@John Ward I'm with you, and by the way, one of those 1-11 seasons the Zips had "back-to-back" was under TB, but hey, I'm sure the excuse will be "but he inherited a terrible team!". Like Arth didn't? And then 4 losing seasons, a 500 season, and an overall record of 35-52, and hey! 23-33 in the MAC...you were being kind calling TB "mediocre". But we've got that glory year where we won the MAC East (not the MAC overall), and a Big 10 win....that's what makes the "outsiders" think is terrific? Keep your sound posts coming...