Frye to See Preseason Action

[johnnyzip84]

It looks like Holmgren wants to see during the preseason if Charlie has learned the Seahawk system well enough to allow current backup QB Seneca Wallace to play other roles.LinkHere's another link to a Seattle site with a little more from Charlie himself.KOMO

[ZachTheZip]

That was the reason they dealt for him in the first place, wasn't it?

[Dr Z]

Record the game at 11:30 Friday night against the Vikings, it is being shown on NFL NetworkPS For fans of the NFL, not just your local team, the NFL Network replays most preseason games during the week at one time or another.

[johnnyzip84]

That was the reason they dealt for him in the first place, wasn't it?

True but this preseason is the 1st game action for Charlie as a Seahawk. And I suppose a lot (perhaps his pro career?) may be riding on it.

[ZachTheZip]

That was the reason they dealt for him in the first place, wasn't it?

True but this preseason is the 1st game action for Charlie as a Seahawk. And I suppose a lot (perhaps his pro career?) may be riding on it.

Let's hope he looks good, then.

[GP1]

John Grisham has a paperback out in stores right now called Playing for Pizza. Frye reminds me a little of the main character. Basically, there is this Cleveland QB who has a disastrous performance and goes far away from Cleveland and finds himself. It is an entertaining book that really capturers the low class and thug like behavior of Browns fans and media, especially at the beginning. You guys should pick it up.I think Frye had to get as far away from Cleveland as possible to clear his head and Seattle was as good of a place as any. It would be nice to be him in a city where he can walk down the street basically unknown and enjoy himself some.

[johnnyzip84]

John Grisham has a paperback out in stores right now called Playing for Pizza. Frye reminds me a little of the main character. Basically, there is this Cleveland QB who has a disastrous performance and goes far away from Cleveland and finds himself. It is an entertaining book that really capturers the low class and thug like behavior of Browns fans and media, especially at the beginning. You guys should pick it up.I think Frye had to get as far away from Cleveland as possible to clear his head and Seattle was as good of a place as any. It would be nice to be him in a city where he can walk down the street basically unknown and enjoy himself some.

Parma QB Rick Dockery is a little more "glitz" (OK, compared to Charlie that's not saying much ), but this is a good analogy, GP1 This is an entertaining, quick read as well.

[Zipsrifle]

Brady Quinn is the savior! He'll take us to the Super Bowl!!!!!

[Dr Z]

Reminder, Charlie is on Sirius 123 tonight at 8 pmYou can watch him on the NFL channel at 11:30 tonight.

[Zippysgotagun]

Reminder, Charlie is on Sirius 123 tonight at 8 pmYou can watch him on the NFL channel at 11:30 tonight.

Unfortunately, no I can't because...A. I have to work from 10-6B. Time Warner blows.

[ZachTheZip]

Frye didn't even get to play until the middle of the fourth quarter. He only threw three passes, two of them complete. Seneca Wallace was the Seahawks QB for almost the entire game.So much for seeing what he can do.

[GP1]

Frye didn't even get to play until the middle of the fourth quarter. He only threw three passes, two of them complete. Seneca Wallace was the Seahawks QB for almost the entire game.So much for seeing what he can do.

You could also turn this into a positive for Frye. Remember, Frye has (I think) started more games in the NFL than Wallace so Seattle has a good idea of what Frye can do. Maybe Wallace is being given a chance to prove himself before being moved to WR.If any of you have been watching preseason NFL, you should not worry about whether Frye has a spot in the NFL or not. Most of these back up QBs playing look like it is the first time they have ever taken a snap.

[sgm405]

John Grisham has a paperback out in stores right now called Playing for Pizza. Frye reminds me a little of the main character. Basically, there is this Cleveland QB who has a disastrous performance and goes far away from Cleveland and finds himself. It is an entertaining book that really capturers the low class and thug like behavior of Browns fans and media, especially at the beginning. You guys should pick it up.I think Frye had to get as far away from Cleveland as possible to clear his head and Seattle was as good of a place as any. It would be nice to be him in a city where he can walk down the street basically unknown and enjoy himself some.

OK, I'll bite...how exactly were Cleveland fans and media "low class and thuglike" with Charlie?

[Zipsrifle]

John Grisham has a paperback out in stores right now called Playing for Pizza. Frye reminds me a little of the main character. Basically, there is this Cleveland QB who has a disastrous performance and goes far away from Cleveland and finds himself. It is an entertaining book that really capturers the low class and thug like behavior of Browns fans and media, especially at the beginning. You guys should pick it up.I think Frye had to get as far away from Cleveland as possible to clear his head and Seattle was as good of a place as any. It would be nice to be him in a city where he can walk down the street basically unknown and enjoy himself some.

OK, I'll bite...how exactly were Cleveland fans and media "low class and thuglike" with Charlie?

I don't think it is just the Cleveland media, it is media in general and I think the progression at any NFL team goes like this:Summer:- Existing QB adequate, but not outstanding.- New QB Drafted, supposed to be pretty good!- New QB could be the savior.Pre Season:- New QB sees some playing time against the opponents 2nd team. Does pretty good!- New QB probaby is the savior!- Buzz starts that we need to ditch existing QB right now.Season Starts:- Starting QB continues to be adequate, but not outstanding- Existing QB on the sidelines, but he is OBVIOUSLY THE SAVIOR!Mid Season:- Why do we still have "adequate" QB in, we need the SAVIOR!- Coaches give in, put in the SAVIOR!- New QB gets rocked- That's OK, he just needs to get a few games under him.Late Season-New QB still getting rocked, he's really not that good.-Old and New QB go back and forth, both are adequate but not great-We need a new QB. -I hear this kid coming out of XXX is pretty good, we should pick him up!! He's the Savior!!!

[sgm405]

I agree that the media circulates the discussion on every team. I just don't see how Frye was affected by it.Charlie Frye is holding a clipboard in Seattle because he didn't perform when given the opportunity. Had he performed, he'd be starting in Cleveland (or somewhere else). The coaches, front office, and even fans want to win ballgames. After last season's opener, the staff made the decision that Derek Anderson starting gave them the best chance to do so. And they were right - Anderson had a stellar year, was a Pro Bowler, and had the Browns on the brink of the postseason.Player A - 25 years old, 1st year starting - 16 G, 298-527, 57%, 3787 YDS, 7.2 AVG, 29 TD, 19 INT, 83 RATPlayer B - 26 years old, 1st year starting - 13 G, 252-393, 64%, 2454 YDS, 6.2 AVG, 10 TD, 17 INT, 72 RATForgetting who went to what college, which player would you take? And would that decision even be a close one? Simply put, Derek Anderson is a far better QB than Charlie Frye. And in time the coaches saw it. And if they were wrong about Frye, wouldn't QB-starved teams like Chicago, Minnesota, New York, Miami, etc been all over him? Frye is a hard worker, was one of the best Zips of all time, and can be a solid backup in the NFL. But that's as far as it goes folks...and that's not the fault of the media, fans, or anyone else.

[zipseuph]

I agree that the media circulates the discussion on every team. I just don't see how Frye was affected by it.Charlie Frye is holding a clipboard in Seattle because he didn't perform when given the opportunity. Had he performed, he'd be starting in Cleveland (or somewhere else). The coaches, front office, and even fans want to win ballgames. After last season's opener, the staff made the decision that Derek Anderson starting gave them the best chance to do so. And they were right - Anderson had a stellar year, was a Pro Bowler, and had the Browns on the brink of the postseason.Player A - 25 years old, 1st year starting - 16 G, 298-527, 57%, 3787 YDS, 7.2 AVG, 29 TD, 19 INT, 83 RATPlayer B - 26 years old, 1st year starting - 13 G, 252-393, 64%, 2454 YDS, 6.2 AVG, 10 TD, 17 INT, 72 RATForgetting who went to what college, which player would you take? And would that decision even be a close one? Simply put, Derek Anderson is a far better QB than Charlie Frye. And in time the coaches saw it. And if they were wrong about Frye, wouldn't QB-starved teams like Chicago, Minnesota, New York, Miami, etc been all over him? Frye is a hard worker, was one of the best Zips of all time, and can be a solid backup in the NFL. But that's as far as it goes folks...and that's not the fault of the media, fans, or anyone else.

first of all you realy can't use DA and Frye's first season stats to explain the coaching staffs decision in starting DA instead simply because DA didn't have that year as a starter when charlie got the axe and second I don't think anyone here thinks charlie is without falt in losing his job. yes his first year he didn't have any kind of line what so ever and his one game of his second year as a starter the line wasn't ready for a pukesburg D but he still held the ball far to long and didn't trust his reads. I hope that has changed some in seattle and I hope he gets a starting job again somewhere else where he can shine and also bring some more light to the good ole U of A(side rant)did anyone else get peeved watching the pro bowl game when they made no mention of Akron although they said "there are several SMALL colleges around here" and even though the redskins biggest pickup was a future HOF who graduated from Akron?

[sgm405]

I agree that the media circulates the discussion on every team. I just don't see how Frye was affected by it.Charlie Frye is holding a clipboard in Seattle because he didn't perform when given the opportunity. Had he performed, he'd be starting in Cleveland (or somewhere else). The coaches, front office, and even fans want to win ballgames. After last season's opener, the staff made the decision that Derek Anderson starting gave them the best chance to do so. And they were right - Anderson had a stellar year, was a Pro Bowler, and had the Browns on the brink of the postseason.Player A - 25 years old, 1st year starting - 16 G, 298-527, 57%, 3787 YDS, 7.2 AVG, 29 TD, 19 INT, 83 RATPlayer B - 26 years old, 1st year starting - 13 G, 252-393, 64%, 2454 YDS, 6.2 AVG, 10 TD, 17 INT, 72 RATForgetting who went to what college, which player would you take? And would that decision even be a close one? Simply put, Derek Anderson is a far better QB than Charlie Frye. And in time the coaches saw it. And if they were wrong about Frye, wouldn't QB-starved teams like Chicago, Minnesota, New York, Miami, etc been all over him? Frye is a hard worker, was one of the best Zips of all time, and can be a solid backup in the NFL. But that's as far as it goes folks...and that's not the fault of the media, fans, or anyone else.

first of all you realy can't use DA and Frye's first season stats to explain the coaching staffs decision in starting DA instead simply because DA didn't have that year as a starter when charlie got the axe and second I don't think anyone here thinks charlie is without falt in losing his job. yes his first year he didn't have any kind of line what so ever and his one game of his second year as a starter the line wasn't ready for a pukesburg D but he still held the ball far to long and didn't trust his reads. I hope that has changed some in seattle and I hope he gets a starting job again somewhere else where he can shine and also bring some more light to the good ole U of A(side rant)did anyone else get peeved watching the pro bowl game when they made no mention of Akron although they said "there are several SMALL colleges around here" and even though the redskins biggest pickup was a future HOF who graduated from Akron?

I think it does factor in though, because the argument that many have is that either A) Frye didn't get a chance, The coaches/Browns didn't know what they were doing. And both arguments would seem to be wrong at this point.

[zipseuph]

I agree that the media circulates the discussion on every team. I just don't see how Frye was affected by it.Charlie Frye is holding a clipboard in Seattle because he didn't perform when given the opportunity. Had he performed, he'd be starting in Cleveland (or somewhere else). The coaches, front office, and even fans want to win ballgames. After last season's opener, the staff made the decision that Derek Anderson starting gave them the best chance to do so. And they were right - Anderson had a stellar year, was a Pro Bowler, and had the Browns on the brink of the postseason.Player A - 25 years old, 1st year starting - 16 G, 298-527, 57%, 3787 YDS, 7.2 AVG, 29 TD, 19 INT, 83 RATPlayer B - 26 years old, 1st year starting - 13 G, 252-393, 64%, 2454 YDS, 6.2 AVG, 10 TD, 17 INT, 72 RATForgetting who went to what college, which player would you take? And would that decision even be a close one? Simply put, Derek Anderson is a far better QB than Charlie Frye. And in time the coaches saw it. And if they were wrong about Frye, wouldn't QB-starved teams like Chicago, Minnesota, New York, Miami, etc been all over him? Frye is a hard worker, was one of the best Zips of all time, and can be a solid backup in the NFL. But that's as far as it goes folks...and that's not the fault of the media, fans, or anyone else.

first of all you realy can't use DA and Frye's first season stats to explain the coaching staffs decision in starting DA instead simply because DA didn't have that year as a starter when charlie got the axe and second I don't think anyone here thinks charlie is without falt in losing his job. yes his first year he didn't have any kind of line what so ever and his one game of his second year as a starter the line wasn't ready for a pukesburg D but he still held the ball far to long and didn't trust his reads. I hope that has changed some in seattle and I hope he gets a starting job again somewhere else where he can shine and also bring some more light to the good ole U of A(side rant)did anyone else get peeved watching the pro bowl game when they made no mention of Akron although they said "there are several SMALL colleges around here" and even though the redskins biggest pickup was a future HOF who graduated from Akron?

I think it does factor in though, because the argument that many have is that either A) Frye didn't get a chance, The coaches/Browns didn't know what they were doing. And both arguments would seem to be wrong at this point.

it helps justify but not explain.they couldn't make a decision based on stats they didn't yet have and yes at this point in time you win Charlie sucks and is the scum of the earth but I still have hope that he can turn it around and prove many wrong

[Dr Z]

John Grisham has a paperback out in stores right now called Playing for Pizza. Frye reminds me a little of the main character. Basically, there is this Cleveland QB who has a disastrous performance and goes far away from Cleveland and finds himself. It is an entertaining book that really capturers the low class and thug like behavior of Browns fans and media, especially at the beginning. You guys should pick it up.

I think Frye had to get as far away from Cleveland as possible to clear his head and Seattle was as good of a place as any. It would be nice to be him in a city where he can walk down the street basically unknown and enjoy himself some.

Read this book on vacation last week. Good beach reading book. Very light. I'm not a big reader (maybe two books a year), but I flew through this in two beach days. Don't expect a big plot or even a twist, pretty straight forward and predictable. Entertaining enough for ZN members to enjoy due to the sports theme and the Cleveland Brown's references (not positive though).

As far as the main character reminding me of Charlie? Not really, reminds me more of a Brian St. Pierre than Charlie, but I get where your coming from.

Thanks for the recommendation.