A new governing body?

[zip37]

I was watching CBS sports channel last nite, the talking heads discussed the possibility of the schools that make $ with their programs might drop out of the NCAA and form their own enforcement association, due the slowness of the NCAA in making decisions re sanctions against a school.

Sounds like there might be something on the horizon.

Sounds like a good idea to me.

[Bull_In_Exile]

I was watching CBS sports channel last nite, the talking heads discussed the possibility of the schools that make $ with their programs might drop out of the NCAA and form their own enforcement association, due the slowness of the NCAA in making decisions re sanctions against a school.

Sounds like there might be something on the horizon.

Sounds like a good idea to me.

You do realize that no team in the MAC 'Makes $' with their program. This new body would basically be the BCS big six conferences. Not only would this screw over football but also basketball. It would take the top 60 or so programs, by conference, and lock them in. At that poind the Mid Majors all become defacto FCS programs...

It's a good idea for ESPN and the BCS, it screws everyone else..

[GP1]

I was watching CBS sports channel last nite, the talking heads discussed the possibility of the schools that make $ with their programs might drop out of the NCAA and form their own enforcement association, due the slowness of the NCAA in making decisions re sanctions against a school.

Sounds like there might be something on the horizon.

Sounds like a good idea to me.

I agree. Is this the video you were talking about?

If you have not seen it, they talk about the new governing body close to the end.

I've been telling you guys.............

[zip37]

I'm for anything that harms the NCAA, it's nothing but a bureaucratic institution that's looks to make $, look at how they award bids to BB tournament to the conference

tourney winner, not the regular season champ. AND the conferences instituted the tourney to make more $ to support THOSE bureaucrats.

[Quickzips]

I'm for anything that harms the NCAA, it's nothing but a bureaucratic institution that's looks to make $, look at how they award bids to BB tournament to the conference

tourney winner, not the regular season champ. AND the conferences instituted the tourney to make more $ to support THOSE bureaucrats.

Be careful what you wish for. As Bull-In-Exile stated, this is most likely not a good thing for the MAC or Akron. A split like this has been coming for a long time, but the most likely scenario has the BCS conferences fractioning off from the NCAA. This would leave the MAC, C-USA, the Sunbelt, etc. somewhere in college sports purgatory between the BCS and the NAIA. You could pretty well kiss any kind of significant TV deals goodbye, the BCS schools would be taking those with them. The NCAA basketball tournament would be a shell of its former self. The soccer team would probably take the biggest hit as the College Cup would be stripped of top competition like North Carolina, Wake Forrest, Virginia, Indiana, etc. thereby dilluting the significance of future tournament runs by Zips soccer. As much as the NCAA deserves its criticism, and needs to make some changes, this kind of harm to the organization would be akin to cutting off one's own nose to spite one's face.

[Z.I.P.]

I'm for anything that harms the NCAA, it's nothing but a bureaucratic institution that's looks to make $, look at how they award bids to BB tournament to the conference

tourney winner, not the regular season champ. AND the conferences instituted the tourney to make more $ to support THOSE bureaucrats.

Be careful what you wish for. As Bull-In-Exile stated, this is most likely not a good thing for the MAC or Akron. A split like this has been coming for a long time, but the most likely scenario has the BCS conferences fractioning off from the NCAA. This would leave the MAC, C-USA, the Sunbelt, etc. somewhere in college sports purgatory between the BCS and the NAIA. You could pretty well kiss any kind of significant TV deals goodbye, the BCS schools would be taking those with them. The NCAA basketball tournament would be a shell of its former self. The soccer team would probably take the biggest hit as the College Cup would be stripped of top competition like North Carolina, Wake Forrest, Virginia, Indiana, etc. thereby dilluting the significance of future tournament runs by Zips soccer. As much as the NCAA deserves its criticism, and needs to make some changes, this kind of harm to the organization would be akin to cutting off one's own nose to spite one's face.

Didn't listen to the CBS-CSTV, but I find the whole scenario quite hard to believe. But then I never thought the Tea Party would go and blow up the Republican Party either. I was surrounded by anarchists as a student organization director at Portland State a decade ago, but somehow I never imagined anarchy would overtake the establishment. This is truly a whole new world we inhabit.

[GP1]

I'm for anything that harms the NCAA, it's nothing but a bureaucratic institution that's looks to make $, look at how they award bids to BB tournament to the conference

tourney winner, not the regular season champ. AND the conferences instituted the tourney to make more $ to support THOSE bureaucrats.

Be careful what you wish for. As Bull-In-Exile stated, this is most likely not a good thing for the MAC or Akron. A split like this has been coming for a long time, but the most likely scenario has the BCS conferences fractioning off from the NCAA. This would leave the MAC, C-USA, the Sunbelt, etc. somewhere in college sports purgatory between the BCS and the NAIA. You could pretty well kiss any kind of significant TV deals goodbye, the BCS schools would be taking those with them. The NCAA basketball tournament would be a shell of its former self. The soccer team would probably take the biggest hit as the College Cup would be stripped of top competition like North Carolina, Wake Forrest, Virginia, Indiana, etc. thereby dilluting the significance of future tournament runs by Zips soccer. As much as the NCAA deserves its criticism, and needs to make some changes, this kind of harm to the organization would be akin to cutting off one's own nose to spite one's face.

Didn't listen to the CBS-CSTV, but I find the whole scenario quite hard to believe.

It is hard to believe at first blush. If you just look at it a little though, it makes sense. There is nothing in law about the NCAA. Participation is voluntary. I'm sure there are ways to get out of it. Nobody heard about the BCS 20 years ago, but look at where we are today.

I was typing about this over a year ago thinking it would be 5-6 years before anyone caught onto my brilliance. Someone has hit the fast forward button. If I remember correctly, Tim Brando is the person leading the discussion in the video. I don't know who the other two asshats are, but if Brando is talking about it, other people are talking about it. Brando is a good reporter and wouldn't bring it up unless there is something brewing. When he goes to cover SEC games for CBS, he is talking to people at those schools and this idea is coming up more than we might think it does. I have a feeling this idea is going to come up a lot more with the talking heads on TV and radio.

The MAC and UofA need to think carefully about what their plans are going to be over the next few years.

I'd love it if the MAC, Sunbelt, C-USA and pick two other conferences (non-bcs) got together and had their own football division. Four divisions and a playoff system like I describe for the BCS teams. I think the competition would be great and each game would be exciting and fun to watch.

[ZachTheZip]

It might make sense for football where all the top teams would inevitably get in to the new division. Every other sport would be utterly destroyed. No more "mid-major" powers (Akron, UCSB, Tulsa) in soccer because the BCS schools are separated out, no more teams like Cinderellas in basketball; it would all be gone.

Maybe if the teams left the NCAA for just football (is that possible?) it would work. Otherwise, college athletics would be wiped out. The top schools would no longer be beholden to the rules of the NCAA, like fielding a minimum number of sports, following Title IX, or anything like that. Many of the schools would drop dozens of sports and only keep football and men's basketball.

[MDZip]

Maybe if the teams left the NCAA for just football (is that possible?) it would work. Otherwise, college athletics would be wiped out. The top schools would no longer be beholden to the rules of the NCAA, like fielding a minimum number of sports, following Title IX, or anything like that. Many of the schools would drop dozens of sports and only keep football and men's basketball.

Ttile IX is federal law. You're not getting out of that one unless you don't wish to accept any more federal funding. That includes grants.

[zip37]

The program was the Tony Burnhart Show.

[ZachTheZip]

Maybe if the teams left the NCAA for just football (is that possible?) it would work. Otherwise, college athletics would be wiped out. The top schools would no longer be beholden to the rules of the NCAA, like fielding a minimum number of sports, following Title IX, or anything like that. Many of the schools would drop dozens of sports and only keep football and men's basketball.

Ttile IX is federal law. You're not getting out of that one unless you don't wish to accept any more federal funding. That includes grants.

So they drop every sport except what it takes to match football/basketball.

[GP1]

Maybe if the teams left the NCAA for just football (is that possible?) it would work. Otherwise, college athletics would be wiped out. The top schools would no longer be beholden to the rules of the NCAA, like fielding a minimum number of sports, following Title IX, or anything like that. Many of the schools would drop dozens of sports and only keep football and men's basketball.

Ttile IX is federal law. You're not getting out of that one unless you don't wish to accept any more federal funding. That includes grants.

So they drop every sport except what it takes to match football/basketball.

Why would they have to drop any? The additional revenue would enhance their ability to support non-revenue sports. Title IX compliance would actually become more easy for them.

[ZachTheZip]

Maybe if the teams left the NCAA for just football (is that possible?) it would work. Otherwise, college athletics would be wiped out. The top schools would no longer be beholden to the rules of the NCAA, like fielding a minimum number of sports, following Title IX, or anything like that. Many of the schools would drop dozens of sports and only keep football and men's basketball.

Ttile IX is federal law. You're not getting out of that one unless you don't wish to accept any more federal funding. That includes grants.

So they drop every sport except what it takes to match football/basketball.

Why would they have to drop any? The additional revenue would enhance their ability to support non-revenue sports. Title IX compliance would actually become more easy for them.

Because there's no need to keep them. The NCAA requires a minimum of 16 sports to be an FBS member. You only really need 5 or six to keep your revenue-generating sports and satisfy Title IX. Why wouldn't they take all that revenue and re-invest it back into their money-making sports?

Why waste it keeping on rowing team or water polo if you don't have to? If the schools are making this move to leave the NCAA, it's because they see the NCAA as too restrictive and hampering their money-making ambitions. It's purely about profit, so why would they hold up the NCAA's mission of providing opportunities for student-athletes across many sports?

[Zipsrifle]

Wow, I've actually never considered this. It makes a LOT of sense for the "BCS" schools and if they all buy into it, then yea, they could drop all the non-revenue sports and just compete in the sports that make money, the sports 99.9% of the population cares about.

My questions is how will the NCAA react to this? I mean, they are going to lose their cash cows, and probably all of them. If this gets serious, I would expect them to make drastic changes to appease these major schools. I don't see them going down without a fight.

What if less than 100% of the "Major" schools buy into this? Say the Big 10, the Big East, the Big 12 and the PAC 10 buy into this, but not the ACC or the SEC? What if 8 of 12 conference schools buy into this? Would we be back to 2 "National Champions?" Do things evolve into a "Mega Conference" with a playoff something like the NFL?

The only thing that looks good for Akron right now is to keep the status quo. Anything else, another major confrence expansion, a breakoff governing body, etc. is just bad for us right now. In football we are one of the WORST teams in the country and in BB we are, well, Average. Soccer we're good, but is that really a "Revenue" sport? All the more reason we need to be aggressive in getting the FB program turned around.

Makes you think, if things get really nasty, and we do end up in this BCS purgatory, what do you do? Do we sit back and try to break into the new governing body like we moved up to DI-A? Do we throw in the towel and just bail on sports or do we join some type of "Minor League" FCS setup and just live with it?

[Zipsrifle]

On another note, now that I think of it, if this did go down, could Akron sue the new governing body? I mean, we built a $60 million stadium on the premise that it would help our football team improve with the goal of winning a National Championship. Does a new governing body eliminate or significantly impact this goal? I'm not a lawyer, but it makes me wonder??

[GP1]

I mean, they are going to lose their cash cows, and probably all of them. If this gets serious, I would expect them to make drastic changes to appease these major schools. I don't see them going down without a fight.

I wouldn't describe it as a fight as much as caving in. You are correct though. They will make drastic changes is this gets serious.

[RACER]

if this happens all the non bcs schools would,or should refuse to play any of these teams.bcs depend on the non bcs conferences for easy wins.if they make thier own division then some of the 60 teams would then be bottom feeders.

i agree with gp if this happens.take all the schools that are left and have a 16 team playoff.if the ncaa does not want to do this then start your own new orig.this all about keeping the $ for the 60 schools.in the end if this is done right

the schools left in the ncaa might come out better than before.

right now non bcs schools are dying off.this may be a way to

actually improve are situation.it would take guts,but it might work.the main issue is all the non bcs need to refuse to play the bcs schools.let them play four 1-aa teams if that is what happens.