The Elephant in the room...

[Zippysgotagun]

Does anyone else get the feeling that last night's game was bad news for Charlie? I know it was Quinn vs. Detroit's 3rd string, but he had Cleveland's 3rd string to work with. He looked calm and delivered a few throws as he got throttled. I just have a bad feeling...

[ZachTheZip]

If it was bad news for Charlie, it has to be even worse news for Anderson. He downright sucked. Charlie might not be the best, but Anderson is clearly worse. If Quinn really is as good as advertised (I'm not convinced yet; junk time TD's against the most inept defense I've ever seen does not make him a starter), then he should still sit untill the bye week. The Browns need to try actually sitting their new QB for a while until he learns more. What a novel idea.Pluto: Make Frye starter, let Quinn sit.

[Zipsrifle]

From Pluto's story, I'm voting for Quinn to start! Sounds like a trainwreck in Cleveland (why am I a Browns fan?? ). Since I am pulling for Charlie, let Quinn get the crap kicked out of him and the fans hate him. What a downer that article was....I'm already thinking about getting this season over with! Actually, I feel bad for all the QB's, sounds like just a bad situation.

[Zip_ME87]

Brady Quinn came into the game with a look of confidence and made good decisions in a 2-minute drill. I'm not convinced yet either (and I really like Charlie), but in my opinion, Brady earned the right to be put into the next pre-season game with the first team. Crennel has to give him a look.

[zip37]

Bad news for Charlie, and Browns fans that a ROOKIE can move the team, although the 3rd string defense might be taken into account, but I got a sinking feeling in my stomach when Quinn did better then C. But, maybe that sinking feeling was the thought of the overall team.With ball ammunition, lock and load, and, of course

[Kangaroo Craig]

I am a huge Browns fan. I have seen what happens when you throw a rookie into the NFL with little or no experience. Charlie looked very good in preseason in 2005. He also looked good that same year in limited action. Don't read too much into Brady's early success. Wait until he has played a few games and NFL defensive coordinators had had a chance to figure him out. That will be the real test. I think in time, Quinn will be a good pro. If they play him right away his confidence, and his body, will be destroyed just like Couch's was. I vote for playing Frye this year as long as he can remain healthy. If Frye gets hurt, go with Anderson or Ken Dorsey (Although I am not sure I want either of them - Maybe wait and see who is availble on the waiver wire). The Browns are going to be a run first team anyway. If the offensive line is as good as advertised, and Lewis is back to his old self, Frye will not need to throw the ball very much anyway. That would be an ideal scenario. It would also mean that they are winning.

[ZippyRulz]

as he got throttled.

Key words there. Will BQ have a bad feeling after 4 quarters times 8 games of getting throttled? I haven't seen the preseason games ... does the Browns OL look improved at least a little bit?

[zipsbandman]

BQ will eventually be the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns. Charlie Frye appears to be nothing more than a backup in this league. He makes mistake after mistake and it usually costs the team. I wish it were otherwise but as a Browns fan I want to see the guy that will help this team win and if Brady does it then so be it.

[zen]

I was at the bar, and not paying 100% attention to that game, but I found it amazing how WIDE OPEN the receivers were for quinny boy. Prevent defense made him look like a savior. This is exactly what the browns, the media, and the fans wanted. There's no stopping it now. The national media is on his band wagon as well.I believe Brady Quinn will come crashing to earth, but the writing is on the wall. Everyone want's Brady, and the media will be apologists for him when he has bad games. "Give him time. He's a rookie. He's bound to have bad games. Blah Blah Blah."Sorry, it's pretty much over for Frye no matter how he plays, unless Quinn gets injured. I predict Quinn will be starting by week5, possibly sooner.

[ZachTheZip]

I predict Quinn will be starting by week5, possibly sooner.

And I predict him to be on the injured list and out for the rest of the year by week 10, should he start. Tim Couch was a good QB surrounded be a horrible team. The Browns broke him physically and mentally. The same will be true of Quinn before the season's over.

[bobbyake]

Brady Quinn came into the game with a look of confidence and made good decisions in a 2-minute drill. I'm not convinced yet either (and I really like Charlie), but in my opinion, Brady earned the right to be put into the next pre-season game with the first team. Crennel has to give him a look.

Ken Dorsey deserves it more than Brady Quinn.

[skip-zip]

Here's my observations, as a Zips fan and a Browns fan.1) Quinn completed the majority of his passes to the uncovered running back, underneath the coverage, against a 3rd team defense, that was protecting a lead. Does anyone really believe that shows us anything? Many that have been at the Browns' practices have already stated that Quinn is having trouble with accuracy downfield. He's a rookie. We have NO CLUE right how good he will be a few years down the road. 2) Quinn's performance is not good news for Frye?? It was not good news for Frye the moment Quinn got DRAFTED!! If Quinn had sucked last night, fans would have been saying "well, Quinn just needs more reps". Charlie is in a no-win situation, no matter what he does, and what Quinn does. Too many fans are already convinced that the Browns' woes will be cured instantly when a new quarterback is inserted into the lineup. It's that simple.3) Related to point #2 - Browns' fans have a recent history of worshipping the backup quarterback, much to their demise. Kelly Holcomb got this treatment, and so did Derrick Anderson (in 06) and even Charlie himself (in 05). Until the Browns make serious changes team-wide, they'll continue to stink. Some people have them rated at the worst team in football. Brady Quinn can't block, and Brady Quinn can't tackle. I just don't understand what some people are thinking. 4) Frye has now completed 68% of his passes...in PRESEASON. Does anyone know what other quarterbacks are doing right now? Look, and you'll see. This is warm-up time for most QBs. And comparatively speaking, Charlie's already HOT. In fact, one of the Beacon writers yesterday commented about how he is receiving loads of e-mails asking why Charlie is not getting the credit for showing some pretty darn good accuracy this early in the preseason.5) Want to feel sorry for somebody?? Feel sorry for Ken Dorsey. He's performing well, in real-game situations (no garbage-time 4th quarter), yet has to hear BOOs from the fans as he walks out on the field. Once again, the same fans who have already decided (until the next QB is drafted) that Quinn is the all-encompassing solution to the woes of the Cleveland Browns. 6) Ok, lets put an end to the "Make Frye feel challenged by continuing to say that Anderson has a chance to start" experiment. With this new, complex offense, Frye needs to start getting ready for the start of the season. Stop continuing to put him in situations where he can do nothing but fail, and start giving him a chance.

[Sergeant Zip]

I have seen what happens when you throw a rookie into the NFL with little or no experience.

I remember watching a preseason Monday night game against Dallas on Aug. 9, 1999. It was the Hall of Fame Game at Fawcett. A player named Couch caused the future of the Browns sparkle with a TD pass to a receiver named Kevin Johnson. The score put the Browns up by a touchdown in the second quarter. Tim completed 11 of 17 passes for 137 yards and one touchdown and the Browns beat the Cowboys 20-17. After that game everyone screamed for Couch to start in the regular season. Years later Couch was claimed of the scrap heap by the Jacksonville Jaguars to be a third string quarterback. After a poor performance the team cut him. Now you know ther rest of the story...

[ZipGrad93]

Here's my observations, as a Zips fan and a Browns fan.1) Quinn completed the majority of his passes to the uncovered running back, underneath the coverage, against a 3rd team defense, that was protecting a lead. Does anyone really believe that shows us anything? Many that have been at the Browns' practices have already stated that Quinn is having trouble with accuracy downfield. He's a rookie. We have NO CLUE right how good he will be a few years down the road. 2) Quinn's performance is not good news for Frye?? It was not good news for Frye the moment Quinn got DRAFTED!! If Quinn had sucked last night, fans would have been saying "well, Quinn just needs more reps". Charlie is in a no-win situation, no matter what he does, and what Quinn does. Too many fans are already convinced that the Browns' woes will be cured instantly when a new quarterback is inserted into the lineup. It's that simple.3) Related to point #2 - Browns' fans have a recent history of worshipping the backup quarterback, much to their demise. Kelly Holcomb got this treatment, and so did Derrick Anderson (in 06) and even Charlie himself (in 05). Until the Browns make serious changes team-wide, they'll continue to stink. Some people have them rated at the worst team in football. Brady Quinn can't block, and Brady Quinn can't tackle. I just don't understand what some people are thinking. 4) Frye has now completed 68% of his passes...in PRESEASON. Does anyone know what other quarterbacks are doing right now? Look, and you'll see. This is warm-up time for most QBs. And comparatively speaking, Charlie's already HOT. In fact, one of the Beacon writers yesterday commented about how he is receiving loads of e-mails asking why Charlie is not getting the credit for showing some pretty darn good accuracy this early in the preseason.5) Want to feel sorry for somebody?? Feel sorry for Ken Dorsey. He's performing well, in real-game situations (no garbage-time 4th quarter), yet has to hear BOOs from the fans as he walks out on the field. Once again, the same fans who have already decided (until the next QB is drafted) that Quinn is the all-encompassing solution to the woes of the Cleveland Browns. 6) Ok, lets put an end to the "Make Frye feel challenged by continuing to say that Anderson has a chance to start" experiment. With this new, complex offense, Frye needs to start getting ready for the start of the season. Stop continuing to put him in situations where he can do nothing but fail, and start giving him a chance.

I think that's the best, most intelligent, and most accurate post I've read on the topic - anywhere!No doubt, Charlie is set up to fail for Golden Boy Quinn. Unless Quinn is exceptional, which I'm not sure he is, he's got a hard road in front of him. It will be another tough year for Browns fans...ZipGrad93

[Zipgrad01]

I second your comments skip-zip. Your points were very accurate and I agree with you completely. Unfortunately, I was sitting in Cleveland Browns stadium listening to the idiots yelling "Were going to the super bowl. Quinn is taking us to the super bowl!!" Sad thing is, they actually believe it. Frye has never been put in a situation to do anything BUT fail and that is just the way it is.