Winning does not get old

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So once again....if Winters has been pursued at any higher level.....even a I-AA school....I'd like to know about it.

Then who's pursuing Matt Campbell?

Five years ago he was in graduate school. Today, he's already worked his way up to an OC for a D1-A school. Does that answer your question?

That does not answer my question. Let me repeat. Who is actually showing interest in Matt Campbell as a head coach at any level of football?

This is really ridiculous. He's been in coaching for only 5 years, and has already moved all the way up to an OC for a D-1A school. Obviously, people have been showing interest in him, and have been moving him up the coaching ranks pretty quickly.

It's probably the perfect example to support the point that when you are a good coach, people take notice, and your career moves forward. And he's still only 32 years old.

I'm sure none of us could guess if this guy is ready to be a head coach right now. But, he's certainly moving upward very quickly at this point. I would guess that his next career move won't include spending the next decade at a D-II school in the pits of Detroit.

[Zipsrifle]

I'd be extremely hesitant to hire a D-III HC to take over a D-I program (MUC's Kehres) largely because of the necessity of handling scholarships. Not that a D-III coach couldn't learn quickly, but, none-the-less, I'm tired of UA coaches learning on the job.

However, what's the big deal about hiring a D-II HC as opposed to a D-IAA (FCS ) coach? Football is football, right? Just because the athlets are bigger/faster/stronger @ the D-I level than they are @ the D-II level, the strategy of the game is the same, right? The D-III & D-II players all know the game just as well as the D-I players. The playbooks are just as lengthy and complicated. The defensive schemes just as complex.

Thus, with Paul Winters already having extensive experience recruiting D-I caliber players (being able to evaluate D-I talent), I don't see any risk at all in this hire.

For those that played football at a higher level, or understand the X's & O's better than I do, what am I missing? Anything?

False. Coaching is just like playing. The cream of the crop rises up through the higher ranks. There is a reason guys like Les Miles, Jim Tressel, Nick Saban, etc...are where they are. The same thing goes for NCAA coaches moving up to the NFL and failing. Every level is different and you can't always predict success at one level to the next.

Thank you. This is what I have been saying all along. I think for the most part, coaches that are buried in obscurity are there for a reason...nobody wants them. And college coaching is a pretty tight fraternity. Guys that are doing a great job tend to get noticed, and get frequent offers for better opportunities.

So once again....if Winters has been pursued at any higher level.....even a I-AA school....I'd like to know about it.

This article proves nobody else hass looked at Winters.

Full Story: http://detnews.com/article/20111125/SPORTS...-built-a-winner

[you am i]

Paul Winters has been under the radar nationally. Up until the last couple of years, he had done a solid, if unspectacular, job as head coach. The past few years they have become a D-II powerhouse. He is a little old for a first time D-I head coach and that works against him.

Campbell is too young for a bigger program to pick, but he would be a nice choice for a MAC school willing to take a chance.

I think Akron is the only MAC school with a coaching vacancy. If so, that's a little unusual. Most years, somebody is getting a better job and a few coaches are being shown the door. If other MAC schools were looking for a coach, there could very well be competition for Campbell.

New facilities notwithstanding, its hard to see this job as being attractive to anyone with options.

A Cincinnati Bearcat messageboard says that Akron has interviewed Winters, Mark Stoops, Pete Lembo of Elon, and Ed Warriner of Kansas,

[you am i]

Paul Winters has been under the radar nationally. Up until the last couple of years, he had done a solid, if unspectacular, job as head coach. The past few years they have become a D-II powerhouse. He is a little old for a first time D-I head coach and that works against him.

Campbell is too young for a bigger program to pick, but he would be a nice choice for a MAC school willing to take a chance.

I think Akron is the only MAC school with a coaching vacancy. If so, that's a little unusual. Most years, somebody is getting a better job and a few coaches are being shown the door. If other MAC schools were looking for a coach, there could very well be competition for Campbell.

New facilities notwithstanding, its hard to see this job as being attractive to anyone with options.

A Cincinnati Bearcat messageboard says that Akron has interviewed Winters, Mark Stoops, Pete Lembo of Elon, and Ed Warriner of Kansas,

Scratch that reference to the Bearcat messageboard. That was an old post form our previous vacancy. Lembo took the Ball State job and I think Warriner is now with Note Dame.

[RACER]

i would not doubt that a asst coach job at some big ten schools winter is getting offers from would pay almost the same as we will offer our new head coach.that's why we will never get a proven winner coach/cordinator ect from a d-1 level.urban meyer by himself will make about 2x what our entire football budget comes to.

[ZipperRoo44]

This has the potential of being pretty bad based on the rumors flying around of trying to make a splash hire. Not a lot of cash to float as a result of the buyout and non existent support for the program from donors and ticket sales. None of the names being mentioned here are responding according to one former coach that I talked to who told me that Winters may even have hesitation in going to work for Akron. There has not been a major coaching hire since 2006 that has worked out and the only money that is coming in that is significant is the men's basketball NCAA Tournament multi-year revenue share. This cycle of uncertainty is a reflection of the merry go round of athletic leadership and the lack of a clear direction from the Upper Administration of the University.

We need to get a coach who is capable now. Recruiting is already underway and more than likely we will not have a coach in place for another 10-14 days. That means we will not have a staff in place until after the first of the year so recruiting is pretty much toast for the class of 2012 high school graduates. The last two recruiting classes have been pretty bad so 3/5 of the roster for 2012 will be putrid. Only by getting the right coach can we reverse this slide, which may actually get worse before it gets better. Hard to fathom.

[Zip_ME87]

Although it wasn't football, Bob Huggins came to Akron from Walsh, where he was quite successful. He went on to take Akron to our first NCAA Tournament appearance in our D-1 era. Then he moved on to Cincy, Kansas State, and WVU and throughout has been to the Final Four several times. A successful lower division head coach can definitely be successful at D-1 if the coach is a winner and is driven to be a winner.

No. He was an assistant coach at Central Florida right before coming here. He also had served as an assistant at Ohio State and West Virginia early in his career.

Yes, you are correct that Huggins spent 1 year as an assistant at UCF after Walsh, before coming to Akron. He also had other D-1 experience as you mention. I never said that he didn't. I still hold that a lower division head coach can be successful in D-1. There's no perfect answer to who our new head coach should be. There's risk in any candidate who is chosen, but I prefer someone who has been successful actually being a head coach.

[Blue & Gold]

...Winters may even have hesitation in going to work for Akron.

Jeez, I hope not.

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Although it wasn't football, Bob Huggins came to Akron from Walsh, where he was quite successful. He went on to take Akron to our first NCAA Tournament appearance in our D-1 era. Then he moved on to Cincy, Kansas State, and WVU and throughout has been to the Final Four several times. A successful lower division head coach can definitely be successful at D-1 if the coach is a winner and is driven to be a winner.

No. He was an assistant coach at Central Florida right before coming here. He also had served as an assistant at Ohio State and West Virginia early in his career.

Yes, you are correct that Huggins spent 1 year as an assistant at UCF after Walsh, before coming to Akron. He also had other D-1 experience as you mention. I never said that he didn't. I still hold that a lower division head coach can be successful in D-1. There's no perfect answer to who our new head coach should be. There's risk in any candidate who is chosen, but I prefer someone who has been successful actually being a head coach.

You're right. There is no formula. If there was, everyone would follow it.

But, I just wanted to clearly point out that Huggins had much more on his resume than just being a low division head coach. And did not come here directly after his time at Walsh.

[johnnyzip84]

...Winters may even have hesitation in going to work for Akron.

Jeez, I hope not.

Interesting information on what Elton thinks Winters makes at Wayne St.

[ZachTheZip]

...Winters may even have hesitation in going to work for Akron.

Jeez, I hope not.

Interesting information on what Elton thinks Winters makes at Wayne St.

If we can't offer $450k to whoever we hire, we'll be behind the curve from the start. Since we hired Ianello, the average MAC coaching salary has gone beyond what we paid him. And it sends a bad message if we aren't willing to pay at least the conference average, and not even 1/3rd of what the average FBS coach makes.