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[MRasor0200]

I did a little research tonight and found that Akron is going after more quality players than any school in the MAC, according to Scout.com.Rivals.com, meanwhile, ranks Akron fourth.Here's the link: blogs.ohio.com/rasor

[rocketfootball]

There is a problem with using recruiting services, especially this early in the recruiting year. Toledo has always been very low on these lists and that has A LOT to do with our coaches wanting to keep things hush-hush. It's been that way ever since Amstutz has been the coach. He will not let any recruiting information leak out and he even appears to persuade recruits to keep things quiet. He tries to get recruits that verbal to keep quiet to the media.According to the public UT does not have any verbals yet, but that is probably not the case.A perfect example is DB Barry Church last year. He was publicly saying that it was between Toledo and Cincy from October through December. Finally, in late December he announced that he was going to Toledo. However, he actually verballed to the UT coaching staff back in June.Another example is RB Dontae Jones last year. The recruiting services didn't even list him with interest in Toledo until November. Yet he visited Toledo in September and verballed right away.Some players that signed with Toledo last year were not listed with offers (and some not even with interest) from Toledo until the day before signing day. Yet many of these guys verballed long before.Last year the first public verbal to Toledo was a kid that later decommitted to sign with UCONN. He publicly verballed to Toledo in July. The next public verbal was October. Yet Toledo had about 5 or 6 verbals before the season even started.This year Toledo doesn't have many scholarships open. He have 15 scholarship players that are seniors. Many of the players we have offered scholarships to have verballed to BCS schools. We are going after some really highly rated recruits. Rivals.com is not listing several of the players anymore that had offers from Toledo and verballed to other schools. There were at least 4 or 5 more 3-star players that now don't show up with even an offer from Toledo all of a sudden. Can't really figure that one out.Anyway, because we won't have a big class, we can be very selective and go for some really good recruits. And don't believe that UT hasn't received any verbals yet this year just because the public doesn't know about them.

[liljc]

Er, uh, ok. So, there we have it. Toledo signed some players last year, and will probably sign some more this year. Excellent!

[rocketfootball]

Er, uh, ok. So, there we have it. Toledo signed some players last year, and will probably sign some more this year. Excellent!

Wow, you are very smart. The point is that just because the recruiting services and media don't know of any verbals to Toledo and don't know of man recruits that Toledo is going after........doesn't mean that Toledo is having a down year in recruiting. It is the same for Toledo every year, and we always do OK in recruiting.

[UADavid]

Er, uh, ok. So, there we have it. Toledo signed some players last year, and will probably sign some more this year. Excellent!

Wow, you are very smart. The point is that just because the recruiting services and media don't know of any verbals to Toledo and don't know of man recruits that Toledo is going after........doesn't mean that Toledo is having a down year in recruiting. It is the same for Toledo every year, and we always do OK in recruiting.

Thanks for the explanation!

[liljc]

Er, uh, ok. So, there we have it. Toledo signed some players last year, and will probably sign some more this year. Excellent!

Wow, you are very smart. The point is that just because the recruiting services and media don't know of any verbals to Toledo and don't know of man recruits that Toledo is going after........doesn't mean that Toledo is having a down year in recruiting. It is the same for Toledo every year, and we always do OK in recruiting.

Oh, I get it. Toledo. Toledo. Toledo. Toledo. Toledo.

[Quickzips]

Fact of the matter is Toledo has done just fine for years finding that hidden talent in guys that noone else gives a second thought. Nothing wrong with it at all, just not a conventional way of doing things.

[rocketfootball]

Fact of the matter is Toledo has done just fine for years finding that hidden talent in guys that noone else gives a second thought. Nothing wrong with it at all, just not a conventional way of doing things.

That is very true. However, at the same time we get the highly regarded recruits too.Redshirt freshman running back DaJuane Collins is going to play a lot this year and may even be the starter. He was rated 3 stars by Rivals and ranked as the #50 running back in the nation. He had several scholarship offers......including Boston College, Penn State, Purdue, and Minnesota. He did official visits to Toledo and Minnesota and ended up choosing Toledo.This past recruiting season running back Dontae Jones signed with Toledo. Rated 3 stars by Scout.com and ranked as the #22 running back in the South, #88 running back in the country. Also on the Orlando Sentinel Top 100 players in Florida list.These are just two examples. Barry Church was a 3 star recruit last season that chose Toledo over Cincinnati, Maryland, NC State, Iowa, Indiana, and West Virginia. He was rated the #42 safety in the nation by Rivals and the #63 safety in the nation by Scout.DB Desmond Marrow was only 2 stars, but the co-Defensive Player of the Year in the state of Ohio Division IV and had offers from Miami University and Pittsburgh before signing with Toledo.DT Nate Cole was rated 3 stars by Scout and ranked as the #9 DT in the Midwest and 83rd nationally. Chose Toledo over UCF and Louisville.OL Jared DeWalt was a 3 star by Rivals and ranked #60 at offensive guard in the nation. Had offers from Akron, Miami University, Cincinnati, West Virginia, Bowling Green, and some other non-bcs schools before signing with Toledo.DE/ILB Joe Underwood was only 2 stars, but chose Toledo over Miami University, Akron, and Bowling Green.DE Sylaar Constant was only 2 stars, but chose Toledo over Miami University, Akron, Bowling Green, and Ohio University.DB Mark Jackson was only 2 stars, but chose Toledo over Akron, Miami University, and Vanderbilt.OL Jan Gewont rated 3 stars by Rivals and the #24 prospect regardless of position in the state of Illinois. Had offers from Kansas, Iowa State, UCONN, and several non-bcs schools before committing to Toledo.QB Aaron Opelt was only 2 stars, but did not attend any scouting combines. He was rated the #3 QB in the state of Ohio and #14 QB in the Midwest by Scout. Chose Toledo over Cincinnati.Several others received offers from BCS schools, but chose Toledo instead. Also, notice the theme of players that Akron offered that went to Toledo. If we can't get any good recruits, why are guys we are signing having offers from BCS schools and schools like Akron, BGSU, and Miami University?By the way, don't believe all that you read on Rivals or Scout. I looked at them closer and there are several good recruits that UT has offered and are in the mix for that the recruiting services don't mention Toledo at all.

[Captain Kangaroo]

I don't think Toledo needs to expain too much regarding their recruits. They've sustained a high level of success for longer than anyone in the MAC. Saban, Pinkel, Amstutz...they plug in a new coach and roll on. You can't do that without great athletes.I look forward to playing them this season. It's been too long.BTW: I was at the Rubber Bowl the last time we played Toledo. We scored a TD to bring us within 10 points late in the 4th quarter. Rather than go for two, Owens kicked the extra point, leaving it a 9-point, 2-possession game. I never thought I'd see a dumber coaching move in my life...until I saw Owens on-side kick vs. Liberty when we were up 41-14.

[Ryno aka Menace]

I don't think Toledo needs to expain too much regarding their recruits. They've sustained a high level of success for longer than anyone in the MAC. Saban, Pinkel, Amstutz...they plug in a new coach and roll on. You can't do that without great athletes.I look forward to playing them this season. It's been too long.BTW: I was at the Rubber Bowl the last time we played Toledo. We scored a TD to bring us within 10 points late in the 4th quarter. Rather than go for two, Owens kicked the extra point, leaving it a 9-point, 2-possession game. I never thought I'd see a dumber coaching move in my life...until I saw Owens on-side kick vs. Liberty when we were up 41-14.

Man i remember that day I was like what the hell are you doing? I think some people get so programmed they don't think. Ultimately it cost him his job.