GoZipsGoZips Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 Meves has seen 21 Shots on Goal… and has allowed 3 goals… one out of every 7 GK…………….SOG……GA Meves………..21………3 UConn……....34………2 http://www.uconnhuskies.com/sports/m-socce...2/teamcume.html Maryland…….29……..7 http://www.umterps.com/sports/m-soccer/sta...2/teamcume.html UNC…………….33……..7 http://tarheelblue.cstv.com/sports/m-socce...2/teamcume.html Louisville……..29……..5 http://www.uoflsports.com/sports/m-soccer/...2/teamcume.html Although Meves see far less SOG than most teams (due to his fantastic Defenders in front of him)… Meves compares well with other top teams in Shots on Goal to Goals Against !!! But… when we look at his performance Game by Game… here’s what we see: Game____________________S.O.G.____Saves___G.A. Cleveland State______________1________1_______0____Good Game Cal State Fullerton____________4________4_______0____Good Game Cal State Northridge__________1________0_______1____Bad Game St Louis____________________2________2_______0____Good Game New Mexico_________________2________1_______1____Bad Game (also a Yellow Card for delaying another Nationally Televised Game) Cal Poly____________________3________3_______0____Good Game Tulsa______________________7________7_______0____Good Game Ohio State__________________1________0_______1____Bad Game (Team had a SOG and a SAVE) Some Questions for ZipsNation: Are the comments a fair assessment of a Good Game and a Bad Game? Against Northridge and Ohio State... Meves gave up 1 goal on 1 shot on goal... and against New Mexico he gave up a goal on 2 shots (SOG). That's not good defending! Is a GK who has 5 Good Games and 3 Bad Games acceptable for a National Champonship caliber team? Granted... Meves helped get us there last year... but he has had the best defense in College Soccer in front of him for 3 years now. Maybe the 2011 D is not quite as good as the past 2 years as we have a young group out there now. Is his performance in 2011 worthy of an All-American ??? Based on Goals Allowed… maybe… based on Good Game –vs- Bad Game… maybe not. Has Meves improved since his outstanding year in 2009... or has he turned into an Average GK? And... is he cooked for the MLS? Last year, only 3 GKs were selected in the SuperDraft. Does Meves have a chance at playing Pro... based on his up and down performance? Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisbee Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 I think your timing is terrible. This discusion more appropriate after this season is completed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoZipsGoZips Posted October 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 While your points may have merit I think your timing is terrible. This discusion more appropriate after this season is completed. Mid-season grading is very common on ESPN.com for every sport... and on other sites for every sport. Meves scares me... and he scares other too. The time to be scared is now... not after he throws a playoff game. Porter has to be thinking along the same line. Do some research. He didn't bring in a load of GKs for kicks. He brought them in to push Meves... and to try to make him return to form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zip Watcher Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 ... not after he throws a playoff game. Are you sure you wouldn't like to retract or edit your question? What exactly are you insinuating??! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyake Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 While your points may have merit I think your timing is terrible. This discusion more appropriate after this season is completed. Mid-season grading is very common on ESPN.com for every sport... and on other sites for every sport. Meves scares me... and he scares other too. The time to be scared is now... not after he throws a playoff game. Porter has to be thinking along the same line. Do some research. He didn't bring in a load of GKs for kicks. He brought them in to push Meves... and to try to make him return to form. This is crazy talk!! Meves did an amazing job last year during the playoffs, especially when it came down to penalty kicks. I highly doubt Porter has ever been worried with him under goal. My only nag about Meves is his foot strength, but considering Akron doesn't play the long ball, it's not a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jem101 Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 It's unfair to say he only had one SOG and he didn't make the save, so therefore he is a lousy keeper. I don't recall the first two goals he gave up, but I know that the goal he gave up against OSU was a well placed shot and there wasn't much he could do. It was more the defenders' fault than Meves's. Meves did very well on making quick decisions on crosses into the box and therefore actually stopped SOG from happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyake Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 It's unfair to say he only had one SOG and he didn't make the save, so therefore he is a lousy keeper. I don't recall the first two goals he gave up, but I know that the goal he gave up against OSU was a well placed shot and there wasn't much he could do. It was more the defenders' fault than Meves's. Meves did very well on making quick decisions on crosses into the box and therefore actually stopped SOG from happening. the problem with soccer stats is that they don't keep stats for things like preventing shots on goals. Meves is really good and with a little leg strength, could find himself playing in the MLS. His stats for USL Chicago Fire: SOG - 38 GA - 3 Saves - 35 GAA - .426 SO - 5 He saved 92% of the shots on goal. http://www.uslsoccer.com/teams/2011/22315.html#STATS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yazan07 Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 It's unfair to say he only had one SOG and he didn't make the save, so therefore he is a lousy keeper. I don't recall the first two goals he gave up, but I know that the goal he gave up against OSU was a well placed shot and there wasn't much he could do. It was more the defenders' fault than Meves's. Meves did very well on making quick decisions on crosses into the box and therefore actually stopped SOG from happening. the problem with soccer stats is that they don't keep stats for things like preventing shots on goals. Meves is really good and with a little leg strength, could find himself playing in the MLS. His stats for USL Chicago Fire: SOG - 38 GA - 3 Saves - 35 GAA - .426 SO - 5 He saved 92% of the shots on goal. http://www.uslsoccer.com/teams/2011/22315.html#STATS I remember the Chicago Fire PDL got kicked out of the US Open Cup on a 3-0 loss to Sporting Kansas City (the senior squad, not a PLD team) so if he really only had three goals against him all summer, that means all three came from a professional team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zip37 Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 I have never played soccer, at any level, so cannot make a judgement, his w/l record is outstanding, and that's all that matters. By the way, who was that Phantom that blocked a PK by UC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew8 Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 It's unfair to say he only had one SOG and he didn't make the save, so therefore he is a lousy keeper. I don't recall the first two goals he gave up, but I know that the goal he gave up against OSU was a well placed shot and there wasn't much he could do. It was more the defenders' fault than Meves's. Meves did very well on making quick decisions on crosses into the box and therefore actually stopped SOG from happening. the problem with soccer stats is that they don't keep stats for things like preventing shots on goals. Meves is really good and with a little leg strength, could find himself playing in the MLS. His stats for USL Chicago Fire: SOG - 38 GA - 3 Saves - 35 GAA - .426 SO - 5 He saved 92% of the shots on goal. http://www.uslsoccer.com/teams/2011/22315.html#STATS I remember the Chicago Fire PDL got kicked out of the US Open Cup on a 3-0 loss to Sporting Kansas City (the senior squad, not a PLD team) so if he really only had three goals against him all summer, that means all three came from a professional team. Those regular season stats don't include the US Open Cup. Someone told me Porter requests PKs never to be recorded for or against. Did anyone notice in the match with Cal Poly, Caldwell's PK was not in the Zips highlight video, only the celebration afterwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akzipper Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 A good team makes a mediocre goalie look good. He barely gets any shots on goal and fumbles the ball very often. But most of all his attitude bothers me. I had to sit behind the goal during the Cal tourney game last year and he was screaming at the players 90% of the time. Now I understand sometimes he may be telling them to make adjustments, but it was more the case of him flipping out every time Cal got a shot on goal. It's like he never has any shots on goal and when he actually does, he throws a temper tantrum because he has to do some work for a change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ando Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 I'd imagine that using save% to judge a keeper's merit is as erroneous as using field percentage to judge a baseball player's defensive abilities. I have to think there's some sort of UZR equivalent for goalkeepers, though I guess could see it having every bit as much statistical noise. Does anyone know if Porter uses some sort of match analysis service, or if there's any of that sort of thing gets conducted in-house? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbozeglav Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 Someone told me Porter requests PKs never to be recorded for or against. Did anyone notice in the match with Cal Poly, Caldwell's PK was not in the Zips highlight video, only the celebration afterwards. thats more common than you think, but yes. The less information your opponent has on your PK tendencies (strengths/weaknesses), the better off you are... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyake Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 It's unfair to say he only had one SOG and he didn't make the save, so therefore he is a lousy keeper. I don't recall the first two goals he gave up, but I know that the goal he gave up against OSU was a well placed shot and there wasn't much he could do. It was more the defenders' fault than Meves's. Meves did very well on making quick decisions on crosses into the box and therefore actually stopped SOG from happening. the problem with soccer stats is that they don't keep stats for things like preventing shots on goals. Meves is really good and with a little leg strength, could find himself playing in the MLS. His stats for USL Chicago Fire: SOG - 38 GA - 3 Saves - 35 GAA - .426 SO - 5 He saved 92% of the shots on goal. http://www.uslsoccer.com/teams/2011/22315.html#STATS I remember the Chicago Fire PDL got kicked out of the US Open Cup on a 3-0 loss to Sporting Kansas City (the senior squad, not a PLD team) so if he really only had three goals against him all summer, that means all three came from a professional team. http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2011...chicago-pdl-3-0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roogangs Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 If we are going to be grading Meves: I think we should also grade Barson and his D crew, Caldwell and his M crew, and Mattocks and his F crew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDZip Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 I just know this. I trust Caleb Porter absolutely. If he thinks Meves is our best goalkeeper, end of discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbozeglav Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 I just know this. I trust Caleb Porter absolutely. If he thinks Meves is our best goalkeeper, end of discussion. THIS. If theres anyone who knows who our best keeper is, its Porter. He knows our guys better than all of us combined, and he'd put someone better out there if he knew Meves wasn't the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yazan07 Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 GoZipsGoZips started this thread and the "time to look at another GK" thread. My suspicions of him being Anthony Ponikvar's mother are starting to rise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyake Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 GoZipsGoZips started this thread and the "time to look at another GK" thread. My suspicions of him being Anthony Ponikvar's mother are starting to rise. I'm suspecting he's a relative or friend of another gk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jem101 Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 A good team makes a mediocre goalie look good. He barely gets any shots on goal and fumbles the ball very often. But most of all his attitude bothers me. I had to sit behind the goal during the Cal tourney game last year and he was screaming at the players 90% of the time. Now I understand sometimes he may be telling them to make adjustments, but it was more the case of him flipping out every time Cal got a shot on goal. It's like he never has any shots on goal and when he actually does, he throws a temper tantrum because he has to do some work for a change. Have you ever seen Tim Howard the USMNT keeper? He screams at his defenders constantly. That's just part of being a take charge keeper. Absolutely no problem with that. I was watching the Everton match today, which is where Howard plays his club football and he was doing the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisbee Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 A good team makes a mediocre goalie look good. He barely gets any shots on goal and fumbles the ball very often. But most of all his attitude bothers me. I had to sit behind the goal during the Cal tourney game last year and he was screaming at the players 90% of the time. Now I understand sometimes he may be telling them to make adjustments, but it was more the case of him flipping out every time Cal got a shot on goal. It's like he never has any shots on goal and when he actually does, he throws a temper tantrum because he has to do some work for a change. Have you ever seen Tim Howard the USMNT keeper? He screams at his defenders constantly. That's just part of being a take charge keeper. Absolutely no problem with that. I was watching the Everton match today, which is where Howard plays his club football and he was doing the same thing. Totally agree with you JacobM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ando Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 I'm not really big on barking and actually wish timmy did less of it, but a lot of keepers do it Again, my eyes tell me Meves is good not great, but I'd be curious to see a heatmap of his range or something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoZips Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 Someone told me Porter requests PKs never to be recorded for or against. Did anyone notice in the match with Cal Poly, Caldwell's PK was not in the Zips highlight video, only the celebration afterwards. thats more common than you think, but yes. The less information your opponent has on your PK tendencies (strengths/weaknesses), the better off you are... AMEN, this killed us against Maryland in the NCAA's a couple of years back. They had plenty of footage of us shooting and defending PK's and we had none of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoZips Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 I am going to chip in my views on David Meves. A number of folks including some ZipsNation posters know that I have been sour on Mr. Meves for a long time. First off, the tOSU goal this year was NOT his fault. The excellent tOSU player slipped between the two Zips defenders and fired a clean, hard to defend shot. Goal Ohio State. Again, not Meves fault. That said. He stinks. Forget the weak leg.He has no business punting the ball EVER. His poor play cost Akron a win over Ohio State last year in Columbus. Seventeen seconds to play and he punts the ball to midfield with the Zips leading 2-1 and OSU a man down. They promptly made a counter attack and scored with three seconds to play. That ball should never have been punted. It was a STUPID, seven grade level play. Throw the ball to one of your defenders when the referee starts toward you to warn you of delaying the game. That is smart soccer. He was foolish to give up possession of the ball with so little time remaining. It was a bone head play that had me seething all the way home as Dave In Green and Hilltopper can attest to. Worse, his poor play nearly cost the Zips in the NCAA tournament against California by allowing two goals late in the game. It took a shoot out to advance after holding a two goal advantage. This year he has been listless and playing like a high schooler. An assistant coach told me at the end of last season that they knew what Meves needed to do to improve. Well, he hasn't. His play is weak and uninspired. I am pleased that others are now noticing his poor play. I am not pleased that he is playing so poorly. An earlier post noted that a lot of his miscues were covered by the excellent defenders the Zips had in 2009 and 2010. I agree. One thing to remember, Caleb Porter has confidence in Meves or he would be collecting splinters in his ass. I just want to see David play better and more consistently. No more punting the ball up field, ever. He sucks at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ando Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 his distribution really isn't that bad when you take into account that he can make some excellent throws Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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