big preTENd exposed

[danalleman]

Couldn't have happened to a better team except maybe tOSU.

[Buckzip]

[74ZIP]

it seems odd to me that the people who complain about too much BIG TEN coverage in general and OSU coverage specifically by the local media are the 1st ones to respond when ol' mich goes down...the hard swallow and all that...i'm elated that the team from up north tanked...frankly THE most important game for me today is the one at 7PM at Cleveland stadium...how about the rest of you "ZIP FANS"...?

[danalleman]

it seems odd to me that the people who complain about too much BIG TEN coverage in general and OSU coverage specifically by the local media are the 1st ones to respond when ol' mich goes down...the hard swallow and all that...i'm elated that the team from up north tanked...frankly THE most important game for me today is the one at 7PM at Cleveland stadium...how about the rest of you "ZIP FANS"...?

Look...you and I know that college football is HEAVILY biased towards so-called "big conference" schools. The BCS is a joke (remember Boise State beating Oklahoma? Who doesn't?) The best part of what happend in Ann Arbor today is that it happend live on the "big preTENd network" in the Big House. Today's big preTENd schedule consisted of I-AA opponents. If big blue would have won today and won out the regular season you KNOW they would be top 1 or 2 and playing for a national championship. If the Zips played a I-AA, won, and won out their schedule, they would not sniff a BCS game. The Zips and the rest of the teams in the MAC that get no respect by the polls and the BCS should love to see what happened today. I have DirecTV with the Big Ten Network out here in Colorado, watched the whole game and had to listen to the understandably biased talking heads on the BTN make excuses for Michigan's poor play. They also did a run down of other games happening in the conference during halftime and mentioned that big preTENd schools don't like to travel to MAC schools when speaking of Purdue having to travel to Toledo. You remember how it felt when the Zips beat NC State...I was at that game...it was sweet, sweet silence after hearing the trash talk from the NC State fans. So dont' try to make excuses for the Big 10, today is the day it was exposed for what it is...a scam perpetuated by the BCS. I'll be watching Akron for sure on Fox Sports Rocky Mountain tonight, it just happened that the biggest upset in college football happened before the Zips took the field so I had to comment. Oh, and by the way, just got a call from Andy, he is on the Saints active roster. Another Zip representing in the NFL.

[Buckzip]

This is an Akron board. Why are we talking about other conferences?

[Zips fan]

Because sometimes it is fun to talk about other schools and conferences that compete with Akron and the MAC. Great to see Michigan go down, and I am looking forward to that team in Columbus going down to the Zips soon!

[Buckzip]

Because sometimes it is fun to talk about other schools and conferences that compete with Akron and the MAC. Great to see Michigan go down, and I am looking forward to that team in Columbus going down to the Zips soon!

Yeah, I get that. My point is that if I had brought up another team, a lot of people would be jumping on me about it.

[Captain Kangaroo]

This is an Akron board. Why are we talking about other conferences?

Just to appease you. We know you love it.

[Captain Kangaroo]

My point is that if I had brought up another team, a lot of people would be jumping on me about it.

In your "world" that's probably true. However, this is the discussion board of a mid-major school. When a 1-AA school or a MAC school beats a Big 10 school it hits home with us, and is worth of mention on this board. As a shill for OSU and the Big 10, you wouldn't understand. In fact it is very obvious you don't understand. Nice post, Dan!! And congrats to Andy!

[Zips Win!]

In your "world" that's probably true. However, this is the discussion board of a mid-major school. When a 1-AA school or a MAC school beats a Big 10 school it hits home with us, and is worth of mention on this board. As a shill for OSU and the Big 10, you wouldn't understand. In fact it is very obvious you don't understand. Nice post, Dan!! And congrats to Andy!

Agree.Dan-good luck. Congrats to Andy....BZ--GO AWAY..

[skip-zip]

This is very pertinent material.Any sign that the gap is closing between the bigger 1-A schools, and the smaller 1-A schools is good news if you are a Zips fan.Besides the Michigan upset, which might rank up there with the biggest of all time, Bowling Green beat Minnesota, and Can't beat Iowa State. As much as a hate to see two teams in our division play so well against competition from the so-called "bigger conferences", these kinds of wins will benefit all of us collectively, as a conference, down the road.

[ZachTheZip]

The MAC East went 5-2 while the MAC West went 0-6 this weekend. So much for that power discrepency favoring the West. We need more big upsets in the MAC. Akron has a good shot to win two more non-conference games. I would be happy with a split of UConn and Indiana.

[mrelegazna]

My point is that if I had brought up another team, a lot of people would be jumping on me about it.

In your "world" that's probably true. However, this is the discussion board of a mid-major school. When a 1-AA school or a MAC school beats a Big 10 school it hits home with us, and is worth of mention on this board. As a shill for OSU and the Big 10, you wouldn't understand. In fact it is very obvious you don't understand. Nice post, Dan!! And congrats to Andy!

This from a guy who called OSU "Total F-ing dirtbags" because they didn't call up Akron to give them more money when they scheduled Can't and YSU.Then, when that POV was demonstrated to be preposterous, you mysteriously had no more to say on the subject.That, and your "if Charlie Coles was really serious about Akron getting hosed, he would have his players wear black armbands!" comment show me that it's not just that you put Akron first (great), you expect the rest of the world to, too.I love upsets and I love the MAC. But until these upsets are as frequent as the losses and are the rule rather than the exception, of course the Big Ten will get the lion's share of coverage.You guys act like the BCS conferences and the Big Ten should run the table every year and if they lose three or four non-BCS games against 20 wins, they should be held in no higher regard than the non-BCS conferences. Hell, if I knew nothing of college football, the first post in this thread would convince me that the MAC is every bit as good, top to bottom, as the Big Ten. You guys are more biased and delusional then the guys you bash for being biased and delusional. Just like Boise State was, this will be the story of the year in the mainstream media. They love upsets and love a cinderella. You just got to earn it on the field. The reason the Big Ten gets the share of media they do is precisely because it doesn't happen very often. Stop playing the victim, and stop demanding the world on a silver platter. It's patently obvious the media is happy to fawn over giant-slayers. You just have to keep doing it to keep getting commensurate coverage. This is actually pretty reasonable.

[danalleman]

My point is that if I had brought up another team, a lot of people would be jumping on me about it.

In your "world" that's probably true. However, this is the discussion board of a mid-major school. When a 1-AA school or a MAC school beats a Big 10 school it hits home with us, and is worth of mention on this board. As a shill for OSU and the Big 10, you wouldn't understand. In fact it is very obvious you don't understand. Nice post, Dan!! And congrats to Andy!

This from a guy who called OSU "Total F-ing dirtbags" because they didn't call up Akron to give them more money when they scheduled Can't and YSU.Then, when that POV was demonstrated to be preposterous, you mysteriously had no more to say on the subject.That, and your "if Charlie Coles was really serious about Akron getting hosed, he would have his players wear black armbands!" comment show me that it's not just that you put Akron first (great), you expect the rest of the world to, too.I love upsets and I love the MAC. But until these upsets are as frequent as the losses and are the rule rather than the exception, of course the Big Ten will get the lion's share of coverage.You guys act like the BCS conferences and the Big Ten should run the table every year and if they lose three or four non-BCS games against 20 wins, they should be held in no higher regard than the non-BCS conferences. Hell, if I knew nothing of college football, the first post in this thread would convince me that the MAC is every bit as good, top to bottom, as the Big Ten. You guys are more biased and delusional then the guys you bash for being biased and delusional. Just like Boise State was, this will be the story of the year in the mainstream media. They love upsets and love a cinderella. You just got to earn it on the field. The reason the Big Ten gets the share of media they do is precisely because it doesn't happen very often. Stop playing the victim, and stop demanding the world on a silver platter. It's patently obvious the media is happy to fawn over giant-slayers. You just have to keep doing it to keep getting commensurate coverage. This is actually pretty reasonable.

You remember when Urban Meyer's Utah team whipped Pitt 35-7 in 2004 in the Fiesta Bowl to finish the season undefeated? Boise State beat Oklahoma in last year's Fiesta Bowl. Akron beat NC State last season. Stanford lost to I-AA UC Davis 20-17 in 2005. Can't beat Iowa State (Big XII) on Thursday, BG beat Minn (Big 10) today, Wyoming (Mountain West) beat Virginia (ACC) today 23-3, and to cap it off Appalachian State beat #5 Michigan today. It's time to change the system, because if Michigan wins out the Big 10, they'll still make a BCS bowl game guaranteed because that's what the cartel that is BCS has set up. ANY TIME A I-AA SCHOOL BEATS THE #5 TEAM IN THE NATION (ESPECIALLY IN THEIR HOUSE), that team should NEVER have the chance to play in a BCS bowl game...EVER! But you and I know that the scam will continue until the system is changed and each conference has a championship game where ACTUAL GAME PLAY MATTERS MORE THAN POLLS. The Big 11 keeps it at 11 teams for a reason, so they don't have to play a championship game, which could *gasp* cause the loser to play in a lower profile bowl (which is what happens in every other conference that has a championship game). It's time to settle it on the field, not by computer and "expert" polls. I-A independents need to be rid of as well, especially Notre Dame and their exclusive NBC tv contract. If you're Big East in BBall...you should be Big East in football too. Time to make things fair.

[danalleman]

My point is that if I had brought up another team, a lot of people would be jumping on me about it.

In your "world" that's probably true. However, this is the discussion board of a mid-major school. When a 1-AA school or a MAC school beats a Big 10 school it hits home with us, and is worth of mention on this board. As a shill for OSU and the Big 10, you wouldn't understand. In fact it is very obvious you don't understand. Nice post, Dan!! And congrats to Andy!

Thanks Cap.

[skip-zip]

danalleman...I'll take your thought process one step further. If Michigan, or any of the other top teams in the Big 11 were to have lost to a 1-AA team yesterday, they would not only make it to a BCS bowl if they win out, but would probably make it to the national championship game.Anyone should recognize that this just isn't right.

[bobbyake]

Bowling Green 32, Minnesota 31

[Buckzip]

If BG can beat Minnesota, we can beat Indiana. Adn if we are going where we all want to go, we have to beat Indiana and UCon.

[Captain Kangaroo]

This from a guy who called OSU "Total F-ing dirtbags" because they didn't call up Akron to give them more money when they scheduled Can't and YSU.Then, when that POV was demonstrated to be preposterous, you mysteriously had no more to say on the subject.That, and your "if Charlie Coles was really serious about Akron getting hosed, he would have his players wear black armbands!" comment show me that it's not just that you put Akron first (great), you expect the rest of the world to, too.

1.) I maintain my stance on the "Total F-ing Dirtbags" comment. 2.) Sometimes, when a few OSU fans want to type mile-long posts...it is just best to bow out. To say the POV was proven proposterous is right...in your "world." I felt there was nothing productive to be gained by extending that thread. I was right.3.) That's a good one!! Like any Akron fan, I want what's best for the MAC. The Zips got hosed by the NCAA in not receiving a post-season bid. It could have happend to any MAC team. That's why Miami should stick up for the MAC (not Akron). If the MAC, and other mid-majors don't raise a stink when the "Big Conference" schools step on them, things will never change. Sorry if that concept is tough for you to grasp. But when you're an OSU fan, I understand why you'd hope the MAC schools would just keep quiet and allow less-worthy BCS schools take bids from better mid-majors. You guys need the cash.

[mrelegazna]

This from a guy who called OSU "Total F-ing dirtbags" because they didn't call up Akron to give them more money when they scheduled Can't and YSU.Then, when that POV was demonstrated to be preposterous, you mysteriously had no more to say on the subject.That, and your "if Charlie Coles was really serious about Akron getting hosed, he would have his players wear black armbands!" comment show me that it's not just that you put Akron first (great), you expect the rest of the world to, too.

1.) I maintain my stance on the "Total F-ing Dirtbags" comment. 2.) Sometimes, when a few OSU fans want to type mile-long posts...it is just best to bow out. To say the POV was proven proposterous is right...in your "world." I felt there was nothing productive to be gained by extending that thread. I was right.

What a cop-out. It's not because you shrugged you shoulders and said, "Those guys will never learn," it's because we made reasonable points you had no reasonable rebuttal to. If I'm wrong, make them now. Mile-long posts? Yeah, you've never been known to write any of those. If you are determined to look at everything as a conspiracy against Akron and/or the MAC (and you've made it clear over the years that you are) sometimes reason is not going to be on your side. That's why you and your anti-OSU cohorts are reduced to just mindlessly insulting guys like BuckZip and myself, rather than making substantial counterpoints explaining why Ohio State is scum for not doing something unprecedented (giving the other team a raise just to to keep up with inflation ) and doing something I'm sure you would not support Akron doing if they were in the same situation.

[Zipgrad1990]

That's why you and your anti-OSU cohorts are reduced to just mindlessly insulting guys like BuckZip and myself, rather than making substantial counterpoints explaining why Ohio State is scum for not doing something unprecedented (giving the other team a raise just to to keep up with inflation ) and doing something I'm sure you would not support Akron doing if they were in the same situation.

I think those of us that are anti-OSU grow weary of the nothing but OSU coverage when it comes to college football in northern Ohio. It would make sense if this was Columbus, but its not. My mother lived in Cincinnati for 23 years and although they covered OSU it was not like they do here where they cover OSU more in the Leaky Urinal then they do UA. (Today's paper was a nice balance though.). The Cleveland TV stations always lead off with OSU coverage over the local teams. In Cincy it was always the local teams first.We also hate that the BCS schools have worked hard to make it an unbalanced playing field. The NCAA really needs a playoff for football, but that would dilute the money the BCS teams receive. It would also level the playing field somewhat, although it would take years to do so.Sure the MAC isn't up to the level of the Big Ten, why would it be? The athletic budget of every Big Ten team is probably greater then most of the teams in the MAC combined.I don't have a problem with someone being an OSU fan and a UA fan. I don't like it, but to each his own. I was a big OSU fan until I attended UA. Now I don't like pulling for OSU because when they win it means even less coverage for UA or any other college in Ohio. College basketball was great while OSU was down, you actually had more balanced coverage. That was also due to Ohio having several good college basketball teams. Its much harder to be successful in college football as it takes a lot more money to make a difference and many more good players to make a good team.That's why its extra sweet when the Big Ten or any other BCS conference gets upset by a non-BCS team.

[Buckzip]

That's why you and your anti-OSU cohorts are reduced to just mindlessly insulting guys like BuckZip and myself, rather than making substantial counterpoints explaining why Ohio State is scum for not doing something unprecedented (giving the other team a raise just to to keep up with inflation ) and doing something I'm sure you would not support Akron doing if they were in the same situation.

I think those of us that are anti-OSU grow weary of the nothing but OSU coverage when it comes to college football in northern Ohio. It would make sense if this was Columbus, but its not. My mother lived in Cincinnati for 23 years and although they covered OSU it was not like they do here where they cover OSU more in the Leaky Urinal then they do UA. (Today's paper was a nice balance though.). The Cleveland TV stations always lead off with OSU coverage over the local teams. In Cincy it was always the local teams first.We also hate that the BCS schools have worked hard to make it an unbalanced playing field. The NCAA really needs a playoff for football, but that would dilute the money the BCS teams receive. It would also level the playing field somewhat, although it would take years to do so.Sure the MAC isn't up to the level of the Big Ten, why would it be? The athletic budget of every Big Ten team is probably greater then most of the teams in the MAC combined.I don't have a problem with someone being an OSU fan and a UA fan. I don't like it, but to each his own. I was a big OSU fan until I attended UA. Now I don't like pulling for OSU because when they win it means even less coverage for UA or any other college in Ohio. College basketball was great while OSU was down, you actually had more balanced coverage. That was also due to Ohio having several good college basketball teams. Its much harder to be successful in college football as it takes a lot more money to make a difference and many more good players to make a good team.That's why its extra sweet when the Big Ten or any other BCS conference gets upset by a non-BCS team.

Very good post.

[Captain Kangaroo]

What a cop-out.    It's not because you shrugged you shoulders and said, "Those guys will never learn," it's because we made reasonable points you had no reasonable rebuttal to.   If I'm wrong, make them now.   Mile-long posts?  Yeah, you've never been known to write any of those.   If you are determined to look at everything as a conspiracy against Akron and/or the MAC (and you've made it clear over the years that you are) sometimes reason is not going to be on your side.  That's why you and your anti-OSU cohorts are reduced to just mindlessly insulting guys like BuckZip and myself, rather than making substantial counterpoints explaining why Ohio State is scum for not doing something unprecedented (giving the other team a raise just to to keep up with inflation ) and doing something I'm sure you would not support Akron doing if they were in the same situation.

You are a trip! How egotistical can one be to post pro-OSU crap on a Zips board and assume Zips fans "cop out" when they'd rather play some ball with their son, mow the lawn, enjoy a glass of wine with their wife on the patio...do whatever, rather than type at a keyboard about OSU for an hour or two? This will break your heart, but he's the sad, sad news for you -- debating OSU on the Akron Zips Fan Message board is REALLY REALLY boring to 99% of the people here. Despite your egotistical thoughts to the contrary, the Big 10 is a little bitch here. This is the Zips world! Call Kenny Roda, write the PD, write the Beacon, Bucknuts.com, call Mike Trivisonno...they'll all whoop it up with you OSU fans. Not here. Does a little "thumbs up" emoticon from BuckZip mean that much to you? It must. If so, you've come to the right place. But that's all the response you seem to generate here. It isn't just me that doesn't respond to the OSU drivel (hint hint).On ZIPSNation.org, there's no place for OSU. Never has been, never will be. The Zips fan comes first here. And second and third. And the egotistical OSU guys that can't comprehend that...the guy that thinks EVERYONE, EVERYWHERE cares about the buckeyes...well...type away boys!! The world revolves around you!! :lol:And why didn't you address MY response regarding Miami and the armbands? It couldn't be because you "copped out," now. Could it? :lol:Six minutes of my life wasted...but in an odd sort of way, this time it made me feel "whole?" Viva La Anti-OSU Cohorts!!!

[mrelegazna]

What a cop-out.    It's not because you shrugged you shoulders and said, "Those guys will never learn," it's because we made reasonable points you had no reasonable rebuttal to.   If I'm wrong, make them now.   Mile-long posts?  Yeah, you've never been known to write any of those.   If you are determined to look at everything as a conspiracy against Akron and/or the MAC (and you've made it clear over the years that you are) sometimes reason is not going to be on your side.  That's why you and your anti-OSU cohorts are reduced to just mindlessly insulting guys like BuckZip and myself, rather than making substantial counterpoints explaining why Ohio State is scum for not doing something unprecedented (giving the other team a raise just to to keep up with inflation ) and doing something I'm sure you would not support Akron doing if they were in the same situation.

You are a trip! How egotistical can one be to post pro-OSU crap on a Zips board and assume Zips fans "cop out" when they'd rather play some ball with their son, mow the lawn, enjoy a glass of wine with their wife on the patio...do whatever, rather than type at a keyboard about OSU for an hour or two? This will break your heart, but he's the sad, sad news for you -- debating OSU on the Akron Zips Fan Message board is REALLY REALLY boring to 99% of the people here. Despite your egotistical thoughts to the contrary, the Big 10 is a little bitch here. This is the Zips world! Call Kenny Roda, write the PD, write the Beacon, Bucknuts.com, call Mike Trivisonno...they'll all whoop it up with you OSU fans. Not here. Does a little "thumbs up" emoticon from BuckZip mean that much to you? It must. If so, you've come to the right place. But that's all the response you seem to generate here. It isn't just me that doesn't respond to the OSU drivel (hint hint).On ZIPSNation.org, there's no place for OSU. Never has been, never will be. The Zips fan comes first here. And second and third. And the egotistical OSU guys that can't comprehend that...the guy that thinks EVERYONE, EVERYWHERE cares about the buckeyes...well...type away boys!! The world revolves around you!! :lol:And why didn't you address MY response regarding Miami and the armbands? It couldn't be because you "copped out," now. Could it? :lol:Six minutes of my life wasted...but in an odd sort of way, this time it made me feel "whole?" Viva La Anti-OSU Cohorts!!!

I'm not asking anyone to discuss OSU. I don't think you mean we can't discuss OSU here, I think you mean we can't discuss OSU here unless its to rip them to shreds. I didn't start this thread, I didn't start the one calling OSU scum. None of the OSU threads I see are started by Buckeye fans, we're not trying to make this anything but an Akron board. They're started by guys like you. Re: Charlie Coles. It would have been a nice touch if his players wore black armbands or whatever for the Zips. But you went further and questioned his sincerity by NOT doing it. Here again, we see you criticizing people's or entity's character for not doing something unprecedentedly selfless that would benefit Akron.

[Captain Kangaroo]

Re: Charlie Coles.  It would have been a nice touch if his players wore black armbands  or whatever for the Zips.  But you went further and questioned his sincerity by NOT doing it.  Here again, we see you criticizing people's or entity's character for not doing something unprecedentedly selfless that would benefit Akron.

One thing I truly detest on this board is people who lie about something I said, or anyone else said, to prove a their own BS point.Here is my quote regarding armbands and Charlie Coles (from LAST MARCH, BTW):

What can we do about this? This season, probably nothing. If Charlie Coles was honest in his assessment that "It is a crime if Akron isn't in the NCAA's" then I want to see Miami players with a black armband during their game vs. Oregon. I want Coles to wear one too. Ditto the Toledo players and Stan Joplin. I don't want them to do this for Akron. I want them to do this for the MAC. It will happen to one of them one day if a big, big stink isn't raised. And Miami and Toledo are the only teams with a stage to do so.

I that isn't clear enough for you, and you take my armband suggestion as "unprecedentedly selfless that would benefit Akron" then you are one ignorant dude. Otherwise, you are a liar. It is one or the other.My original post is easily searched on this site. Since you are still obsessed with it 6 months after it was originally posted, you might want to check it out.As an OSU fan, you have no idea what is feels like when the NCAA screws you over. None whatsoever. The rules are all made to suit the BCS schools. Pain? Shock? Outrage? You didn't get to experience any of it. Lucky you.I will give you one opportunity to respond. Then I am locking the thread. If BuckZip wants to give you some cute smilie in support of his lying/ignorant Buckeye bud, I'll let that stand too. I think it is great that you guys stick together.