I get what you're saying Dave, except for one thing. I personally would not use "accomplished player" to describe either Johnson or Forsythe. Pat has largely been a disappointment since he got here. He had a few good games early in his first year, but floundered as the season went along. He had every opportunity to lock down the starting C position last year, and he couldn't do it. In fact, there were times when you had to wonder why he was even in the rotation. Despite Pat not playing well Isaiah averaged less than 14 minutes per game last year. He only scored in double digits twice (and failed to do so at all in the conference season). Overall, his 2013-14 average stat line reads 3.8 points, 2.8 boards, .9 blocks, 49.5% from the field, 59.5% from the line and only 13.4 minutes per game. His biggest flaw is well known, and that is conditioning and athleticism. To put it mildly, he is a boat-anchor in this era of teams that are looking to play more of an open court, spread the floor kind of game. Not exactly my definition of accomplished. Now, is Kwan an "accomplished player"? Of course not. So that leaves (in my mind anyways) three players with serious question marks that you could potentially put in at the C position. With that being said, I can't make my decision on who I want in the lineup based solely on history. There has to be something more that goes into it. We all know that for KD the effort that each of these guys puts in during the offseason, and throughout the season in practice (and specifically on the defensive end of the floor) will be a big factor. To me the other big factor is who fits the best with the rest of my lineup. If I'm KD and I look up and down my roster the first thing I notice is my all-MAC, player of the year candidate at PF. I want to do everything in my power to maximize the impact he can have on the game. In my opinion, the best way to do that is to surround him with other players who can space the floor. Whether those are guys like McAdams and Kretzer who are great long distance shooters or guys who can slash to the hole from the wings (or both) those are the guys I want on the floor. I want Tree to have as much space to operate in the post as I can give him. I simply can't see doing that by having him log big minutes with Johnson or Forsythe on the floor.