I smell jealousy

[g-mann17]

The only organizations that rank schools are for-profit magazines like USNWR.

That's not entirely true. The National Research Council conducts an extremely thorough survey and ranking of universities and individual departments. They take several years of data into account, which is why they come out less than once a decade. The next rankings are due out this year or the next I believe.Here's a link to the last ones that came out in the 90s. Our OU compatriots might not like what they see.http://www.stat.tamu.edu/~jnewton/nrc_rankings/nrc1.htmlAkron--79Miami--82OU--86

Nice try, but if you read the introduction at the top of the file, it clearly states that those are rankings only of doctoral programs (not undergrad) and only in 41 categories, mostly sciences related. No business. No communications. No undergrad. There are over 100 doctoral program categories overall.

Wow. Too bad for you, so what you're telling everyone here is that you can go to "tough" OU, drink and party your way through to a nice graduate degree? Sorry but your little school in the hills is just way over-rated and you know it.

[zip-O-matic]

Nice try, but if you read the introduction at the top of the file, it clearly states that those are rankings only of doctoral programs (not undergrad) and only in 41 categories, mostly sciences related. No business. No communications. No undergrad. There are over 100 doctoral program categories overall.

And I would counter that--unless you are strictly an elite liberal arts school like Kenyon or Oberlin--how strong your doctoral programs are is directly related to how good your faculty and how good your university is. Funny, OU actually offers MORE doctoral programs than Akron, yet the strength of Akron's gives Akron a higher overall ranking.Also two of the five categories are traditional liberal arts: humanities and social sciences. Two of the other three are traditional hard sciences and still traditional liberal arts & sciences: biological sciences and physical sciences. Only the fifth category of engineering could be said to be outside of the traditional arts & sciences disciplines. Which--despite the brain washing in Athens--are generally considered more indicative of a university's quality than a journalism program.The strength in engineering and the sciences is why I think you'll see both UC and Akron eventually move into the second tier (where OU is near the bottom at 115: not in the first tier, which is the top 50 or 60) and OU drop down into the third tier in the next few years.How good a school's business program is doesn't mean anything beyond how good their business program is. Here are some schools that--despite having world class business schools--don't even offer undergrad business majors. It doesn't seem to damage their undergraduate reputation too much.HarvardChicagoColumbiaSeveral University of California campusesYale

[jupitertoo]

Nice try, but if you read the introduction at the top of the file, it clearly states that those are rankings only of doctoral programs (not undergrad) and only in 41 categories, mostly sciences related. No business. No communications. No undergrad. There are over 100 doctoral program categories overall.

And I would counter that--unless you are strictly an elite liberal arts school like Kenyon or Oberlin--how strong your doctoral programs are is directly related to how good your faculty and how good your university is. Funny, OU actually offers MORE doctoral programs than Akron, yet the strength of Akron's gives Akron a higher overall ranking.Also two of the five categories are traditional liberal arts: humanities and social sciences. Two of the other three are traditional hard sciences and still traditional liberal arts & sciences: biological sciences and physical sciences. Only the fifth category of engineering could be said to be outside of the traditional arts & sciences disciplines. Which--despite the brain washing in Athens--are generally considered more indicative of a university's quality than a journalism program.The strength in engineering and the sciences is why I think you'll see both UC and Akron eventually move into the second tier (where OU is near the bottom at 115: not in the first tier, which is the top 50 or 60) and OU drop down into the third tier in the next few years.How good a school's business program is doesn't mean anything beyond how good their business program is. Here are some schools that--despite having world class business schools--don't even offer undergrad business majors. It doesn't seem to damage their undergraduate reputation too much.HarvardChicagoColumbiaSeveral University of California campusesYale

OK, so were gonna start making stuff up, guys?How about a deeper dive into the facts of the rankings. Someone mentioned that UA's business school is ranked in the "top 6% nationally." Strangely, they don't show up that way in the actual rankings.Yes, there are over 100 doctoral programs. OU has far more than the 41 that are measured here. Akron's programs tend to be more geared toward engineering. That's fine. Yet, your engineering rankings are not higher than OUs.As for OU dropping down a tier in engineering in the near future, I take it you have some inside knowledge of its program? Did you know they got a $90 million gift to the engineering school last year and are building their third new engineering facility in the past five years? Don't count on a drop in their standings.To answer your criticism of the ranking methodologies, US News asked high school counselors to rank schools. Among "National Universities," Ohio ranked 89. Akron ranked 248, in a tie with Cleveland State. Bottom ranking was 260.Our little school in the hills also has an endowment twice that of Akron.

[jupitertoo]

TRUTH SQUAD: "Akron Biz school top 6%"Truth: Rankings of national university programsOhio -- 116Can't, BG -- 158Akron -- not in top 200

[WinZip]

As for OU dropping down a tier in engineering in the near future, I take it you have some inside knowledge of its program? Did you know they got a $90 million gift to the engineering school last year and are building their third new engineering facility in the past five years? Don't count on a drop in their standings.

http://www.uakron.edu/president/detail.dot...campaign%20goal

[jupitertoo]

As for OU dropping down a tier in engineering in the near future, I take it you have some inside knowledge of its program? Did you know they got a $90 million gift to the engineering school last year and are building their third new engineering facility in the past five years? Don't count on a drop in their standings.

http://www.uakron.edu/president/detail.dot...campaign%20goal

Akron endowment: $53 millionOhio Endowment: $312 millionAkron graduation/retention score: 247 of 260 universitiesOhio: 97 of 260 universitiesYou don't understand what capital campaigns consist of -- actual cash in hand (versus free software given by a corporation, as one example of Akron's campaign) makes up endowments. You can't fund research and scholarships with "services in kind."As for your capital campaign, Ohio got a single $90 million from one alumnus specifically for the engineering school.

[ZachTheZip]

http://www.nacubo.org/Images/All%20Institu..._2007%20NES.pdf2007 endowment numbers:Ohio University: $207.7 millionUniversity of Akron: $168.1 millionAre you just making up numbers?

[ZachTheZip]

As for your capital campaign, Ohio got a single $90 million from one alumnus specifically for the engineering school.

$202 million of our capital campaign consisted of a single gift for our engineering program, from one small software company with no connections with the university but they just liked what they saw.

[WinZip]

How has Ohio University's endowment been affected by the recent economic downturn? The endowment is a compilation of assets invested to provide for the ongoing support of the university. Donations to the endowment generate earnings that provide funding for scholarships and an array of other university offerings. The endowment was down 23.9 percent as of November 2008. The university's next actual calculations and benchmarks will be determined by mid-February and should coincide with the release of Gov. Strickland's state budget that will come out in early February. University officials will work to find solutions to any impact that may be realized at that time.

Source:http://www.ohio.edu/budget/faq-schol.cfm

[jupitertoo]

As for your capital campaign, Ohio got a single $90 million from one alumnus specifically for the engineering school.

$202 million of our capital campaign consisted of a single gift for our engineering program, from one small software company with no connections with the university but they just liked what they saw.

It was a gift of software, not cash. You can't spend software.OU's $90 million was cash.I assume your endowment was immune to market conditions? Its value went up when the stock market tanked? Amazing. I suspect things have recovered nicely.

[Zip Watcher]

To answer your criticism of the ranking methodologies, US News asked high school counselors to rank schools. Among "National Universities," Ohio ranked 89. Akron ranked 248, in a tie with Cleveland State. Bottom ranking was 260.

Because high school guidance counselors are the best metric of Universities. That's a new one. Points for creativity sir. :rolleyes:

[jupitertoo]

To answer your criticism of the ranking methodologies, US News asked high school counselors to rank schools. Among "National Universities," Ohio ranked 89. Akron ranked 248, in a tie with Cleveland State. Bottom ranking was 260.

Because high school guidance counselors are the best metric of Universities. That's a new one. Points for creativity sir. :rolleyes:

What is a good metric? So far you have rejected: US News, Carnegie Foundation and High School counselors with college placement responsibility. I'm sure Akron would rank high on, say, a listing of plasma sales by students? Most empty seats at sporting events? Least full-time faculty? Most parking garages? Least parking spaces per enrolled student? Most NCAA violations for a single b-ball coach? Least football recruits to return after freshman year?(Psst. I've taught classes there -- and I don't have a teaching degree.)

[ksu sucks]

What's up with all these trolls the past couple months? Blake, Rumple, and now we add this guy to the list.

[WinZip]

What is a good metric? So far you have rejected: US News, Carnegie Foundation and High School counselors with college placement responsibility. I'm sure Akron would rank high on, say, a listing of plasma sales by students? Most empty seats at sporting events? Least full-time faculty? Most parking garages? Least parking spaces per enrolled student? Most NCAA violations for a single b-ball coach? Least football recruits to return after freshman year?(Psst. I've taught classes there -- and I don't have a teaching degree.)

They just count your big head as 3

[tbozeglav]

So let me get this straight... you came HERE to troll our threads and find every conceivable way (true or not) to prove that OU is far superior to Akron. You started with some simple facts (sources would have gone a long way, fella), but now you've resorted to taking shots at things that aren't even relevant to the discussion.I think someone is a bit desperate to prove a point nobody cares about. But if thats your cup of tea, then more power to ya!

[UADavid]

Ohio University has a long history...........oops!http://www.prism-magazine.org/mar09/feature_01.cfm

[UADavid]

http://newsok.com/article/3049655?mp=1At Ohio University, officials are investigating a cheating scandal that accuses more than 20 mechanical engineering students of plagiarizing parts of their master's theses, some as long as 20 years ago. At least one graduate has been stripped of his degree.http://ipbiz.blogspot.com/2006/09/more-on-...plagiarism.html

[jupitertoo]

http://newsok.com/article/3049655?mp=1At Ohio University, officials are investigating a cheating scandal that accuses more than 20 mechanical engineering students of plagiarizing parts of their master's theses, some as long as 20 years ago. At least one graduate has been stripped of his degree.http://ipbiz.blogspot.com/2006/09/more-on-...plagiarism.html

Geez, that hurts. Shall I dust off the "my roommate is a convicted felon" stories?

[RowdyZip]

One way to rid yourself of an internet troll is to not respond to said troll. I'd be jealous too if I saw a conference foe investing deeply in athletics and in the center of a major population base. Especially if my school were built in the middle of some hills in BFE with zero potential for growth. OU does well in attendence for basketball, sure. Have you tried to find something else to do in Athens on a winter night? Basketball or

[Zipsrifle]

Ok, Ok, I know, "Don't feed the Trolls", but this guy has really lost credibility in my book. I’ve already mentioned that those rankings aren’t worth a hill of beans in my mind; it’s what you produce that matters. OU Engineering is like Bigfoot. You hear about it every once in a while, but there is no evidence it really exists.ONCE during college, I heard someone say their son was going to OU for Engineering. I mentioned that I didn’t think OU had an engineering program because I had never heard of it. I had participated in the Engineering competitions that basically all of the major Engineering schools across the country participate in and OU never participated. Oh, and by the way, “Unranked” Akron OWNED those competitions. After school, I scored a job in Detroit. Since then, I have worked with Engineers from Toledo, Cincinnati, Ohio State, Case, Kettering, Michigan State, Michigan, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech., MIT….the list goes on. I HAVE NEVER COME ACROSS AN ENGINEER FROM OU! Who is hiring all of these outstanding OU grads? Nobody I know. I’m running into Akron Engineering grads all over the place, and they are getting hired all over the place. So, I’ll let you know when I run into an OU Engineer. In the meantime, keep an eye on the “Fastest Growing Engineering Schools” list because while you are putting up buildings, Akron will be putting up huge increases in engineering enrollment. Finally, as a related note, a few years ago when my Brother was graduating from Miami, he mentioned how they had one of the top Engineering programs in the country. Reading through the graduation program, I noted all TWO of their Engineering Graduates in "Paper Engineering".

[g-mann17]

http://newsok.com/article/3049655?mp=1At Ohio University, officials are investigating a cheating scandal that accuses more than 20 mechanical engineering students of plagiarizing parts of their master's theses, some as long as 20 years ago. At least one graduate has been stripped of his degree.http://ipbiz.blogspot.com/2006/09/more-on-...plagiarism.html

Geez, that hurts. Shall I dust off the "my roommate is a convicted felon" stories?

That's really not as bad as huge academic dishonesty cases. See because while UA allowed a felon to be in a dorm room, you basically allowed the integrity of your engineering program to be thrown out the window. That calls into question every degree that has been awarded out of that program. Also your $90 Million, was mostly property if I remember correctly.Listen saturnalso or is it uranusaswell you need to realize that all you have on UA is 66 years and that OU hasn't advanced much since 1804.

[ksu sucks]

Finally, as a related note, a few years ago when my Brother was graduating from Miami, he mentioned how they had one of the top Engineering programs in the country. Reading through the graduation program, I noted all TWO of their Engineering Graduates in "Paper Engineering".

Yup. That was a very misleading statement from your brother. Miami doesn't even have a college of engineering. They only offer certain degrees in some sort of paper engineering that you mentioned. The reality is that BG and Can't don't have a college of Engineering, and OU's COE is practically non-existent(as you pointed out). I'm sure 90 million will certainly help their cause, but they still will have a LOT of catching up to do.Frankly, the only Ohio MAC schools that have Engineering that are worth a damn would be Akron and Toledo.

[jupitertoo]

Finally, as a related note, a few years ago when my Brother was graduating from Miami, he mentioned how they had one of the top Engineering programs in the country. Reading through the graduation program, I noted all TWO of their Engineering Graduates in "Paper Engineering".

Yup. That was a very misleading statement from your brother. Miami doesn't even have a college of engineering. They only offer certain degrees in some sort of paper engineering that you mentioned. The reality is that BG and Can't don't have a college of Engineering, and OU's COE is practically non-existent(as you pointed out). I'm sure 90 million will certainly help their cause, but they still will have a LOT of catching up to do.Frankly, the only Ohio MAC schools that have Engineering that are worth a damn would be Akron and Toledo.

That's just absolutely hilarious. 1,600 undergraduates in the Ohio COE and 290 graduate students. 79 faculty members (full time) -- Akron has 64.Job placement rate in the top 89% among schools nationally.

[zipseuph]

Finally, as a related note, a few years ago when my Brother was graduating from Miami, he mentioned how they had one of the top Engineering programs in the country. Reading through the graduation program, I noted all TWO of their Engineering Graduates in "Paper Engineering".

Yup. That was a very misleading statement from your brother. Miami doesn't even have a college of engineering. They only offer certain degrees in some sort of paper engineering that you mentioned. The reality is that BG and Can't don't have a college of Engineering, and OU's COE is practically non-existent(as you pointed out). I'm sure 90 million will certainly help their cause, but they still will have a LOT of catching up to do.Frankly, the only Ohio MAC schools that have Engineering that are worth a damn would be Akron and Toledo.

That's just absolutely hilarious. 1,600 undergraduates in the Ohio COE and 290 graduate students. 79 faculty members (full time) -- Akron has 64.Job placement rate in the top 89% among schools nationally.

Those numbers of undergraduates and graduate students just kinda makes the statement "never see any" even more sad for you. there are all these students yet non of them seem to make it outside of college. I'm sure their are a few but face it if other top COE's haven't heard of you and actual engineers themselves haven't heard of you then there’s probably something wrong that you'll need far more than 90mill to fix

[zipseuph]

further more what you display is a classic case of insecurity (I'm a music student so psych isn't exactly my best subject but it's still obvious to even me) you come onto a forum from another school and actively look for a thread that talks about yours. I know you had to look for this thing because it had been a while since this one was hit on. as a matter of fact the reason I read your initial post was because this thread popped back up in the active topics and I thought "wow back from the dead I wonder what’s going on" but anyways after spending good time on another schools site looking for something talking about you. you eventually not only find it but also start commenting on it on a religious basis. you sir are insecure about something. I don't know what it is and I honestly to care to know but whatever it is consider this your hug and pat on the back. everything’s gonna be alright little buddy.