal, it makes you a lackey. And did you really just decry a lack of sensitivity on a sports messageboard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 Bull! I'm talking about the last several posts where you guys come in here to taunt the really shity turn of events in the last few days on me and everyone in here who have1) legitimate opinions2) damned good reasons to be loyal to CharlieIf you aren't trolling, you could atleast try a little bit more tact and sensitivity.I didn't taunt anyone, and I don't see where I implied in any way that I take pleasure in Charlie's misfortune, but his performance was atrocious on Sunday... and that's a fact. Loyalty has absolutely nothing to do with it. Being incapable of objectively judging someone's performance doesn't make you loyal, it makes you a lackey. And did you really just decry a lack of sensitivity on a sports messageboard? Yeah, I was going to mention the fact that I doubt you would act the same way in person... now you pretty much implied it. Thanx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w00t Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 Yeah, I was going to mention the fact that I doubt you would act the same way in person... now you pretty much implied it. Thanx.Sorry to contradict you again, but I wasn't drawing a comparison between how delicately I tread when talking about sports on the internet and in person... the point I was making was that we're talking about sports, so what does being "sensitive" have to do with anything? If we were discussing this over a beer, I would have no problem telling you just as dryly and apparently "insensitively" as I did here that Charlie Frye has had a lousy run at being an NFL quarterback. Sorry if I offended you... are you an immediate member of the Frye family or something? You seem to be taking this really personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 so, what exactly are we debating now? eh troll? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w00t Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 We're not debating anything because apparently your delicate sensitivities aren't up to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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