OSU's preview of Akron

[Dr Z]

I am looking forward to the columbus U game being over, so I can quit reading (on this board) how great every backup player is so superior to the Zips 1st team.

[Buckzip]

I am looking forward to the columbus U game being over, so I can quit reading on this board how great every backup player is so superior to the Zips 1st team.  

Sooooooo, we shouldn't be discussing football on this board? I didn't start this thread.I thought on the football board we were supposed to talk about our team and how we stack up against the competition. What would you rather talk about?I guess we could talk about our uniforms, or our cheerleaders. How about the band?Let's talk about the new stadium. No, there is already a thread on that. Many Akron fans are so used to not having anyone to talk football with that they don't know how to respond. Noone is talking smack. Noone is calling names or attacking. At least I am not. We are merely talking about future opponents. I don't think anyone is telling lies or mistruths on here. Guess what, on other teams boards, we also talk about teams and players that are better than those of our team. It is part of the fun of being a fan. If you disagree with what I am saying then call me out. We can discuss.debate it.You would be very surprised at how much I talk up Akron on the other boards.Unlike here, other boards don't look for reasons to trash Akron. Most are very impressed with the direction the program is headed and fear some competition in the years to come. They don't have to resort to name calling (ie Columbus State.)I am as excited as anyone wbout the direction this program is headed. However, we aren't there yet. My apologies for discussing future opponents on this board. I guess I won't do it again.I thought this was a football talk board.So, how hot are our cheerleaders looking this year???

[Zipsrifle]

I'm sorry BZ, I guess we don't know about football on this board. Akron fans only talk about simple things...like the band. If we knew how it worked, we wouldn't get so worked up when someone on the board makes blanket statements demeaning all of Akron's players. Please, show us the way, we are only Akron fans, we don't understand these complicated things. I'm glad that someone from OSU showed up to explain how things are done.

[Buckzip]

I'm sorry BZ, I guess we don't know about football on this board.  Akron fans only talk about simple things...like the band.  If we knew how it worked, we wouldn't get so worked up when someone on the board makes blanket statements demeaning all of Akron's players.  Please, show us the way, we are only Akron fans, we don't understand these complicated things.  I'm glad that someone from OSU showed up to explain how things are done.    

That's the response I expected. Insted of debating or proving me wrong you provide sarcasm. I guess no honesty is required. Just praise. I guess someone with a BS from UA and an MBA from OSU is "someone from OSU"Thank you, :wall:So I guess if you think Jessica Alba is hotter than Jessica Simpson, you are demeaning Jessica Simpson. I am done with this topic now, because "some", no I didn't say all, just don't want to be honest with yourselves.Maybe someone should report me for giving my opinions.

[Zipgrad01]

I am with you 100% Buckzip. What you and I wrote are reality. Do I like writing things like that about Akron's team? No. Is it a blanket statement and attack on Akron's players? Nope. But I am not going to sit here and talk about how our OL is going to blow holes in OSU's defense because we have a few decent running backs like others have suggested. Their D is going to be one of the top 2 or 3 in the country with amazing talent littered all over the field 2 and 3 deep at EVERY position. We need to realize that we are stepping up here and playing the big boys and not Eastern Michigan. I am sorry if I am not going to be one of those blind homer fans that writes "Akron is going to kick Columbus State's ass" just because I have a degree from UA. Now, if you want to "factually", not "blindly", prove to me that our arguments are wrong about how the 2 teams match up be my guest. I would love to read it. I just don't want to be "nor do other UA fans" want to be insulted because we write what in our eyes is an honest reply.

[g-mann17]

Do I think it will be easy for the Zips to beat the Buckeyes? No. Possible? Most definitely.Reason the Zips Will:The Buckeyes (who some will refer to in a disrespectful manner, I choose not, because you gain respect by giving respect) return 4 defensive starters. So First, the defense is raw, very raw. Yes there is Laurinatis (probably spelled that wrong) but as was seen in the Florida game he can't be the only person on defense doing something. Second, the offense will consist of Chris Wells, and some throw and hope from one of three possible QB's there is no guarantee that after the YSU game Boeckman will be starting. Third, Wells is not a better running back then Tony Hunt. The defense (which is mostly the same as last year) handled Tony Hunt for the most part. Wells also has a horrible case of fumble-itis. Face it it's true. That's why Maurice Wells is getting so many reps. Also OSU could not score at will last year, they relied on field position, and only conservatively beat teams that should have been blown out. Akron can play small ball. That is how a very speedy Florida beat OSU last year. Dink and Dunk, that fits into the skill set of the Zips offense right now. Mixed with a change up back field, it makes things harder to plan for. OSU also has to plan for a road trip to Washington, so may be looking past Akron.Reason the Zips Won't:We lost a lot of talent in our receiving core. We have yet to pick a starting quarterback, which means we have a lot of inexperience at a key position. One game is not usually enough time for an offensive line to gel. The defense while the teams strength has an unproven d-line. So there you go. I only went into more detail on why we will beat OSU because we already know everything that is going against us. My real prediction will come after the Army game. If we can't handle them, we definitely can't handle OSU.

[Zipgrad01]

My, my my. I feel bad about tearing this apart, but you obviously have no idea what is going on in Columbus. First, their defense returns more than 4 starters. I can think of Laurinitis, Gholston, Freeman, Jenkins, Russell, Washington, etc... off the top of my head. One starter last year (O'Neil) and another (Patterson) got bumped out by better players. As for their defense being raw, very raw. Were in the sam hell do you get that from? Their linebackers are loaded and VERY experienced into the 3rd depth and their DL and secondary has experience throughout. Were on earth are they raw? Almost every expert has their defense rated in the top 5 in the country because of the mix of returning stars plus the influx of talent that is probably upgraded from last years team.Second, If you think Chris Wells is no better than Tony Hunt you obviously haven't watched much of Chris Wells. Did he fumble during the 1st half of last season? Yes. However, he has solved that problem and he is going to be an absolute force. He will rush for over 1,500 yards this year.Third, you consider Boeckman a throw and hope quarterback? He is in his 5th year in the system and is a more accurate passer than Troy Smith. He also had a faster 40 time than Troy Smith. Boeckman will be a 2nd team all Big Ten QB this year.Fourth, were do you get your information about Maurice Wells getting more reps because of the staff being scared to play Chris Wells? That may be the funniest thing I have ever heard. Actually, Maurice Wells has fallen off the depth chart because guys like Brandon Saine (The fastest sprinter in Ohio high school history) has already passed him by. Mo Wells will be lucky to see the backfield. That is why they have moved him to a kickoff returner. He probably won't last long there either because he will soon be passed by either Ray Small or Brandon Saine.Fifth, OSU could not score at will last year? WHAT??? They averaged 36.33 points per game and only gave up 10.4!! In other words...they had over 30 up by the end of the 3rd quarter and the 2nd string was mopping up in the end. Sixth, Akron can beat OSU by dinking and dunking like Florida. First, Akron is not Florida so how can you say we can beat OSU by doing what Flroida did? Secondly, that game was a fluke. OSU was so under prepared for the game it was sickening. Seventh, Washington isn't that great. I doubt OSU is preparing for us as hard as Washington, but after getting their ass kicked by Florida they are going to be out for blood whenever they can this season. They won't overlook us.I could go on and on, but I really don't think I have to.

[g-mann17]

...I could go on and on, but I really don't think I have to.

I really wish you would so could continue to prove how much of a fanboy you are of OSU. I would think that would be everyone's biggest gripe about some of these responses on OSU. The "returns 4 starters" comes directly from the Big 10 preview. And this "they were starters but got bumped" just shows that they weren't good enough to play last year, which means they are weaker. Boeckman's 5th year? Then chances are he won't be the starter the entire season because you can't build for next year with a QB who will be around for 1 year.Yes Tony Hunt is a better running back then Chris Wells. Since Wells had Pittman in front of him you can't do a head to comparison of stats but... 1000 yards to seasons in a row, greater then a 5 yard per carry average. I like OSU I root for them almost every Saturday. Truthfully none of the fanboys realize how truly bad they are going to be this year. Tressel knew. That's why he made sure his non conference games would be YSU, Washington. The MAC schools were picked a long time ago so I can't give him credit for that. But Besides the MAC schools (of which he stands a good chance of losing one of those) there really aren't any sure wins this year. There is a good chance if things don't work out for them they will go 7-5 maybe even .500. The best they can hope for is 8-4. They will lose to Wisconsin, Michigan, Penn State, and Minnesota.

[Dr Z]

I really wish you would so could continue to prove how much of a fanboy you are of OSU.  I would think that would be everyone's biggest gripe about some of these responses on OSU.

..gmann from the outside...shot is up...swwwiiisshhhhhh !!!

[g-mann17]

Sixth, Akron can beat OSU by dinking and dunking like Florida. First, Akron is not Florida so how can you say we can beat OSU by doing what Flroida did? Secondly, that game was a fluke. OSU was so under prepared for the game it was sickening.

Never said Akron was as fast as Florida. Florida isn't even as fast as the OSU defense. But look what happened. OSU struggles against an offense that has multiple threats. And yes Akron has multiple threats. Now for the rest of your comment.LOL since when is 41-14 a fluke. 21-14 maybe, 17-14 definitely. 41-14 is a slaughter. I cried alligator tears into my pillow because of that loss. Never once did I think it was a fluke. Further proving your undieing fanboy devotion. Except you might not be a fan boy. You might be a front runner. Tell me what you think of OSU after Michigan wins the Big 10, Wisconsion gets the Rose Bowl and Penn State gets the Capital One Bowl. I will still love them, will you? Probably not.

[Zipgrad01]

g-mann...nice attempt to beat down someone with an alternate opinion. Am I an OSU fan boy? Sure. I love Ohio State. My cousin played 4 years for the Buckeyes and was a senior on the 1 loss 1997 Rose Bowl team. My other cousin (OSU guys brother) actually played for Akron from 1996-2000. I went to school at Akron from the beginning and graduated in 2001. I have been to the Shoe one time since it got redone in 2001. Want to guess what that game was? Yup, Akron. I did go to Austin to watch the Buckeyes last year, however. As for Akron, I have been to more games than I can count. I went to Annapolis and watched them at Navy, drove to Cincy, etc... So, don't you dare call me a front running OSU fan boy. The fact is you do not know the first thing about Ohio States team, me, or football for that matter. So it is worthless to argue with you because you provide nothing useful in your arguments except calling people fan boys because they don't agree with you. You could not pick apart one point I made in my arguments and you further make yourself look uninformed with your responses. So, I will once again pick you apart.Let me see.....go find me one other person that would take Tony Hunt over Chris Wells. Go find me ONE!! You want to compare stats...lets go. Hunt as a junior had 277 carries for 1386 yards, 5.0 per carry. A long run of 41 yards and 11 td's. Wells, AS A TRUE FRESHMAN had 104 carries for 576 yards, 5.5 yards per carry. A long run of 52 yards for a td against Michigan with 7 td's. Wells, has more power, is faster and has better vision. Hunt was a 3rd round rb and Chris Wells would have been a first rounder coming out of high school!!!! On talent alone and what Wells showed last year he is already a better back than Tony Hunt. Go search on the computer and find a bunch of people (not PSU fans) that would take Hunt over Wells.Well, your Big Ten preview magazine was wrong. As for guys getting bumped because they are weaker...what? Are you seriously going to use that as an argument? It is called talent. At places like OSU prime talent comes in every year. You aren't guaranteed a job because you started or played a lot the year before. When you are bringing in players like Eugene Clifford, Brandon Saine, etc.. people get bumped. It has nothing to do with them being weaker, it has to do with them being better, faster and stronger than the guys they are replacing. It is strength not weakness as you suggest.Once again, you prove that you know nothing. Boeckman is a 4th year junior, so he will be back next year as well. As for the future, it is the perfect situation. Ohio State leads for the #1 player in the country for 2007 in QB Terrelle Pryor from Jeanette (PA). Boeckman will be wrapping up his playing days when Pryor is finishing his redshirt year. Unlike Akron, OSU doesn't have to build for the future every year because guess what?...every year is the future. They always expect to be good enough to think this is their year to win it.Nobody knows how truly bad they are going to be next year except Tressel. That is why the OOC schedule is bad? Once AGAIN you show that you know nothing. OSU scheduled Washington in the 90's when guess what???? Washington was ranked #1 in the country. It isn't Ohio States fault they dropped off the face of the earth. The only reason Ohio State scheduled YSU was the 12 game schedule was added as a mandatory game. OSU couldn't get another opponent in part because the Big Ten does not have bye weeks so they can finish play the week before Thanksgiving. They added YSU out of necessity, not because Tressel knew they were going to be bad. If OSU is going to be so bad in the future would they have added upcoming home and homes starting next year with USC, Miami (fl), and Virginia Tech?As for their record.....WHAT? No way do they lose 4 games or go .500. No way do they lose to one of the MAC schools. No way do they lose to Minnesota!!! They will have a top 5 defense and their offense won't lose much from last year. I believe they lose 1 or 2 games this year, but 3 is an outside possibility. What are you basing their poor record on, you being an uninformed hater? From what you have written about the team you have gotten zero information right, so what makes you even remotely capable of predicting their record?Multiple threats? What defense doesn't struggle against teams with multiple threats. Thanks for that insight captain obvious. As for the fluke...yes. Florida did not blow out anyone last year. They struggled against Vandy and multiple other lowly teams. The only game they truly looked dominate was against OSU and they looked like they were all stoned before the game. So...when a team rolls everyone they play by 26 points and then gets smoked 52 days after the end of the season I will call that a fluke. I don't think it is a fluke that they lost because Florida was a good team, but no way was Florida that much better. Was Can't that much better than Akron last year? I think not.So, if you want to keep coming back I will keep knocking your comments out of the park. Anyone else want to be a blinded homer and call his incorrect and uninformative arguments a swish? Be my guest.

[g-mann17]

...Thanks for that insight captain obvious.

Wow, you are long winded in your attempts of saying the same thing over and over again. And you do get hostile. I made a logical argument and you have OSU playing for the National Championship. LOL, Let's see where to startWells is so good that the only Big 10 school that wasted any time on him was OSU. He was highly touted and pursued by a lot of schools because of the stats he puts up, but let's see he played 3 games in High School against tough defenses. I don't have access to the Garfield schedule from two years ago but I do know that both North and Ellet held Wells to 1 touchdown. Say what you will, but I have a better inside track on that information then you. So what I'm saying is, you rush for 1600 yards in high school and you play Kenmore, Central, a very week East and that makes you better then Tony Hunt. One person that is not a Penn State fan boy that would take Hunt over Wells? Tressel... Yes that's right your own coach. Lost out to Joe Pa for Hunt, here's another Bobby Bowden. But neither of those coaches know as much about raw fumbling, bumbling, stumbling talent as you do. I forgot. Boeckman might start one year, will never start two. I'm sorry I saw 5th year and assumeed he was a senior. I forgot how easily the Alumni Association of OSU can buy extra years for players. But again not bashing. As far as calling you a front running OSU fan boy.If it quacks like a duck, and doesn't listen to logical arguments and accept logical opinions, it's probably a front running OSU fan boy. You have yet to blast me, you have only angered yourself in an attempt to tell everyone how a Big 10 school is deeper then a MAC school. Who is the captain obvious. I must still be because I keep pointing out the obvious facts. OSU: down, raw, and vulnerable. OSU fanboy: repetetive, blinded, and naive

[Zipgrad01]

Wow...you just need to stop because you keep looking dumber and dumber and dumber. Once again all your info is WRONG. Chris Wells was the #1 or #2 player in the country depending on which service you looked at. He had offers from OSU, Michigan, USC, etc.. People stopped recruiting him because he committed to Ohio State so early. As for playing a weak high school schedule...I take it you didn't watch Wells play in the US Army All-American game where he was a man amongst boys? I mean, you know more than me about this stuff like you say, so did you watch that game? If not here is the write up...The 2006 U.S. Army All-American Bowl marked the long awaited showcase of the nation's elite college prospects. The 2006 class will join the distinguished ranks of U.S. Army All-American Alumni, which includes players like Adrian Peterson, Chris Leak, Reggie Bush, and Teddy Ginn, Jr. As the nation looked on in hopes of catching a glimpse of tomorrow's next great college star, the U.S. Army All-Americans took the field to tout their skills for all football fans to enjoy.This year the West found out, if you looked up physical in the dictionary you'd probably find Chris Wells in the definition. Despite not breaking off a long-yardage gain, the Akron, Ohio native methodically dismantled the West defense by consistently pounding out short-yardage gains on the highly-acclaimed West defensive line and punching in three touchdowns in a 27-16 win.The East wasted no time getting on the board as Wells stepped across the goal line at the 10:54 mark of the first quarter. The West immediately answered however on a 22-yard pass from Jevan Snead to Ken Beasley which sealed up the first half with a 7-7 tie.The second half however was a different story as Wells and the East started to solidify their dominance. Led behind the stout legs of Wells and a stingy defense, the East separated themselves from their West counterparts.For his efforts, Wells was named the Pete Dawkins Trophy winner as the U.S. Army All-American Bowl MVP for 2006. The future Buckeye ran for 67 yards on 13 carries while tallying his three scores. On the West side, the standout was local Texas star Snead of Stephenville who threw for a couple of scores.Also, for you having such inside knowledge, you should at least know how many yards Wells ran for in high school. Here are his high school stats...High School: 2006 Parade All-American and named the nation's top running back ... rushed for 2,134 yards and 27 touchdowns on 223 carries as a senior (9.6 avg.) ... rushed for 1,939 yards and scored 20 touchdowns as a junior ... was named the 2005 National Player of the Year and the No. 1 prospect in the nation by several publications ... scored three TDs on his way to being selected Most Valuable Player of the U.S. Army All-America Bowl, a game in which his East squad and coach Ted Ginn Sr. won 27-16.Also, Tressel would take Hunt over Wells. Really? Did Tressel tell you this personally? If that is the case, why did OSU not even offer Hunt a scholarship? Look it up on rivals, etc... Hunt was a 3 star running back from Alexandria, Virginia. He was ranked as the #48 running back his senior year with NO offer from OSU.As for Boeckman, I made a typo. He is a 4th year junior, not 5th year. I guess they didn't need the alumni association to buy another year like you suggested.You can call me a fan boy if you want, but unlike you I provide nothing but facts and I back them up. You however, provide nothing but hate and incorrect information. Then you have the nerve to tell me I am a fan boy and illogical. Why, because I support my arguments and back them up with facts? Just read back and look how silly I have made you look through all of your incorrect and ignorant rants of miss-information. By the way, I loved the duck analogy.OSU: Loaded, deep, talented and dangerousG-Mann: blinded, naive, unable to present any facts whatsoever and stubborn.Once again thanks for playing, but sooner or later you are going to get sick of looking silly in front of your peers. Who knows though, maybe many of them are as blinded as you are about the subject.By the way...Go Zips!!!

[Dr Z]

please take your Suckeye discussion here

[Zipgrad01]

Why take it there? I am an Akron grad. I just find it humorous that g-mann17 can't debate facts, yet you get upset and tell me to go to another board. I am an Akron season ticket holder and a UA graduate. Sorry if I don't say "Akron can play dink and dunk and beat USC". If you can't have a real debate about facts this board is worthless anyway. If you don't like my views toss me off. I honestly don't care if that is how you want to be.

[g-mann17]

...By the way...Go Zips!!!

This was never meant to be a Wells bashing. Or an OSU bashing. I'm just pointing out the facts. 100 carries 4 fumbles. That is a very, very bad ratio. Boeckman will be like Germaine, or Zwick a hold over until the future QB is ready. Or an injury as he is so prone to getting hurt.The truth is OSU is incredibly vulnerable you are just to jaded to see it. GO ZIPS! not "by the way", just plain GO ZIPS!Because to me they aren't an afterthought, to anything I say or to the Buckeyes.

[Zipgrad01]

Out of everything that has gone back and forth all you can say for your "facts" is 100 carries and 4 fumbles. lolNice. I think I made my points then. You biggest argument for an Akron victory is that Chris Wells fumbled 4 times on 100 carries as a true freshman. What does that have to do with this year? Tiki Barber used to fumble all the time and then fixed his ball carrying method. Is it not possible that Wells did the same?I am not trying to bash anyone. Another poster made a statement about OSU having more talent on their 2 deep than we have for starters and people started calling him "disloyal" and a "Buckeye lover." Why? What do you want people that are fans of both to say? Do you honestly want to hear...Well, I went to Akron, so Columbus State sucks. We will kick their butt this year. Really? Great. Support it with facts (real facts) and not biased homerism.You just constantly throw garbage out there and expect people to believe it. Many do because they are either uninformed or too lazy to check. You just did it again in this post. When has Boeckman been injury prone? He wasn't in high school and hasn't been in college. How can you compare him to Germaine or Zwick? Germaine, by the way led the Bucks to the #2 ranking in the country. Boeckman has played off and on the last few years and has always played well when he has been in the games. He has been stuck behind a Heisman trophy winning quarterback that went 25-3 as a starter. I hardly consider that a reason to call Boeckman a one and done player.OSU may be incredibly vulnerable in your eyes, but not in many other peoples. The people that think they are don't know the players stepping in to fill the voids. You know...like that defense that was suppose to be so awful for them last year because they replaced 9 starters. Remember that?Akron isn't an afterthought team to me either. I just root for both. There is nothing wrong with that. When you grow up being a Buckeye fan from birth, you don't just stop rooting for them because you went to school at Akron. I have family that has played for both and I love both of them. Who are you to tell me where my loyalties lie?

[Zipgrad01]

Unfreaking believable that this topic got moved. lolI guess if you don't get the results you want through debate and facts you silence the voice that makes your agenda look flawed. Must be a bunch of liberals on this moderators list because that is straight from their play book. If you can't beat them with facts, call them names, lie to your supporters and then try to have them silenced. Classy move right here.Oh well, why bother trying to debate in facts?

[zen]

can we go back to bashing Can't? There isn't as much crow involved in that

[Zip Watcher]

Unfreaking believable that this topic got moved. lol

The topic was moved because it doesn't relate to Zips football with 3 pages of debating some other team's offseason and RB stable.Feel free to continue your discussion here .. NO ONE is being silenced.

[g-mann17]

...When has Boeckman been injury prone? He wasn't in high school and hasn't been in college. How can you compare him to Germaine or Zwick? Germaine, by the way led the Bucks to the #2 ranking in the country.

This is the last thing that I am going to say. You questioned my fact checking ability? You questioned my knowledge of players?"As a senior in High School, Boeckman sprained his MCL, and missed much of the season. During the jersey scrimmage over the summer, Boeckman suffered from an undisclosed injury, and missed some practices. Boeckman also suffered from an injury trying to run with the ball late in the game against Cincinnati last season. Although none of those injuries are to be considered major, he does seem to be banged up quite a bit compared to Buckeye quarterbacks of the past. Troy Smith and Craig Krenzel took a ton of hits during their respective tenures as Buckeyes, and the only injuries to come from them were an injured thumb and an injury against Penn State in 2003 which escapes me at the moment (concussion perhaps?)."Little Fact on ToddYes I question your loyalty. Don't you think everyone on this site grew up a Home State Fan? I told you I root for them, but that doesn't mean they outweigh my Alma Mater. I'm sorry, they play anyone else I'm pulling for them. I'm also a realist and not a fan boy that thinks they are invincible. Haven't said that the Zips will "kill" or even beat them, just said why they have a chance. yet you have to get defensive. Yes the rest of everyone on here that had a problem with your post and Buckzip has a right. Because you both think OSU is unbeatable. Florida proved otherwise last year (it should have been a blow out, but it wasn't) No Akron isn't Florida, but this isn't last years OSU. They have 4 (in some counts 5) returning defensive starters. They have experience but they are raw, they aren't used to going every play. Same thing with your skill positions. So you tell me who has the issue? The realist (me)? or the Fanboy (you)?I'm done.

[Zipgrad01]

It has everything to do with Zips football. A few of us were talking about why we don't match up well and then the flame war ensued. We are called non-loyal fans because of our comments. Also, when one poster keeps saying Akron will win and his arguments are based on false information he is going to get called out and corrected by me. It isn't a 3 page debate about OSU's running backs or another teams off season. It is a debate on the difference in talent levels of the 2 teams and why it will be difficult for us to compete. It was also to correct how error filled some of the arguments were. I mean...did you see how many misinformations I had to correct? How is spouting bad and false info any good to this board in discussing our game with Ohio State? I am not going to sit here and say that we can beat them at any position because we can't. Name one position where we have more talent or are deeper? Enough said. I am done with this topic.

[Zipgrad01]

LOLI find it funny because if you go to Google type in Todd Boeckman + Injury nothing comes up. Yet, you find an article from an upcoming high school senior at Dublin as your proof that he is injury prone. That was the only article I could find about his constant injury bugs. I will just say this...he has never missed a game at OSU because of injury. Nice try though.Um...when did I say they were invincible? Once again you are twisting the truth. Actually, I said they may lose 2 to 3 games this year, but it would not surprise me in the least if they went undefeated. They have the "talent" to do it. Yes, even more talent than last year in a lot of areas, except receiver and qb. Does 2 to 3 losses equate to "invincible?" I guess they do in your eyes.I am not getting defensive about anything. I am just getting upset at the constant miss information you keep throwing out such as Wells stats from high school, stupid Tony Hunt comparisons saying Tressel wanted him over Wells, nobody recruited Wells except OSU, # of returning starters on D, team being raw, very raw, Boeckman being a one and done player, lucky to be 7-5 or maybe .500, Mo Wells taking reps because Tressel is scared to give Chris Wells the ball, they scheduled Washington and YSU because Tressel knew they were going to be bad, etc... NONE of that information is true and I provided the facts to prove you wrong. All you do is call me a fan boy because that is all you have to come back at me with.So, I have no issues because I am not a fan boy as you suggest. I am just someone that actually has facts and backs them up. You, however, are someone that spews rhetoric and calls people disloyal when you know nothing about me or Ohio State. So, Go Bucks and Go Zips. Or should that be Go Zips and Go Bucks? Oh, I don't care. I love them both.Have a great day!!!!

[RACER]

akron needs to worry about beating army.us fans can debate the osu game but we have not beat anyone yet.the last time army beat 20-0 so until we beat them i could care less about osu

[BirdZip]

Since this has reached 4 pages, I thought I'd recap the entire thread for everyone:Here's a link to OSU's preview of the game...a little playful banter...Hang on Sloopy...Zip this...your mother wears combat boots...I'm rubber and you're glue and whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you...meanie...doofus...(ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ)...I'm smarter than you...Are not...am too...are not...am too...(ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ)...What were we talking about again?...