Frye is #1

[Zippysgotagun]

Let's not forget what that "terrible" quarterback Jeff Garcia did last year in Donovan McNabb's absence: 8 games, 10 TD, 2 INT, 95.8 QBR.If anything other than proving that Browns fans are misguided at best (It was all his fault the team sucked, right?), this shows that the jury is still out on Frye. It's absolutely impossible to accurately gauge how good a QB he is. Personally, I lean that he's not much more than a middle of the pack starter at best. Think Trent Dilfer when Baltimore won the Super Bowl. Really good? No. What Baltimore needed? Definitely. Charlie can contribute to an NFL team, but he will go absolutely nowhere without more talent around him. Frye seems to be a QB that absoultely must have a good running game to play effectively. Manning, Brady, etc., though they frequently do get run support, can get it done without. I just don't think Charlie can. Most of his mistakes come when he tries too damn hard. The less he has to try, the better. That probably doesn't make much sense, but I know what I mean, and I suppose that's all that really matters to me....

[Dr Z]

When dime bag Cribbs is laughing at you, maybe Frye has nothing to worry about?I can still picture Cribbs 100 MPH 10 yard pass 5 foot in front of his intended target.Friday, August 10, 2007Tony GrossiPlain Dealer ReporterThat love affair between Browns fans and Brady Quinn is on hold. Something keeps coming between them.There was that 11-day holdout over money. Then there was that PR fiasco about charging $75 for his autograph. When he finally rejoined his team and was scheduled to show off his arm for the first time in front of fans, practice was moved indoors by coach Romeo Crennel because of wet weather.Hundreds of fans - some who traveled far - were turned away because the team's indoor facility cannot accommodate spectators.For Quinn's sake, it may have been just as well.What they missed was an overeager Quinn trying to throw the ball through concrete walls."Some of us were laughing, the way he was showing his arm off," said receiver Josh Cribbs.

[Buckzip]

These threads are amazing to read regarding Frye. We have some posters here that think Frye is Joe Montana. Others that think he sucks.He is neither. He is an ok NFL QB. He is not a star and he does not suck. He will probably be a career backup with some good starts mixed in.

[Dr Z]

Crennel even joked that he might toss a coin before the game to determine whether Frye or challenger Derek Anderson...

Does anyone believe that he was only joking?!?!? I think this may be the way Crennel has been coaching since arriving at Cleveland

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING !?!?!?

[g-mann17]

...He is neither. He is an ok NFL QB. He is not a star and he does not suck. He will probably be a career backup with some good starts mixed in.

To me, the biggest problem with the modern day fan is that they determine if a player is a star or a has been before they even take their first step into a pro-scenario.To anyone that says Frye does not have skills associated with other top QB's in the league I would say this. He was initially predicted to a 5th round pick, everyone moved his stock up after private workouts. Tom Brady was initially slated as a 3rd to 4th round pick. His stock dropped him to the second day (6th round to be precise). You do the math on that one.The problem with Northeast Ohio is that we are all so hungry to say we have the best sports team that we have all lost our patience. Give Frye some time.

[ZachTheZip]

Crennel even joked that he might toss a coin before the game to determine whether Frye or challenger Derek Anderson...

Does anyone believe that he was only joking?!?!? I think this may be the way Crennel has been coaching since arriving at Cleveland

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING !?!?!?

Umm... Wow. Just Wow.

[Zipsrifle]

Well, apparently it is a foregone conclusion that Quinn will start later this year. If he had just signed and been in camp day one, he would have been the starter from the get go. Sure his first practice was terrible, but he's good for it. Sould be an interesting year!

[sgm405]

How about Jacksonville (Leftwich, Garrard, and even Couch), Kansas City (Huard, Croyle), Minnesota (Jackson, Bollinger), Tampa Bay (Garcia, Gradkowski, and about 16 other worthless QBs)?  Frye seems just as good as any of these players and they all have better offensive lines than Cleveland had last year!!!

Jacksonville has Leftwich and Garrard, both better than Frye. KC has Brock Huard, who did pretty ell replacing Trent Green. Tampa has Garcia, who isn't what he used to be but is a former pro bowler and still pretty good. Baltimore has McNair (better now) and Smith (better prospect for the future). Detroit has Kitna, who isn't great but is better. Maybe Atlanta...maybe Minnesota...but even on those two teams he wouldn't be a clear-cut favorite.

Jacksonville was rumored to be dumping Leftwich in the offseason, and their starting QB situation is said to be "open" going into this preseason. They were even in the market for Cullpepper before signing Tim Couch...yes, this is the same Tim Couch that blew in Cleveland.Kansas City has Damon Huard, not his brother Brock. Right now, he wouldn't even be their starter - Brodie Croyle is listed atop their depth chart and is said to be having a far better camp than the 34-year-old Huard so far this year.Tampa Bay is going to start Garcia. This is the same Garcia that got run out of Cleveland because he was so bad. The same Garcia they couldn't wait to get rid of. If the Bucs had that much faith in him, would they really have pursued Plummer and still invest money in Luke McCown? (BTW, they also have Chris Simms and Bruce Gradkowski on their roster). For the record, they also looked into Cullpepper when he was dumped by Miami and picked up by OaklandSo, to say that Frye wouldn't have a chance to start over Leftwich/Garrard, Croyle, and Garcia is nuts. I'd take him over this bunch of stiffs in a hearbeat.

2007 Statistics------------------Damon Huard - 61%, 11 TD, 1 INT, 98 RATByron Leftwich - 59%, 7 TD, 5 INT, 79 RAT (58/15/5/89 the year before when healthy)Jeff Garcia - 62%, 10 TD, 2 INT, 96 RATCharlie Frye - 64%, 10 TD, 17 INT, 72 RATSoooo how exactly is Frye better than those guys?And again - What does Charlie Frye do especially well?

[ZippyBoy]

2007 Statistics------------------Damon Huard - 61%, 11 TD, 1 INT, 98 RATByron Leftwich - 59%, 7 TD, 5 INT, 79 RAT (58/15/5/89 the year before when healthy)Jeff Garcia      - 62%, 10 TD, 2 INT, 96 RATCharlie Frye    - 64%, 10 TD, 17 INT, 72 RATSoooo how exactly is Frye better than those guys?And again - What does Charlie Frye do especially well?

Hate to be cliche, but you can find a stat to argue anything. Huard is a career backup QB with the exception of starting a couple of games for a crappy Dolphins team in 1999. Lucky to have one of the best offensive lines in football, he had a couple of good games last year when Green almost died on the field. If you like a guy who can call plays in from the sideline, he's your guy! He's so good at it, that he'll do it again tonight against the Browns when Croyle starts (http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/227659.html)I stand by my previous argument on Jacksonville. The fact that the QB position is an open competition between Leftwich and Garrard, and the fact that they looked into signing numerous QBs this offseason (i.e., Cullpepper and Couch) means they are not satisfied with either.Garcia is easy is an easy argument...would you want someone like this leading your team?!?! I know the Browns didn't a couple years ago...if the Browns can't find a spot for you on their roster, you are not good!"if it looks like a rat and smells like a rat, then by golly it's a rat." -T.OwensDoesn't matter if you don't think Charlie has skills...the fact is none of these other guys do...that's why he could challenge for a starting spot on these teams. That was the point of the conversation in the first place.

[Sergeant Zip]

Frye to start tonight

[ZachTheZip]

Stats from tonight's game:C. Frye 12/15 122 8.1 0 0D. Anderson 7/16 76 4.8 0 0K. Dorsey 6/9 52 5.8 0 0Team 25/40 247 6.2 0 0QB ratings:Frye - 109.03Anderson - 111.90Dorsey - 102.78

[Buckzip]

Stats from tonight's game:C. Frye 12/15 122 8.1 0 0D. Anderson 7/16 76 4.8 0 0K. Dorsey 6/9 52 5.8 0 0Team 25/40 247 6.2 0 0QB ratings:Frye - 109.03Anderson - 111.90Dorsey - 102.78

I am not a math major, nor do I fully understand the QB rating system. However, that can't be right. Frye is 12-15, Anderson is 7-16. Neither of them threw a TD or a pick, yet Anderson has a higher rating. ????

[ZachTheZip]

Stats from tonight's game:C. Frye          12/15 122 8.1  0 0D. Anderson 7/16 76 4.8  0 0K. Dorsey 6/9 52 5.8  0 0Team           25/40 247 6.2 0 0QB ratings:Frye - 109.03Anderson - 111.90Dorsey - 102.78

I am not a math major, nor do I fully understand the QB rating system. However, that can't be right. Frye is 12-15, Anderson is 7-16. Neither of them threw a TD or a pick, yet Anderson has a higher rating. ????

Heh. I just realized that I reversed the completions and the attempts. I had Anderson going 16 for 7. lolHere are the fixed ratings:Frye - 100.56Anderson - 58.33Dorsey - 81.71That better resembles how it looked like each one played during the game. Frye was clearly better than the competition in this game. Sure, his mistake at the end of the half likely cost them 3 points, but it's preseason and it's not like the others did much better.

[sgm405]

Stats from tonight's game:C. Frye          12/15 122 8.1  0 0D. Anderson 7/16 76 4.8  0 0K. Dorsey 6/9 52 5.8  0 0Team          25/40 247 6.2 0 0QB ratings:Frye - 109.03Anderson - 111.90Dorsey - 102.78

I am not a math major, nor do I fully understand the QB rating system. However, that can't be right. Frye is 12-15, Anderson is 7-16. Neither of them threw a TD or a pick, yet Anderson has a higher rating. ????

Heh. I just realized that I reversed the completions and the attempts. I had Anderson going 16 for 7. lolHere are the fixed ratings:Frye - 100.56Anderson - 58.33Dorsey - 81.71That better resembles how it looked like each one played during the game. Frye was clearly better than the competition in this game. Sure, his mistake at the end of the half likely cost them 3 points, but it's preseason and it's not like the others did much better.

I'm sorry, but his gift TD for KC and horrid clock management towards the end are inexcusable. He may end up starting, but he'll just be keeping the seat warm for a few weeks, no matter how much I hate Brady Quinn.

[Sergeant Zip]

A fair analysis of Frye's performance last night.My favorite part was when he stated that "... all I can say is that if it had been Brady Quinn who turned in the performance that Charlie Frye did last night, the local media would be falling all over itself anointing him as the team's savior. Unfortunately for Charlie, the party line on him is that he's yesterday's news..."

[sgm405]

A fair analysis of Frye's performance last night.My favorite part was when he stated that "... all I can say is that if it had been Brady Quinn who turned in the performance that Charlie Frye did last night, the local media would be falling all over itself anointing him as the team's savior. Unfortunately for Charlie, the party line on him is that he's yesterday's news..."

Maybe because the mistakes he made were rookie mistakes?Problem is, Charlie isn't a rookie and shouldn't be making those mistakes anymore.

[ZachTheZip]

A fair analysis of Frye's performance last night.My favorite part was when he stated that "... all I can say is that if it had been Brady Quinn who turned in the performance that Charlie Frye did last night, the local media would be falling all over itself anointing him as the team's savior. Unfortunately for Charlie, the party line on him is that he's yesterday's news..."

Maybe because the mistakes he made were rookie mistakes?Problem is, Charlie isn't a rookie and shouldn't be making those mistakes anymore.

True. Charlie shouldn't have run at the end of the half. The fumble/TD thing was as much Harrison's fault as it was Charlie's, but it shouldn't have happened. The running thing is just Charlie's nature; when he was at Akron, it was his job to score by any means necessary because much of the players surrounding him couldn't, and the same was true at Cleveland for a while. How many rushing TD's did Reuben Droughns have for the Browns? This Browns team has gotten better. The O-line has improved even with their injuries, and K2 and B. Edwards have matured a bit. Jamal Lewis seems like a better RB than Droughns. Frye isn't the only option out there on the field, but he has yet to realise it and makes mistakes trying to do too much. All that being said, he is clearly the best QB on the team at this time, and so should start. Will Quinn become better than him eventually? I have no idea, Quinn has only been in practice for less than a week. Frye is still the man, for now.

[sgm405]

A fair analysis of Frye's performance last night.My favorite part was when he stated that "... all I can say is that if it had been Brady Quinn who turned in the performance that Charlie Frye did last night, the local media would be falling all over itself anointing him as the team's savior. Unfortunately for Charlie, the party line on him is that he's yesterday's news..."

Maybe because the mistakes he made were rookie mistakes?Problem is, Charlie isn't a rookie and shouldn't be making those mistakes anymore.

True. Charlie shouldn't have run at the end of the half. The fumble/TD thing was as much Harrison's fault as it was Charlie's, but it shouldn't have happened. The running thing is just Charlie's nature; when he was at Akron, it was his job to score by any means necessary because much of the players surrounding him couldn't, and the same was true at Cleveland for a while. How many rushing TD's did Reuben Droughns have for the Browns? This Browns team has gotten better. The O-line has improved even with their injuries, and K2 and B. Edwards have matured a bit. Jamal Lewis seems like a better RB than Droughns. Frye isn't the only option out there on the field, but he has yet to realise it and makes mistakes trying to do too much. All that being said, he is clearly the best QB on the team at this time, and so should start. Will Quinn become better than him eventually? I have no idea, Quinn has only been in practice for less than a week. Frye is still the man, for now.

"Clearly the best quarterback on the team"...????You mean the guy who cost the Browns 10-14 points by himself on two bonehead plays? If Charlie Frye is "clearly the best" QB the Browns have, they're in a world of trouble this season.

[ZachTheZip]

"Clearly the best quarterback on the team"...????You mean the guy who cost the Browns 10-14 points by himself on two bonehead plays? If Charlie Frye is "clearly the best" QB the Browns have, they're in a world of trouble this season.

Yes. The best on the team. Tell me who did a better job in that game. Anderson, who only completed less than half his passes and didn't have a good drive until he played against the third stringers? Dorsey who only played against the backups and gave up a stupid safety? Quinn, who just chatted with players on the sideline and didn't bother to watch the game?Frye isn't a great QB, he's very average. The rest of them are worse. And don't give me any "But, but, but, Brady Quinn" stuff; starting him now would be the biggest mistake the Browns could make since giving up high first round draft pick to acquire him. He hasn't been through a week's worth of practices with the team, learning a new offense, and still getting to know the players on the team. He may be ready later, but certainly not during the pre-season or the first few regular season games. The reason the Browns are the way they are is because both the fans and the staff put all their hope on unproven quarterbacks who all too often turn out crappy regardless of their individual talent because the talent around them is never adressed. This past off-season, they actually focused on the biggest problems on the team which were the offensive line, the cornerbacks, and the offensive coordinator. Give it a few more pre-season games.