skip-zip Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 you do realize we beat a top 25 team on the road this year, right? we also have 4 wins over teams in the top 100...(8 wins over top 100 if we win out) this board is ridiculous... I think it's only 3 wins, but that really doesn't matter. Did you possibly forget about the 8 losses to try to prove a point? It's probably 3-4 wins short of even attracting any attention at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 I guess I just don't understand how some Zips fans can be so focused on the bad and others on the good. Why not try to see both the good and bad and put it all in perspective? From my perspective, the Zips have underperformed in OOC game results and overperformed in MAC game results to date. It's disappointing that they didn't take the next step of winning enough OOC games against top 100 teams to merit NCAA tournament at-large consideration. But it's exciting that they have so far this season taken the next step in conference play with an 11-1 record and a 2-game lead over their nearest competitors with 4 games left in the regular season. If the Zips win 3 of the last 4, they will have their best MAC record ever and clinch their first ever MAC regular season championship. They can add to that by winning the MAC tournament and earning an invitation to the NCAA tournament for the 3rd time in the last 4 years. And if they do get to the NCAA tournament, they still have the firepower to win a game or two if they've learned from their past mistakes and execute to their full abilities. So, regardless of what's happened to date, the Zips are still in a position to make this their best season ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 I guess I just don't understand how some Zips fans can be so focused on the bad and others on the good. Why not try to see both the good and bad and put it all in perspective? From my perspective, the Zips have underperformed in OOC game results and overperformed in MAC game results to date. It's disappointing that they didn't take the next step of winning enough OOC games against top 100 teams to merit NCAA tournament at-large consideration. But it's exciting that they have so far this season taken the next step in conference play with an 11-1 record and a 2-game lead over their nearest competitors with 4 games left in the regular season. If the Zips win 3 of the last 4, they will have their best MAC record ever and clinch their first ever MAC regular season championship. They can add to that by winning the MAC tournament and earning an invitation to the NCAA tournament for the 3rd time in the last 4 years. And if they do get to the NCAA tournament, they still have the firepower to win a game or two if they've learned from their past mistakes and execute to their full abilities. So, regardless of what's happened to date, the Zips are still in a position to make this their best season ever. I agree with you, and I just want to add: The MAC is NOT repeat NOT a two bid conference. Our focus ALWAYS needs to be on the MAC competition, because that is our only shot at the NIT/NCAA. It would be nice to win some quality games, but it is infinitely more important to win the MAC. THEN we get the chance to beat quality games in the Dance. And we should have won that game against Notre Dame last year, we played just like we did against ORU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 I agree with you, and I just want to add: The MAC is NOT repeat NOT a two bid conference. Our focus ALWAYS needs to be on the MAC competition, because that is our only shot at the NIT/NCAA. It would be nice to win some quality games, but it is infinitely more important to win the MAC. THEN we get the chance to beat quality games in the Dance. And we should have won that game against Notre Dame last year, we played just like we did against ORU. If you play in one of the weaker conferences and lose your conference championship and automatic NCAA tournament bid, your only hope of getting an at-large bid is to schedule a number of strong OOC opponents and beat most of them. The only reason the MAC is not a two-bid conference is because no MAC team has yet won enough of its OOC games to merit an at-large bid. The Zips OOC schedule was strong enough this season that if they had won a few more beyond Mississippi State and Marshall, they definitely would have been in the running for an at-large bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 If you play in one of the weaker conferences and lose your conference championship and automatic NCAA tournament bid, your only hope of getting an at-large bid is to schedule a number of strong OOC opponents and beat most of them. The only reason the MAC is not a two-bid conference is because no MAC team has yet won enough of its OOC games to merit an at-large bid. The Zips OOC schedule was strong enough this season that if they had won a few more beyond Mississippi State and Marshall, they definitely would have been in the running for an at-large bid. In your dreams. Sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 I keep forgetting, when was the last time the MAC had two teams in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hip Zip Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 I keep forgetting, when was the last time the MAC had two teams in? Without looking, I'd think that would have been one of the years when Wally played for Miami ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Without looking, I'd think that would have been one of the years when Wally played for Miami ??? Correct! 1999 So the next time the MAC DOES get two teams in it, we're all going to party like it's ____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Zips' RPI is currently rated higher than ever -- #65 even with a 19-8 record. Their previous best RPI was #67 in 2006-2007 with a 26-7 record. This has always been my argument, right here. And it's now proven to be true. Our national standing increases, even with a much worse winning percentage, simply by adding some tougher competition to the OOC schedule. I'm guessing this answers a question on this topic for some of the more stubborn posters on here. Would you rather see us win 25+ games and get noticed by nobody? Or, would you be OK with winning a few less games but having an opportunity to get an At-Large bid ? I'm begging our people to put the Zips in position to pursue the 2nd option, every single time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 So what would have been the highest-rated MAC team since 1999 that did not receive the conference's automatic bid and was snubbed by the NCAA tournament selection committee? Which MAC team had a season's body of work which was so good compared with other teams that there was widespread outrage that the team did not receive an at-large bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gczip22 Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 I think it's only 3 wins, but that really doesn't matter. Did you possibly forget about the 8 losses to try to prove a point? It's probably 3-4 wins short of even attracting any attention at all. Miss St., Marshall, Ohio and Can't St...if Marshall continues winning, that's 2 top 50 wins on the road If you're going to harp on the 8 losses, be sure to include its the only losses we have... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Miss St., Marshall, Ohio and Can't St...if Marshall continues winning, that's 2 top 50 wins on the road If you're going to harp on the 8 losses, be sure to include its the only losses we have... That's why I said 3 wins or 4 wins doesn't matter. Focus on the wins all you want, but a 4-8 record against Top 100 teams isn't going to get anyone's attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Zips win over Mississippi State is starting to look a little better right now, as the Bulldogs lead #1 Kentucky by 13 at the half, 41-28. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gczip22 Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 That's why I said 3 wins or 4 wins doesn't matter. Focus on the wins all you want, but a 4-8 record against Top 100 teams isn't going to get anyone's attention. Win out and we're 9-8 vs top 100... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Zips win over Mississippi State is starting to look a little better right now, as the Bulldogs lead #1 Kentucky by 13 at the half, 41-28. Uhhhh, not really, second half stats more important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Yeah, I was afraid of what might happen in the second half. Interesting that MSU had Kentucky down by its largest margin of the season before finally losing. MSU seems to be a lot like the Zips in that they can be brilliant at times but not consistent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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