zippy_ua_00 Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Im afraid to post what im thinking but its gonna be difficult for us to attract any coach. We are..the browns of college football. It will take an absolutly ridiculous amount of money to get a "name" coach. Why would any good or up and coming coach wanna come to akron where there is a history of losing, small crowds, an AD that is in dissary and will fire u after 2 years if unsuccessful, especially if this same coach can go to a better team with more pieces in place and make a bigger check. I hope im wrong, but if we cant even get a former alum and player, that is at a school 2 divisions lower than we are, what makes anyone think we can get a decent coach to come here with little or no ties to the program or the area Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class of 82 Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Reading that Detroit article really ruined my morning. Winters is not going to be the next coach. I have zilch confidence in the "powers that be" getting this right. In short, we are doomed. Other than that, I'm really optimistic about the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZipperRoo44 Posted December 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Obviously, Winters comments could be spun MANY ways. But certainly, there is the chance that he is one of those guys that is comfortable in what he has built and wants to continue to see it through. 2 local examples are Larry Kehres at Mount Union and Chuck Kyle at Saint Ignatius. Those are guys that had MANY opportunities to leave and got to higher profile, higher paying jobs. But they love where they are, the situation they are in, etc. I hope TW sits down with him and says early in the interview, "Paul= I f'd up. You should have been our coach 2 years ago and I screwed it up. Luckily, my boss is giving me a 2nd chance." Kehres is successful at Mt Union because he is the AD and funnels all of the department resources to football, along with having his wife in charge of admissions and financial aid. That is a pretty sweet gig that not many other schools could/would replicate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZipRoo Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Two comments on posts above: 1) Give the new guy a "six-year deal minimum" ???? ARE YOU NUTS?! Hopefully UA learned its lesson with the 5-year deal it awarded to a first-time loser. 2) Please stop using the "we fired a coach after only two years" as a negative point to boost your argument. Firing Ianello after two years was the ONLY positive thing TW has done at UA. Sheesh. What, did you want him to STAY or something?? Some mornings, the level of stupidity really takes off... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-mann17 Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Two comments on posts above: 1) Give the new guy a "six-year deal minimum" ???? ARE YOU NUTS?! Hopefully UA learned its lesson with the 5-year deal it awarded to a first-time loser. 2) Please stop using the "we fired a coach after only two years" as a negative point to boost your argument. Firing Ianello after two years was the ONLY positive thing TW has done at UA. Sheesh. What, did you want him to STAY or something?? Some mornings, the level of stupidity really takes off... +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class of 82 Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Two comments on posts above: 1) Give the new guy a "six-year deal minimum" ???? ARE YOU NUTS?! Hopefully UA learned its lesson with the 5-year deal it awarded to a first-time loser. 2) Please stop using the "we fired a coach after only two years" as a negative point to boost your argument. Firing Ianello after two years was the ONLY positive thing TW has done at UA. Sheesh. What, did you want him to STAY or something?? Some mornings, the level of stupidity really takes off... Well said. Having to pay a guy a high salary is one thing. Locking that in for half a decade before you know what you have is just, well, really dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Two comments on posts above: 1) Give the new guy a "six-year deal minimum" ???? ARE YOU NUTS?! Hopefully UA learned its lesson with the 5-year deal it awarded to a first-time loser. 2) Please stop using the "we fired a coach after only two years" as a negative point to boost your argument. Firing Ianello after two years was the ONLY positive thing TW has done at UA. Sheesh. What, did you want him to STAY or something?? Some mornings, the level of stupidity really takes off... Well said. Having to pay a guy a high salary is one thing. Locking that in for half a decade before you know what you have is just, well, really dumb. Having fired the last coach after only 2 seasons, and having a HUGE rebuilding project to undertake where the first 2 seasons are going to be absolutely abysmal, probably means some out-of-the-ordinary guarantees are going to be included in the new coach's contract. I know I'd demand them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Reading that Detroit article really ruined my morning. Winters is not going to be the next coach. I have zilch confidence in the "powers that be" getting this right. In short, we are doomed. Other than that, I'm really optimistic about the future. PW takes a glancing shot at UA in the article, but remember that he is likely still in an emotional place after having just played in the championship game. I also believe that it would be difficult to reconcile leaving a program you built from scratch to start the whole painful process over again. Add to that ambivalence his having been blown off a couple years ago by TW. From recent quotes that I've read from PW, he seems like a solid, if emotional, guy. I'm not going to read too much into the situation based on the Detroit news article, but given all we've heard it is my hope that PW will be named today or tomorrow. I'll be disappointed if he isn't the next head coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class of 82 Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Two comments on posts above: 1) Give the new guy a "six-year deal minimum" ???? ARE YOU NUTS?! Hopefully UA learned its lesson with the 5-year deal it awarded to a first-time loser. 2) Please stop using the "we fired a coach after only two years" as a negative point to boost your argument. Firing Ianello after two years was the ONLY positive thing TW has done at UA. Sheesh. What, did you want him to STAY or something?? Some mornings, the level of stupidity really takes off... Well said. Having to pay a guy a high salary is one thing. Locking that in for half a decade before you know what you have is just, well, really dumb. Having fired the last coach after only 2 seasons, and having a HUGE rebuilding project to undertake where the first 2 seasons are going to be absolutely abysmal, probably means some out-of-the-ordinary guarantees are going to be included in the new coach's contract. I know I'd demand them. Good point, Capn, as usual. However, there are a lot of ways to structure contracts that are fair and reasonable to both sides. I'm supposing that's why coaches have agents and universities have lawyers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZipRoo Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 If you were PW, how excited would YOU be to take the call from a guy who--only a scant two years ago--blew you off in favor of the single worst head football coaching hire in college history? Suck on that one for a minute... Before you even step foot on campus, you know that your new boss would be a buffoon in the decision-making department. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-mann17 Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 If you were PW, how excited would YOU be to take the call from a guy who--only a scant two years ago--blew you off in favor of the single worst head football coaching hire in college history? Suck on that one for a minute... Before you even step foot on campus, you know that your new boss would be a buffoon in the decision-making department. I would feel really good because I would know I had all the power at that point. I'm being called by this buffoon because someone is telling him to call me, not because he chose to call me. I know he is just a figure head for the process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Zip Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 So let me get this straight....if you interview somewhere one year and you get passed over for a guy who isn't as talented as you....nearly all of you people would have issue if you were presented the opportunity to do it again? Do you live in the real world? This is not show friends this is show business to quote Jerry Maguire. This is his job not some emotional break up with your high school girlfriend. The differences for Paul.more cashhigher profile jobcareer progression -- a step forwardbeing closer to familyrebuilding process Working for a guy who didn't hire you before is low on the totem pole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZipperRoo44 Posted December 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Two comments on posts above: 1) Give the new guy a "six-year deal minimum" ???? ARE YOU NUTS?! Hopefully UA learned its lesson with the 5-year deal it awarded to a first-time loser. 2) Please stop using the "we fired a coach after only two years" as a negative point to boost your argument. Firing Ianello after two years was the ONLY positive thing TW has done at UA. Sheesh. What, did you want him to STAY or something?? Some mornings, the level of stupidity really takes off... Well said. Having to pay a guy a high salary is one thing. Locking that in for half a decade before you know what you have is just, well, really dumb. All of the "name" coaches that you mention are people that have promising futures, so why would they come to Akron and work for a lame duck administration and for a school that allows for coaches, for whatever reason, to get the hook after less than 24 months. Look around at the coaching contracts that are being signed elsewhere, where the cupboards are not so bare - 5 years is a minimum. With a major rebuilding job like Akron we'd be lucky to get anyone for less than 6 years. Half a decade to you is only 1 year more than the minimum to get all of a new coach's players in to a system. Players run on 5-year cycles, not 4, because football players redshirt their first year. If you want to go all juco then you can shorten this process, but how did that work with Faust and Brookhart. The fact is that it is going to take 3 years minimum to build up a on field leadership base and some level of talent that will equal out to 4-5 wins overall in a 12 game season. If you think that we are going to hire someone who is going to shortchange that scenario then you also believe in Santa and the Tooth Fairy. This year's recruiting class is a wash. 2012 will be a bad year, worse than 2011. The coaches need to establish a system and begin recruiting for impact in February 2013. Sign a solid class in 6 weeks of hard working kids from solid programs, even if they are not MAC level blue chippers - you need people who have been a part of winning. Add to that solid MAC level blue chip classes in 2013 and 2014 which will yield us on-field talent in 2014 and 2015 respectively. Add in the occasional transfer or JUCO QB and you can get something special by 2015 that may lead us back to a bowl game. 2012, 2013, 2014 are building years. MAC teams that win do so with upperclassmen and we have no one on this roster who can get the job done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-mann17 Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 To ZR44, The firing of Ianello sends a message that we won't tolerate losing. Any coach coming in thinking they should get 4 years of "pass" doesn't belong here. The cupboard wasn't bare and he couldn't win, couldn't even coach right. Ianello got fired for more than just his losing record. The fan base was mad, there was huge pressure to get rid of him, he was doing nothing to connect to the community, and he was barely getting any recruiting done during the year. He wouldn't meet with any donors, and had angered several players with his lack of wanting to change anything. He was canned because he should have been. Any coach coming in is offered 5 years, even Ianello was. But every coach should be aware of the fact that regression two years in a row is failure and grounds for termination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Snyder Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 So let me get this straight....if you interview somewhere one year and you get passed over for a guy who isn't as talented as you....nearly all of you people would have issue if you were presented the opportunity to do it again? Do you live in the real world? This is not show friends this is show business to quote Jerry Maguire. This is his job not some emotional break up with your high school girlfriend. The differences for Paul.more cashhigher profile jobcareer progression -- a step forwardbeing closer to familyrebuilding process Working for a guy who didn't hire you before is low on the totem pole. +1 Ask Treadwell at Miami. Passed over twice for hs dream job at his alma mater. He said yes without hesitation. He and Bates have a great relationship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 If you were PW, how excited would YOU be to take the call from a guy who--only a scant two years ago--blew you off in favor of the single worst head football coaching hire in college history? Suck on that one for a minute... Before you even step foot on campus, you know that your new boss would be a buffoon in the decision-making department. I would feel really good because I would know I had all the power at that point. I'm being called by this buffoon because someone is telling him to call me, not because he chose to call me. I know he is just a figure head for the process. If Caleb Porter, Dennis Mitchell and Keith Dambrot have figured out a way to work under this administration, Winters should be able to figure it out too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZipperRoo44 Posted December 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 To ZR44, The firing of Ianello sends a message that we won't tolerate losing. Any coach coming in thinking they should get 4 years of "pass" doesn't belong here. The cupboard wasn't bare and he couldn't win, couldn't even coach right. Ianello got fired for more than just his losing record. The fan base was mad, there was huge pressure to get rid of him, he was doing nothing to connect to the community, and he was barely getting any recruiting done during the year. He wouldn't meet with any donors, and had angered several players with his lack of wanting to change anything. He was canned because he should have been. Any coach coming in is offered 5 years, even Ianello was. But every coach should be aware of the fact that regression two years in a row is failure and grounds for termination. You contradict yourself in your first sentence. Was iCoach fired for losing or more than just his losing record. Nonetheless, if you think that there is legitimate MAC title level talent on the field here you and I simply see things differently. Talent takes time to develop and anyone who tries to cut corners will get caught in the gate. The lack of recruiting that you mention is even more gas for my argument as no recruiting = no talent = no results. If we find the coach that can win games on their strategy alone, without anyone to execute on the field, then we have done something altogether. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-mann17 Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 You contradict yourself in your first sentence. Was iCoach fired for losing or more than just his losing record. Nonetheless, if you think that there is legitimate MAC title level talent on the field here you and I simply see things differently. Talent takes time to develop and anyone who tries to cut corners will get caught in the gate. The lack of recruiting that you mention is even more gas for my argument as no recruiting = no talent = no results. If we find the coach that can win games on their strategy alone, without anyone to execute on the field, then we have done something altogether. That's not a contradiction. We don't tolerate losing. But iCoach did more than just lose. Those guys quit on him for a reason. Who knows why. But there is talent there because I've watched them play. I never said win a MAC title the first year. I did say win games and be bowl eligible by year 3, and there is no reason you can't do that. Temple has done it, UL-Lafayette has done it, FIU has done it. The right coach gets performance out of his players and can bring talent in to make a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronad Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 From my perspective, it wasn't that Icoach lost. It was he was losing really, really badly! If he were losing games 23-17, 24-21,etc. It would still be losses, however, it would have need just a bit of tinkering. But, getting blown out every week, became the norm for I coach. I think that Dr. Proenza and TW had seen more than enough to warrant a canning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Winters is OUT, according to the PD. Happy for Paul and Wayne State. Worried about us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronad Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 If that is the case, then it looks like Loeffler or Johnson of a dark horse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jalapeño Zippy Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Winters is OUT, according to the PD. Happy for Paul and Wayne State. Worried about us. +1...a sad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-mann17 Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Well it should only be a matter of time for an announcement then. Way to waste our time Tommy Boy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 George Thomas should have the news on PW by the end of the day tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronad Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 George Thomas should have the news on PW by the end of the say tomorrow. You're beeing too gracious to George. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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