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  1. 17 minutes ago, clarkwgriswold said:

    Interesting article in today's Beacon about the beginnings of the University.  The best segment reads-


    Trustees of the Ohio Universalist Convention gathered May 31, 1870, at the Summit County Courthouse to vote on a proposal to establish a school to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the Universalist Church of the United States.

    The trustees had already ruled out Kent after scouting the Portage County town and learning it had an “unpleasant reputation” of being ridden with malaria and typhoid fever.


    Too damn funny.  Some things never change.



    And they built it on top of the Spicer Cemetery?  Seems like a bad omen.

  2. 1 hour ago, 1981 grad said:

    I talked about that game and it was close at the 2 minute mark when Utomi missed the free throw: "Duvivier ended the 14-0 Eastern Michigan surge with a free throw at the 1:59 mark to bring the Zips within two, 60-58."  I did not know that Cotton applauded when Utomi missed the free throw.  I was upset when Groce took out Patton for Klac.  The Hurons scored the last 7 points of the game.


    I tend to block out those memories.  Was there a technical or something in which Groce got to choose who to shoot the FTs?  He picked Utomi over Cotton.  I think Cotton made two clutch FTs against Western and thought he was the man.

  3. 1 hour ago, clarkwgriswold said:

    Just thinking of some of the kids the Zips had to rely on in Groce's first season.  He was able to get some kids into the pipeline like LCJ and Riak as redshirts, but the kids that they had to actually field a team were rough.  Kostelac who was nowhere near ready.  Cotton, who was a D1 talent and a class 1 headcase.  Patton who was a great effort kid but wasn't ready.  E-man with his heart problem.  Lucas Smith out of the rec center.  Jayden adjusting to college life.  Thank goodness for Malcolm Duvivier coming in and Ivey and Utomi sticking it out.


    All the while people were griping about Groce.

    someone talked about the MAC Qfinal game between Akron and the Hurons.  I don't remember it being that close at the end, and I also recall that was the end of Virshon Cotton when he applauded Utomi's missed free throw.

  4. 2 hours ago, kreed5120 said:

    It wasn't a good look for Scarborough to plan a major renovation on the presidents mansion at the time he was slashing the budget. I feel a lot of the stuff he was trying to do was for the betterment of the university long-term. I just think he lacked the people skills necessary to do it in a way that would get people to buy in.

    Scarborough was horrible at PR.  That doomed him.  Also, I remember it was his first Homecoming and he was walking the queen across the field and he has his 6 year old daughter with him.  She was a cute kid dressed in an Akron cheerleader garb.  I thought to myself...what a narcissistic jerk.  Why would you show off and/or indulge your child and upstage the young woman/student who was being honored that day?  

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  5. 17 minutes ago, clarkwgriswold said:

    It's a strange world where we have to hope for the kind of success that leads a more prominent program to take away the person that brought that success.

    You guys always say that in the basketball thread.  Groce is gone if Zips win a tournament game 

  6. 32 minutes ago, clarkwgriswold said:


    There are thousands of sad stories during all of this.  I remember the photo of LCJ's father embracing him after they cancelled the MAC tournament.  He's, bright, young and has division 1 athletic caliber.  I'm not going to debate the baseball issue, but I think there should have been a plan beginning 5 or 6 years ago to begin phasing out some of these programs.

  7. 7 minutes ago, clarkwgriswold said:

    Reading all of this, I have come to one simple conclusion.  That conclusion is not that football is too much of a financial drain or is financially unfeasible.  Rather, it's that $6.5 to $7 million dollars is a lot of money for awful football.  It's the product that needs improved.


    I heard Urban Meyer on a radio show this week and in discussing assistant coaches stated that college football really all comes down to recruiting.  It's all about talent on the field.  Get kids that are better than PCCC's, OU's, Toledo's....and you will finally see a return on the investment.  It's the administration's job to find the leaders that can accomplish that task


    Nice thing about basketball is that there are more players out there to recruit for way fewer spots 

  8. 3 minutes ago, ZippyRulz said:


    I appreciate that analysis but the other factor I hear being brought up a lot is the amount of non revenue women's sports scholarships and expenses that are required due to football that would probably go away without it. Irony 1 is that women's sports fans should therefore also be big supporters of the men's sports especially football. Irony 2 is that those who want football scaled back would be the same ones bitching when women's sports get scaled back accordingly.

    Good analysis.

  9. 11 minutes ago, dre22era said:

    The problem is We financially cannot afford "Potential"

    We cannot afford the risk. 

    As a result now, if he continues to fail we may no longer have D1 Football 

    That may be.  I wish I had the solution or could provide the cure.  In the meantime, I will play the hand I'm dealt as a fan.  I won't run down the University.  Just not how I am.

  10. Arth has a lot of potential, and I have faith the new president will sort all of this out.  Right now Miller has to reorganize academics and get kids back on campus.  Williams did what he was told to do for now.  Williams and company could certainly be on borrowed time, but I'm willing to keep buying my season tickets and keep donating and keep being a huge Zips fan.

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  11. 30 minutes ago, clarkwgriswold said:


    That was supposed to be Arth's strength- connections to area coaches to get those kids.


    If this team doesn't play some reasonable football this year, all of the Zips Nation and fan support may not be able to save it.  This time through was a reprieve, the next look may not result in a stay.


    Importantly, while it was necessary to make some quick cost-savings measures because of COVID and years of over-spending, it was equally important NOT to make a huge decision like eliminating football because of the temporary COVID situation.  I think the MAC schools are looking for a better situation for football and that can't happen during a "panic."  Also, we pile on our football team like it's the only one in the conference that is a heavy stone hanging from the school's neck.  There is not perennial football powerhouse in the MAC who is the Gonzaga of mid-major football.   WMU pays their coach an outrageous sum.  The MAC needs to figure this out as a group.  

  12. 12 minutes ago, zippypitt said:

    I also don't see this as football v soccer v other sports.  I have owned season tickets to basketball, soccer, and football.  HOWEVER, the financial crunch is/was an opportunity to "right size" the football program.  The last football game I attended: beautiful sunny day against a good Iowa State team.  Fifteen minutes before kickoff there is NOBODY in the stands.  One big section would have held the entire crowd plus the band.  I was embarrassed for my university and have not been back since.  This is bigger than a coach, an AD, or recruiting athletes.  It is a SYSTEMATIC failure that needs fixed so students, community members, and alumni can enjoy a competitive product that has an opportunity to experience success.  PCCC had a dream season with Archer, etc and still can't draw flies to their games many years later.  The status quo is unacceptable, not financially responsible, and I was hoping things could possibly change for the better.  I really want to attend compelling football games with other fans at games that matter.  And no, the Cheribundi Cherry Bowl does not qualify for any of the above.

    so you were so embarrassed so much that you didn't return for another game?  I always go, but I can probably count on one hand the # of games in which I stayed until the end.  These Tuesday, Wednesday night games are such a drag.  However, I'm sure the AD knows that but in the cost/benefit analysis, that time slot is the best option.  Akron Basketball had a few crappy time slots this last season but they also had 4 or 5 CBS or espn2 broadcast games.  

  13. 36 minutes ago, dre22era said:

    Your mentality of questioning people who give a damn is why UA is as jacked up as it is now. 

    Oh how dare I give a damn 

    Defenders of mediocrity need to go. YOU ARE THE PROBLEM 

    I think it was that t-shirt cannon blow to the head.  I've been a problem ever since.   BTW...I was/am pro-Groce and thought KD was mired in mediocrity.  And as I recall you raised holy hell about Williams, etc, when all that went down.  

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