gozips19 Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 thought i'd share how the zips did against some of the bigger schoolsthe zips finished 64th in the nation according to rivals these are the rankings of some teams we did better than or finished close to.minnesota 62northwestern 81indiana 84uconn 85cincinnati 106south fla. 59we are really close to taking the program to a new level and the stadium will do that....keep j.d. and look out!GO ZIPS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZipAnalyst Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 A value added post.The signifcance of this post with its rankings is that when we read in the newspaper and see on television about "so and so" going to, let's say Indiana - is that, if a recruit was offered an Akron U scholarship, but chose Indiana - he is going to see over the ensuing year or so that he did not make the best choice in terms of where the program is heading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liljc Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 That's the thing that makes me the happiest. All these kids CHOOSE to come to Akron. JD keeps going head to head with the BIG TEN and winning. I love it. Great facilities and a great staff are the keys. Now, let's build a beautiful stadium, and keep Brookhart here! :macc: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosAngelesZipFan Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 THIS is the angle that would be nice to see the BJ and PD cover-- I would even be OK with slavish devotion they show to Cowlumbus State if they at least covered UA achievements like this recruiting class.For instance...the PD has give NO coverage to UA's new landscape. A $400 million project-- as big as Gateway (The Jake and Q)-- and no coverage, no description, no architectural critique, no "look at what's tranforming Akron and isn't that great for NEO". Pisses me off... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gozips19 Posted February 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 i'd thought i'd add one more piece of information on some of the zips newest recruits.... ohiovarsity just did a review of the mac schools in ohio and put akron at the top with terrell williams and the mac's top recruiter! the review states that the zips had a major upgrad in team speed with this class.listed as the gem of the class is david harvey "He has big play potential every time he touches the ball"top players listed are mickey baker "As a freshman he was named 1st Team All-Jayhawk Conference. He plays linebacker like a big safety. He's a big hitter and sure-tackler."dantes barnes "He has the size and the speed to match up with the big, physical wide receivers you see in the college game today."andre boone combines speed and power and matched with his vision, he is a dangerous weapon out of the backfield. With the late addition of Aaris Reed, a 5-foot-9, 183-pound running back from Maryland, the Zips have a potent ground attack.mark jackson He's a big, powerful guy that doesn't give up on plays. He could become an impact player early in his career.and the sleepers in the class are listed ascurtis brown Brown claims that he's a possession type receiver and after watching his film, he's about as sure-handed as any receiver I've seen at the same stage in his career.wayne cobham and delvin davis teammates at Pembroke Pines, Florida. Cobham, a 6-foot-1, 180-pound defensive back and Davis, a 6-foot, 160-pound defensive back, have added immediate depth to the Zips' defensive secondary. the more i read about this class the better they sound! its only a matter of time before we knock off a bigger school and make the nation take notice!GO ZIPS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZipAnalyst Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 Thanks for the added information gozips19.We expect to hear coaches (who did the recruiting) say that they did well. But we fans do not want to be kidding ourselves (not that the coaches are kidding themselves in this instance). When the Zips put a first-rate team (skill wise) on the field, the seats will start filling up. Right now the Zips are only attracting hard core loyalists and band wagon fans (MAC Championship & Motor City Bowl). This team has potential now but that is exactly what it is. Superior recruiting classes will be the impetus to make potential reality.A quality team with credible quality opponents will be the carrot that will fill the bowl or any facility the Zips play in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 Great stuff!Things are going well!I hope we do well this season and win the MacEast again.I heard Miami is building an indoor practice facility, and all I can think is "hmmm, I wonder where they got that idea?". Obviously they recognized that it gives us one more advantage in recruiting. So, I hope we beat them and recruiting leverage will continue (I know there is more to recruiting than this, but it's the perks that the players see, along with success).A new stadium is the next step (along with the obvious, which is continued success on the field). I wish some people would step it up and make this a high profile issue. We need a few people in city and county government to pick up the torch on this along with a high profile person to put a face on the stadium effort, such as, say, Charlie Frye for example....and to muster up government and corperate backing for the new stadium. It's the next step, but it's a big one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToledoRockets Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 You guys act like you invented the idea of an indoor facility. Can't has one too, so does CMU, WMU, BGSU, etc. Listen, 30+ national TV appearances in the last eight years is worth way more to our program than your indoor facility is to yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gozips19 Posted February 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 yeah toledo has been great and will continue to be a very good program (unless your coach has a heart attack) but we are focused on what our program has accomplished in such a short period of time. in that time frame we have caught up with the top teams in the conference and have done that with a poor (at best) stadium. we have the mo working for us and about to take it to another level i hope that ut can follow and help the mac become a better conference. with that being said our class is way better than yours! GO ZIPS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToledoRockets Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 yeah toledo has been great and will continue to be a very good program (unless your coach has a heart attack) but we are focused on what our program has accomplished in such a short period of time. in that time frame we have caught up with the top teams in the conference and have done that with a poor (at best) stadium. we have the mo working for us and about to take it to another level i hope that ut can follow and help the mac become a better conference. with that being said our class is way better than yours! GO ZIPS! First of all, I would hardly say you "caught up" with the rest of the MAC. You guys were 7-6 and 13-11 over the last two years. We have averaged 9-3 over the last five years, 12-straight winning seasons and a bowl game four of the last five years.And as far as the recruiting class goes, Rivals, and only Rivals, thinks you have a good class. According to Scout, it is not very good at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipper Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Toledo, here is what you're not getting. Akron's indoor facility is nicer than many of the top BCS programs in the country. It's certainly the finest in the MAC by a wide margin, may be the best in the Midwest and is a top facility in the country. Other coaches recognize this. Mike Shanahan was floored when he saw it and said the same thing. You seem to be the only "expert" who has a different opinion.P.S. You can kiss your superiority in the MAC goodbye. Let's see, I can send my kid to play for your slob of a coach, or Brookhart - polished, professional and the coach of two Belitnikoff winners and the Heisman runner up. Hmmm.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToledoRockets Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 ...and if you want to play in bowl games and on national TV and win numerous championships, come to Toledo. Amstutz may be a big guy, but he is the best, and winningest coach in the Mid-American Conference and we have sent more men to the NFL than Crackron ever will. In addition, we have the top DC in the MAC as well.Nobody cares how nice your practice facility is. Big deal. Can't State has one that is basically the same thing and look what it does for them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Nobody cares how nice your practice facility is. Big deal. Can't State has one that is basically the same thing and look what it does for them!You are in denial my friend. When NFL teams rave about your facility, you can bet it helps recruiting top talent when they get a look at it. But even so, as I said (since I was the one who brought up the indoor practice facility), I did say it was only one step, one part of the overall forumula. Before you can recruit talent, you need to be able to recognize it, and you need to find ways to bring them in. Once you get them in, there are a lot of things that can impress them into signing. That is the part of the forumula for which this has some bearing.But even with an eye for talent, and a knack for drawing them in, you also need a lot of thing before that. Success on the field. Bowl game appearences. Players who get NFL contracts. TV/media time for games. Fan base and game atmosphere. Campus life and offcampus environment. Geography/ Proximity.Coach Personalities, philosophies, and past successesWord of mouth from friends, players, and grapevine.History/Legacy/HeritageSome of these things need building. We need to work on what we can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToledoRockets Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 I agree with all of your post except the practice facility. NFL coaches also rave about the Can't State facility as well. The Steelers and the Browns have also used Can't's facility and it has not done squat for them. Cower loves the Can't facility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 I agree with all of your post except the practice facility. NFL coaches also rave about the Can't State facility as well. The Steelers and the Browns have also used Can't's facility and it has not done squat for them. Cower loves the Can't facility.Hypothetical:So, you are a nationally ranked highschool ballplayer and you are looking around. You have alot of things to consider (and these considerations vary from person to person), but if you visit 10 schools, and you narrow your choice down to two or three. Does the fact that one of your choices has a plush indoor facility as well as other campus perks, the other(s) have outdoor practice fields in northern climates with concrete locker rooms, wood benches, and slimey shower floors.... are you suggesting that this doesn't make a difference in your perception of your football experience for the next 4 years?Perhaps I exaggerate to make a point. Still, my question is whether it makes some difference to your contention it makes none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 I agree with all of your post except the practice facility. NFL coaches also rave about the Can't State facility as well. The Steelers and the Browns have also used Can't's facility and it has not done squat for them. Cower loves the Can't facility. The Zips have about as much in common with Can't as Toledo does with Buffalo. Can you make a relevant point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToledoRockets Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Yes, you are exaggerating.The relevent point is that just because you have a great practice facility does not mean you have a great program. The facility at Can't is just as nice and it does not help them at all. We do not have one and it does not hurt us at all.And Akron has a lot more in common with Can't State than Toledo does with Buffalo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 And Akron has a lot more in common with Can't State than Toledo does with Buffalo. I can't see where you're coming from?Toledo's football recruiting classes were ranked a lot closer to Buffalo than Akron's was to K-ent? Buffalo and Toledo's hoops programs seem to suck equally as bad now-a-days. I thereby contend you are more athletically aligned with Buffalo.Now go watch the Zips game tape and learn how to beat NIU in football (Note: We did it twice, so you have a lot of tape to view). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liljc Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 This toledorockets guy just never quits. He thinks every comment made on this site is in reference to Toledo. Get over yourself, dude. Yes, you guys have a nice football program, and a good coach, but you don't have to whole MAC to yourself. Akron is doing a nice job recruiting and it's starting to show on the field of play. Guess what, you're gonna have to deal with the Zips for the next few years. Are you guys gonna be able to keep up? Show us on the football field. I am amazed at how worried you are about Zips athletics. You're concerned because we're on the rise. We get it already! Remember, we're :macc: ,not your rockets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gozips19 Posted February 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 i agree.... the reason i put the info up was to talk about the recruits akron got this year not to talk about the indoor facilities. todelo had a good class as well just not as good as ours. akron's class rivals some of the bcs schools and i wanted to share that with the nation! if you have any comments on akron's recruiting class please feel free to add on. if not, start your own topic.GO ZIPS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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