Frye cut????

[Dr Z]

Frye trade leads off the "Hot List" on ESPN News. "The Browns have traded starting quarterback Charlie Frye to the Seattle Seahawks in a very curious personnel move. Then again this is Cleveland we're talking about..."

I would hope they interview Charlie. I am very interested to hear his thoughts, or at least comments on the subject.Will he say that he is disappointed because he was always a Browns fan with that poster of Bernie on his wall or will he say he is excited going to a winning organization?

[Zipgrad1990]

I was inititially happy when the Browns drafted Frye and then after only one year I had wished they had never drafted him. CF really needed to learn under a veteran qb in a system with a decent offensive line, coach, and running game. Hopefully he hasn't been ruined by the Brown's and all that will help him develop in Seattle. I'm not sure he will ever be a starting NFL qb, but I think he can be a very good backup. Of course the jury is still out on CF, I'm looking forward to seeing how he is doing in couple of years.I've alway liked the Seattle football team and now I have a reason to pay even more attention to them.Good luck Charlie!

[RowdyZip]

Interesting thought...Seattle comes to Browns stadium on November 4th. That's 7 weeks from now...things would have to fall right, but dang that could make an interesting storyline.

[zen]

Interesting thought...Seattle comes to Browns stadium on November 4th. That's 7 weeks from now...things would have to fall right, but dang that could make an interesting storyline.

You're right, a lot would have to happen, but IF for some reason Frye was actually playing for the Seahawks that day, it would be the first time in my life I rooted against the browns.

[Dr Z]

CF really needed to learn under a veteran qb in a system with a decent offensive line, coach, and running game.  Hopefully he hasn't been ruined by the Brown's and all that will help him develop in Seattle.

Every rookie QB can't fall into the "right" situation. Charlie is a survivor and a quick learner (see senior season in college)Something tells me he will work day and night until he knows the offense (remember the cot in the coaches office story).He'll land on his feet.

[Johnny Utah]

Watched the Browns show on WKYC last night and Sam Rutigliano said that Charlie should be playing for a team that runs the west coast offense. A bit of foreshadowing?!

[skip-zip]

I think he will be fine also. Sure, he's gotten his butt kicked around for a couple of years, but he loves playing football, will not sulk, and as long as his body holds up, will FINALLY get his chance to learn and develop as a QB under a good system.To Any Remaining Browns Fans:Everyone was screaming "Charlie Frye...Charlie Frye" just two seasons ago, as we were watching Trent Dilfer struggle with the inept situation he was put into. And before that, we did the same thing to Jeff Garcia. And now, barely more than a year later, Browns fans are done with Frye, and want Brady Quinn. This leads me back to what I said on draft day....The Browns have MUCH BIGGER PROBLEMS than the QB position. And Sunday's game exposed them.....big time.

[Dr Z]

Anybody an insider that can cut & paste this story?Written by Jeremy Green, director of pro scouting for Scouts Inc., has been an NFL scout for more than 10 years

[RowdyZip]

Anybody an insider that can cut & paste this story?Written by Jeremy Green, director of pro scouting for Scouts Inc., has been an NFL scout for more than 10 years

"you have to ask how much of this is Frye's fault and how much can be attributed to the sad state of the Browns right now. I say it's more the latter. Frye had few weapons in Cleveland and played behind an offensive line that seemed to play poorly regardless of the money the Browns dumped into it. ""Frye should be glad he is gone because he should have a chance to become the quarterback everyone thought he was when he came out of Akron. He gets a fresh start in Seattle with a coach in Mike Holmgren who knows a little something about quarterback play. He gets to back up Matt Hasselbeck, who is one of the best in the NFL in terms of studying and knowing the game. Most importantly, he finally gets to once again become the student instead of the teacher, a role he had to fill on a Browns team littered with inexperience at quarterback. ""Frye never had a chance to succeed with the Browns. Their entire setup for young quarterbacks has "failure" written all over it, and if things do not change with the handling of Brady Quinn another disaster looms. The Browns have yet to go out and get a veteran QB who can teach their young passers how to play the game, and while there is talk of the team bringing back Ken Dorsey, who was a great college QB, I just don't see him bringing Quinn along as a starter."Some tasty tidbits...i wont copy paste the whole story. sorry!

[skip-zip]

I'll likely never be an NFL scout in my lifetime, but this just about sums up my thoughs exactly.

[Buckzip]

I am not a scout and really no nothing about how to judge how a system is for a QB.The biggest sign for me of what other teams think of CF is that the most the Browns could get for him was a 6th round pick. If other teams really though he had potential they would have offered a little higher pick than that.It seems that there wasn't too much of a bidding war for him.

[skip-zip]

Chuck Galeti on 19 Action News just brought up another point that I had not thought of yet....If Charlie is gone, then basically, all of the time the Browns spent with Frye running the offense in summer practices, training camp, all of the exhibition games, and the first quarter of Sunday's game, are all pretty much WASTED TIME.WOW...great point.

[PAZipsFan]

Good.  Go Seahawks.  The Browns obviously do not have their sh*t together considering Frye was the guy all through the preseason and he was the guy on Sunday morning.  Start Brady next week, let him get the piss kicked out of him, and then trade him next Tuesday.  I'm done.  F*ck the Browns!  Go Zips!

I couldn't say it any better. How the hell do you waste a whole training camp and preseason preparing a starting quarterback, only to pull the rug out from under him in the first game and send him packing two days later? What a waste of time and work! Maybe Quinn will get traded to Atlanta. The Browns can have Testaverde. I hate the Browns anyway. This way at least I don't have to feel guilty rooting for Charlie!

[skip-zip]

Well, here's an interesting scenario in the works.....Cincinnati had the 30th ranked defense in the NFL last year. Whoever gets the start at QB will likely have a much easier time of it this week.Which means, of course, that the remaining Browns fans will (at least for one week) be thinking, "See? We always knew the QB was the problem".

[74ZIP]

saw the 6 o'clock news...charley interview...anybody else detect a bit of a smile on charley's face knowing he is going to a winner?...seattle has holmgren who can coach QB's...they have experience on the offensive side of the ball...hell charley may pull a Kosar and end up in the Super Bowl with a better team...Savage,Crennel and rthe Browns are circling the DRAIN!

[ZipGrad93]

I am not a scout and really no nothing about how to judge how a system is for a QB.The biggest sign for me of what other teams think of CF is that the most the Browns could get for him was a 6th round pick. If other teams really though he had potential they would have offered a little higher pick than that.It seems that there wasn't too much of a bidding war for him.

I disagree.If teams didn't think highly of him, they could've just waited for the Browns to cut him, and then put in a FA offer for him. Most likely, that offer would've been at a significantly lower salary than Charlie's current contract. I'd say the fact that somebody traded for him is a pretty good sign that at least a few teams in the NFL liked Charlie a lot.ZipGrad93

[Buckzip]

I am not a  scout and really no nothing about how to judge how a system is for a QB.The biggest sign for me of what other teams think of CF is that the most the Browns could get for him was a 6th round pick. If other teams really though he had potential they would have offered a little higher pick than that.It seems that there wasn't too much of a bidding war for him.

I disagree.If teams didn't think highly of him, they could've just waited for the Browns to cut him, and then put in a FA offer for him. Most likely, that offer would've been at a significantly lower salary than Charlie's current contract. I'd say the fact that somebody traded for him is a pretty good sign that at least a few teams in the NFL liked Charlie a lot.ZipGrad93

I guess you can look at it that way. My point though is that noone was willing to give up higher than a 6th round pick. You know the Browns contacted every team and no team offered higher than a 6th.Once the Browns had that offer, I am sure they called back every team and said we have an offer for a 6th round pick. At that point, any other team could have beaten the offer by offering a 5th round choice. Noone did.They didn't just take the first offer and leave it at that. They searched around for the best offer. They got the best that they could get for him.

[RowdyZip]

bottom line: Charlie was set up to fail with this ridiculous organization. It sucks, for sure. And i've been a browns fan my entire life. This team is destined for mediocrity and misery for a long time...Charlie, you're lucky to get out. We all wish you nothing but the best. I'm looking into my #5 SEA jersey right now.

[skip-zip]

ZipGrad93 is correct. In order to get Frye, Seattle had to give up a 6th round pick, AND pay him his already-existing salary of $1 million per year.If there was not strong interest in him, Seattle could have easily waited for the Browns to cut him (knowing that Dorsey had already returned to Cleveland), and could have possibly signed him for much less than his current salary, AND would not have had to give up a draft pick. There obviously was competition, or Seattle could have gotten Frye for far less.

[Buckzip]

I think you are missing my point. I never said that Frye was garbage and nobody wanted him.What I am saying is that the best the Browns could get was a 6th round pick. He was a 3rd round pick when drafted.If teams thought he was going to be a good NFL QB, someone would have offered more than a 6th round pick. A 6th round pick is a "Hope" pick. I remember an NFL GM saying that a few years ago. With the 6th and 7Th round picks you draft someone you hope can help your teamObviously someone will want him. He will probably stick around in the NFL as a backup QB. However, if anyone thought he was a potential starter they would have offered more than a 6th round pick and gotten him instead of Seattle.Of course they could have gotten him as a FA and paid him less. However, they wanted to be sure that they had first dibs. They obviously want him. But noone else wanted him enough to offer more.

[skip-zip]

Buckzip...nothing personal, but I think you aren't understanding this.By trading for Frye, Seattle is obligated to pay him his current salary, WHICH IS THE SALARY HE NEGOTIATED AS AN EARLY 3RD ROUND DRAFT PICK. Would they have agreed to pick up the salary of someone making 3rd round draft pick money if they thought he wasn't that good? Of course not. That would be stupid.

[coachk]

Best of luck Charlie in Seattle!

[Dr Z]

Well, here's an interesting scenario in the works.....Cincinnati had the 30th ranked defense in the NFL last year. Whoever gets the start at QB will likely have a much easier time of it this week.Which means, of course, that the remaining Browns fans will (at least for one week) be thinking, "See? We always knew the QB was the problem".

Skip, did you watch the Monday night game? Cincy D was getting some good pressure on McNair.

[johnnyzip84]

This is the caption for one of ESPN's writers covering the story on their web site.

Green: Seahawks' Gain Charlie Frye's failure in Cleveland had more to do with the Browns, than with the quarterback's talent and Frye will be better off in Seattle, Jeremy Green writes. Blog 

[Z-P]

Here's my take from Shanghai...........Superman's schtick was the scramble. He reads broken plays better than preset calls or LOS reads. In this system he never really had the chance to show this ability. When he did early in his tenure, he had some success.Any scrambling QB needs a blocking back who has been around him long enough to know where his tendencies are going to take him when he's on the run. The last blocking back he had on his hip for more than a season was you know who, and he did one hell of a job for 3 years. The most he saw our of an RB in Browns stadium was about 6 weeks.I think a comment recently made by the guy you cats all hate on...............LO.....is basically correct.............he's worked under new and fresh OC's for at least the past 4 campaigns...............how'd you like to have a new boss every Christmas?I'm not saying he's a big time trigger..........in fact, I'm not really convinced he's an NFL starter (I hate agreeing with that ahole GP :-) )..............but the poor kid has not really been in a good situation downtown.Ask Doc what I said when he was drafted.................I frikin hate to be right when it involves a young man I respect.Good luck C...............and pick up the number 5 again please.nm............