ZippyDoo

Playing around on Google today... 1,043,716 high school students play 11 player tackle football in the United States.... Division 1: 3.4 % (Roughly 1 in 30 high school players make it to a D1 program) Division 2: 1.9 % ( Roughly 1 in 53 high school players) Division 3: 2.5 % (Roughly 1 in 40 high school players This seems crazy to see that it is "easier" to make it to a D1 program than a D2 program but this is explained by by the fact that there are more D1 schools in FBS and FCS than there are in D2 programs and the D1 programs carry larger rosters. But Blue and Gold is pretty much dead on with the percentage of 7.3 to 8.1 % of high school players going on to play at any NCAA level. Because I was bored and don't know anything about this Hoban School that the great one was referring to, I googled how many football players in the last five years have gone on to play football at any collegiate level. Here is the break down D1 17 (FBS) 3 (FCS) D2 4 D3 and NAIA 2 Google says that the rosters for Hoban during that time period range anywhere from 75 to 100 players per year if you are curious.

I do have to say though, there are a lot of "personal" attacks on individuals on here and people take offense to it, rightfully so, but there are a lot of personal attacks on the players as well. I am sure I am going to get hammered and that's ok cause I fall into that old man category and I have been called many things, but not all of these players are "idiots" or here because they had no where else to go or are losers or anything like that. They simply made a decision that they thought was best for them and their families. Several of them did have many other offers and still chose Akron. We may never know why. MAYBE it was so they could stay close to home so they could be close to their mother who was extremely ill and not in good health and they still wanted to pursue their dream? Maybe it was because they were sold that fantasy by a car salesman of a coach that promised them the opportunity to come in a compete for playing time and possibly a starting position? Maybe it was for the opportunity to show that they COULD compete at a D1 level for the chance to move up to a bigger program? Maybe it was all of the above?? There are players on this team that were SOLD an opportunity to come here and show the world what they can do, and have never gotten the chance for one reason or another and they are seniors and this is the way their college careers are going to end. It's messed up, but I guess they are learning a harsh lesson. In my opinion it is very wrong and they were done dirty and they will have no recourse. But they came here believing in a dream that they were SOLD.... Certainly there are those that are of very poor character and should not be playing football at any college anywhere in the country but every program has that. There are players that are going to walk away after this season and never play football again that is life. But I can assure you Akron is not a program that players came to simply to get rich, everyone on this site knows that. If a player came to Akron to try and show the world what they can do and they get the opportunity to go somewhere else and get paid then more power to them. Every program in the country has players doing that. Every single college team has players entering the portal not just Akron. That is the type of program that was built at Akron long before any of these players got here. I know the coaches even sell Akron to the players as a stepping stone when they are recruiting them so you cannot fault the players for coming here with the intention of playing to get out. There is a HUGE disconnect between the coaching staff and the players. I have no clue how to answer the undisciplined penalties and play, but when it is the same players over and over and over again the obvious answer is to make a change. Even if it is for one game, the coach can sit a player. Sometimes a player just has an off day. What was happening against Kent was abysmal on many levels but a lot of it has been happening all year. When a coach is putting the same players out over and over and over again, game after game and that player is making the same mistakes and the same penalties, that is the coaches fault and it goes beyond being undisciplined. If you aren't going to punish your child for stealing the cookies out of the cookie jar, they are not going to stop stealing the cookies... it's simple. I guess I'm just venting because I have gotten to know several of these players personally and I know that certainly when they are referred to as idiots it isn't meant as though the whole team is, but I just wanted to remind you that these are young men 18-25 still trying to find their way who trusted Moorehead and the coaches, some of the coaches that have left are the ones that sold these dreams. Those coaches that sold the dreams left for greener pastures for themselves, but the players they recruited were stuck... Most of the time we only see the product on the field but they are for the most part very good young men that people don't get to know. For example, at least five or six have gotten Baptized since May. That may not be a big deal to a lot of people but to me it is. It does show character. I know that a LARGE group of them have bible study every Friday even at away games. To me that shows character and who they are. I know the ones who care are still putting in the long hours for their grades, still putting in the long hours on the practice field and in the facilities, and come game day they are trying their best to win. None of the players want to lose... I know that I have bitched a lot about the program and A LOT about the coaching staff this year and that I have no right to ever tell anyone on here what to say or how to feel. I just wanted to say my peace about how there are some really good men on this team and there are some very talented athletes on this team that can play at other Division 1 schools but they chose Akron for a variety of reasons. We will see come portal time if any of the athletes are talented enough to play at other schools. Please don't me too mean to me....

LOL.... That was quite entertaining... I usually don't come on this thread but glad I checked it out this morning.... Kreed you still with us? That fool didn't find you did he?

the only woman i heard at kent was the old woman screaming start the buses bitches after the unexpected fake punt. other than we were mixed in with kent fans and had no issues. it wasn't a bad experience and the rivalries are fun especially when they are competitive. unfortunately Akron is on the wrong side now and in football can't talk crap anymore til they win

i didn't really have any complaints at kent. i had never been there before so i didn't know what to expect. i tailgated with friends and family before and went in about 20 minutes before kickoff. i had GA seating and thought it would be easy to find seats so i wasn't worried. Walked in and found out visiting side was all student section and right where i was around the 50 was reserved. the GA seating in the middle was already full so like an idiot i chose to go go to the empty GA seating opposite of the scoreboard thinking i would be able to see the scoreboard and would be fine. the actual replays when they should was very small for me being old. i wish i would have chose the other end but you live and learn. i have been to every game. i do like the home field the best i wish there were more fans obviously and we have talked about that. wake forest was BANGIN !!! sat by the scoreboard and it was loud as hell but the energy and excitement was incredible it would be amazing to see that here but i probably won't. minnesota was my first Big 10 school other penn state and it was comparable to that but it was still fun with no complaints. personally wake forest was my favorite.

i didn't know that was the case @kreed. then it really looks bad on the former AD for signing this contract then and great for moorehead cause he has Akron by the balls. But i'm telling you, if moorehead comes back next year the program is finished. i honestly don't see how it recovers from a 1-11 season the pee poor coaching and the non stop bitching and whining about everything from the NIL and the transfer portal to the lack of ice in the ice machines. just his bitching and moaning is an embarrassment to the university and he takes shots every time he is in front of a microphone. saturday is a perfect example. his decisions and horrible coaching cost the game yet he would rather cry about the transfer portal. he can't come back next year. there won't be any coming back for this program if he is back.

out of curiosity i googled what Akron would owe Moorehead if they fired him today. This was the response (i know it's not always accurate.). If the University of Akron were to fire head coach Joe Moorhead without cause today, they would owe him a buyout of $650,000. My ONLY counter to keeping him around for the last four games is 1-11 with him and then going into next year sends a horrible to current players and any potential players. at least if they replace the staff and bring in new coaches then they are at least trying and they at least care

the fact that moorehead still has an office today shows me that Goodrich is not serious about the football program. As smart as he is, he would find a way to make it work. If THE ONLY solution is to go through this embarrassment for another year because you can't figure out how to get out of a contract with one year and four games left then you either don't care about the football program or you don't deserve to be the athletic director. there colleges firing their coaches all over that care about their teams and they are trying to make their programs right. If you are telling me that IF this team goes 1-11 which i am betting they do at this point because moorehead is intentionally trying to lose, that they will bring him back just because they can't buy him out, then akron doesn't deserve a football program. Blow it all up and sink all your money in the other sports

to me the questions about dropping to FCS and his goes way above my head would be 1.) would Akron get the talent necessary to compete at the level once the players know they are at an FCS level school or would Akron still not be able to compete in offering what other FCS schools offer? 2.) would competing/winning at the FCS level maybe even playing for whatever type championships that were available be enough to bring in a crowd that would support the team to generate money? I don't have the ability to sit and try to figure out the cost pros and cons to going FCS and whether or not the program would come out ahead by dropping down in the long run. If the product on the field is still going to suck and no one is going to come support them anyways what would the savings be? If the product is good enough to compete and win and people are going to start coming out and watching competitive games then maybe it is worth it. I wouldn't be surprised if there are FCS teams right now that could out coach this staff. I'm sure the talent level of the Zips team is competitive enough to carry them past most, but the way this staff is they may just try and lose a few more games on purpose and not give the players a chance.

GP1, I don't disagree with you necessarily. You do have some valid arguements and I am mostly saying the same thing. Without a good product it doesn't matter what day of the week you are playing on. If this team was even 6-2 or 5-3 you may still pull a decent crowd if they were still competing for the MAC or they could at least hype the "bowl contention" angle. For me the problem is this coaching staff can't compete with anyone. The players can, the coaches can't. I know the players call the play and it's up to the players to make the plays, so I know some of blame goes on them. But the amount of fault to fall on Moorehead has been talked about at nauseum on here. He has to go sooner rather than later. The stadium is beautiful. It is a shame, almost criminal in my opinion that the product on the field does not match the stadium and the drawing power just isn't there. Goodrich was a genius for the offensive coordinator for opening day, homecoming day was a nice size crowd and beautiful record but there the product just is what is they are probably going to end the year 1-11. Joe is going to end the same way he came in.

I agree with exit on that one. I try to support the PLAYERS as much as possible, but have zero faith in the coaching staff. Ohio is coming in here undefeated in the MAC and Western follows up with one loss still playing to go to the championship. I hardly believe they are going to overlook the Zips and I certainly don't think for a second that they will be outcoached by Akron staff at this point. And by the end of the season for that home finale, Buffalo may have a whole lot to play for. They are currently tied for second with MIAMI and Central as their only true tests left. There might be more visiting fans at the last three games than home team fans... I wonder if any fans will break out the brown paper bags a la the New Orleans Saints if any of you or old enough to remember...

I would be willing to bet with the exception of the EMU game, the way the games have been handled this season most fans attending in person or even watching on tv at this point are either family, close friends of a player or cheerleader or band member, or the most die hard of fans like Marty. Now that we are in to the Tuesday night games with nothing to play for it would be really hard to come up with any gimmicks powerful enough to draw interest to get people into the stadium unless it falls into the above categories. There may be some that want to be there in person to see what new methods Moorehead can come up with to try and force Goodrich to fire him but at this point I don't think those people are even willing to come out. If it hasn't happened by now it isn't going to. I can't believe he still has an office today...... Seriously, we are not tied with Sac State in the standings at 1-7... with our only win against RMU. I can't remember who posted it earlier, but we are probably lucky we caught them early in the season because Moorehead probably would have tried to give that game away also.

i will tell you what i think increase attendance since you brought it up... A good product. I could care less about anything else, if the product is worth seeing and is something the community and fans can get behind they will. Simple as that. If the product isn't any good you can put it on whatever day you want and have whatever gimmicks you want the people aren't going to come.

i hate to sound like i'm giving up on the players because i'm not.! i've given up on the coaches. Never in a million years would i have predicted this team to be 1-11 before the season started but honestly don't think these coaches are capable of winning another game this season. Why would i think anything will change and even if it is close in the first half they will be out coached in the second half. Every team that we have played and is going to play have now seen the same thing done every week.. rinse spit repeat if any player can jump ship come portal time I hope they do if this staff is still here... if joe moe wants to use it as an excuse then really give him an excuse. shame on the program if they can't find away out of this mess