Jake

As always...with the dishonest accusations. I am the last person to call UA a lost cause. You are such the reactionary aren't you? I heard your fireworks. They were great. Can't say much for the rest of the parochial entertainment. How many did you draw... what a woppin 200 - 600 students out of almost 30,000? Nice try but no cigar. UA is not a lost cause. That has been my point all along. It just needs some students who are willing to program with a more inclusive attitude. For cyrying out loud UA is 140 years old. What are you dinasours waiting for? Evolution is suppose to move forward not backward. Nice try Jake..how about THOUSANDS of students, the place was packed all day. Like usual you were wrong. UofA did a great job with Spring Fest so why don't you start giving credit where credit is due? btw, I'm sure you thought that MVP presentation at the JAR today was "so high school" as well. I see how you defend your dishonesty with even more dishonesty. Nothing in your post is even close to the truth...as usual. It's unfortunate that you accuse the MVP at the JAR as being "high school" but then again, your obnoxious pessimism is no surprise.

Well maybe it's because your name implies that you hate Can't State, which is the exact opposite of how Jake feels about Can't State. Oooh, you're deep and complex or at least you like thinking that you are. BTW, hate is right next to admiration and says more about the person who is doing the hating than about the object of that hate. Your's and Can't Sucks' need to hate another university in order to prop up one that you claim to support is about neither. It is about your lack of integrity and self-loathing. The two of you need to take a pill...or perhaps lots and lots of them perhaps along with all that liquor you ingest so frequently. The silence it would cause is so welcoming.

Your knack for going over the top with your reactionary and defensive posture is what's ridiculous and funny. No one on this forum is more confrontational and at the same time as stupid as you. You are indeed the quintessential dumb ass my friend. How do you get through every day without having to be treated for all the nose bleeds caused by your pathologocal histrionics?

And your pretending that your retorts arn't filled with insults are even more priceless. Thank you as well, ass hole! If my pointing out your every back and forth waivering, and every response you ignored as insults, you have very very thin skin. I'd call you a sore loser but that might completely ruin your psyche... Or if I compared you to the nerd on the playground who answers everything you say with "I know you are but what am I?" Same elementary mentality. You might even resort to FOUR letter words. Then we'd ALL be impressed!!!! Being called "ass hole" by you is a compliment. God, you are indeed the poster child for projection, dishonest debate and exageration. What you call waivering is in reality adult assessment of both universities' strengths and weakneses. You are the most unreasonable "all or nothing" oppostional, personality disordered person I've encountered in a long time. I can almost feel sorry for you. I have a feeling that you drink alot!

And your pretending that your retorts arn't filled with insults are even more priceless. Thank you as well, ass hole!

An excellent answer. What's more, all of these fine university presidents are doing a better job in their respective office than is mr. obama. The return on investment at UA makes Dr. Proenza a bargain and we are grateful. And, there is a way to be defensive and a way not to be defensive. Dr. Proenza knows how to be defensive in an assertive, professional and effective way. Sometimes being defensive is an appropriate and honest way to respond to someone who is being offensive and Tom Meyer is a sleazy offensive parasite. That is what I like about Louis Proenza...he is honest and straight forward. I will grieve when it comes time for him to leave our University of Akron. Being President of a major business or university and being President of the United States are not the same thing. The word, "President" has two very different meanings when comparing the positions. And, it is a typically dishonest tactic of a sleazy reporter to pretend the words mean the same thing. It is a typical demagoguery smoke and mirrors act in order to sway the gullible, which unfortunately there are many in NE Ohio. Oh, by the way, that other university I could not remember begins with a K. It's not that important anyway. That president wasn't "available" to explain his country club membership, $50,000 per year stipend for his mortgage, plus additional financial perks for upkeep and utilities on his palatial estate.

and I'd say "troll" is the best description for you. Is that all you've got? I'd say look in a mirror when you say troll. And let's stop pretending that name calling is beneath you and the other babies on this site. Get some balls, ladies.

Do you drop acid often? I can't believe how you've twisted the truth in your post. "Bow down and ask forgiveness of the bronze squirrel"? You are kidding right? And the way you go on about the polsky building, you'd think it was Stan Hewit. No one denies the buidling's history. It's just an obsolete department store and not the Vatican. You are what most people describe as an extremest of the worst kind. You have no dimmer switch. Everything is wonderful or awful. There is no middle grown for you. Can't is Hell and Akron is Heaven. Yes, I'd say juvenile is the best description for you. If I offer constructive criticism, I'm ripping something apart to you. If I deny saying what you said I sad, you claim that I said I never said anything about Akron. No, I did not say I didn't say anything about Akron. I said that I did not say what you said I said about Akron. YOu keep digging that intellectually dishonest hole of yours deeper and deeper.

Thanks for that honest observation. That your support for UA is honest and not blind makes you a better UA fan than all the sincophants on this site. The one reason why UA has grown in such a positive direction is because it has the will and the capacity to see ite deficits and make changes in order to correct them. Growth first comes from and honest assessment of our weaknesses and not from slamming our rival with groundless, ignorant, dishonest and uninformed accusations. I believe, UA can and will add much more green space and may one day rival k.s.u.'s campus. But right now, there is no real comparison.

I have a couple dozen friends who ride the Roo Express every day. Some of them live in Quaker Square, some in Buchtel Place, and some in Gallucci Hall. There is no easy way to get from Quaker to anywhere else, especially with the Mill Street bridge out, and no one wants to walk in the areas around Gallucci or Buchtel Place when they get out of their evening classes. I've also known people to take it down to Canal Park for the Aeros games and from some of the farther out parking lots, especially when there's a foot of snow on the ground. I'm not sure you can call it a "marketing ploy" if tons of students use it every day... http://www.uakron.edu/aux/parking/shuttle-routes.php Just because students use it (and not tons of students) doesn't mean it is not a marketing ploy. I don't care who uses it or how many use it, it is not a necessary service when one considers the dinky size of the UA campus. Again, it's really no big deal to me. UA is entitled to its marketing strategies. I'm just not going to go along with the position that UA has such a booming metropolis of a campus that it needs its own bus service. It is just not true. Like usual, your arguments make no sense. No, as usual, your one dimensional, "we vs. they" childish thinking prevents you from understanding simple mature discussion.

"I was a grad student there and most of the buildings are not butted up against main roads." That five lane state highway is just a mirage... "Engaging in silly accusations about the K.E.N.T. campus makes Akron people and UA look small and petty." Never mind the fact you just spent all day doing just that. "and the same goes for the stupid looking Polsky Building." You do realize the Polsky Building is local landmark, and serves a much different purpose than the main campus does. "So, stop showing your blatant ignorance of how the competitive process works." Oh I completely understand how the competitive process works. I do want Akron's campus to improve and become the best in the state, best in the world. But I don't want it to be like Can't. If I liked Can't's atmosphere, I would have gone to Can't. You're comparing apples to oranges, trying to make an inner city campus look like a cow-town college. We need to look at Cleveland State, Youngstown State, Toledo, Ohio State, Pittsburgh. That's our comparison, other urban campuses. Not Can't. You need to get past the fact that Akron students had a choice between the two, and chose Akron. Can't students had a choice and chose Can't. Not everybody thinks like you, or acts like you (thank God). Not everybody shares your vision of what a college campus should be like. If we dislike the rural setting, actually a small town setting if you wanted to be accurate, as much as you seem to loath the urban setting, well that's just our opinion. And all the insults and chest thumping in the world isn't going to change that. +1000000000000000000000000000000000 Couldn't have said it better. Actually wouldn't have because i dont usually take the time to respond in depth to Can't trolls on this site. Thanks though for doing the dirty work Spin. See that's your problem. You don't listen to people. Instead, you put words in their mouths and exagerate if not lie. I never said that UA shoud look like Can't. I said that Can't has a beautiful campus. They can mutually exist and look great without being the same even in your all or nothing juvenile world. And I did not spend "all day" doing anything on this site. And where did I say i loath an urban setting? You are quite the kook who likes to make up your own opposition and then argue with your own words. The fact that the Polsky Buidling is a nice piece of architecture does not make it a land mark and even if it is, it can remain one w/o UA owning it. I think you really are one intellectually dishonest person who can't argue himself out of a wet paper bag. God, I do hope that you are not a graduate of UA or even attend there. You would be quite an embarassment if you are. And that 5 lane state highway is not up against the majority of Can't buildings and you know it. Perhaps you believe all the building at UA are butted up against Exchange too. Saying so would be just as moronic. And my saying that Can't 's campus has an advantage over Akron is not the same as assuming everyone wants to go there over Akron, Again, you love to argue dishonestly. The Roo express is a marketing ploy and it is working. That students are using it makes it a successful marketing ploy, but it still is a marketing ploy. UA is still a dinky campus but it is growing and I hope it continues to grow. And as far as urban campuses go, I happen to believe it is one of the best looking in the nation and possible the world.

I think that's a horrible mistake. Early college is...eh... Let's just say that it's aggravating when you have to weave your way through swarms of screaming high school kids in the student union. They need to get that stuff OFF campus. Once, I heard a UA student say, "Do you guys even go here?" and some high school student screams back, "Its Akron, you dont have to go here to be here!" That's early college in a nut shell. Early college is one of Proenza's key initiatives. Additionally if they are all housed in Central, then they aren't exactly "all over campus." Does your major require you to "stay in your building" and not travel to other parts of the campus? There is nothing magical about the Central Hower location that would prohibit students housed in it from traveling all over campus. Do you currently see East High students restricted to the Central Hower Building?

No problem. Ahh, okay. That makes sense. So then my next question is, what happens when the East High students go back to their renovated school? Who gets the old Hower? The Hower site is a swing school for APD. All the high schools that are to be renovated will occupy Hower until the renovations are done. Once East leaves, another high school will take its place.

I saw the channel 3 news story on the pay level of presidents at OSU, UT, UC, UA and one other. I thought the interviewer was a bit of a cheap sensationalist asking why university presidents got paid more than then the president of the United States. Presidents Proenza and Gee handled themselves admirably and made no apologies. The interviewer was particularly obnoxious with Dr. Proenza but Dr. Proenza put him in his place in a most professional way. There are far more CEOs who get paid much much more than Obama and Doc Proenza asked the interviewer to find out what they would say. When the interviewer turned around and asked Proenza, "and they would say what?" Proenza came back with, "I asked you the question, you have a good day my friend." You go Doc!

Yup. And another common complaint is UA's crappy marketing. I've found that most of the t-shirts UA has given away/sold this year are actually really cool. The Whiteout T-shirts were awesome. I also liked the 'beat Can't state' shirts they gave out at the wagon wheel game. And this new shirt for SpringFest is a little girly but it's still a cool shirt. Check it out: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Universi...id=389969200809 I never said UA is a commuter school. And, hey Jethro, marketing entails much more than passing out T shirts to your own people on your own campus. Might want to take a quick tour of the college of business administration. They might be able to give you a better idea of what marketing really is.

As always...with the dishonest accusations. I am the last person to call UA a lost cause. You are such the reactionary aren't you? I heard your fireworks. They were great. Can't say much for the rest of the parochial entertainment. How many did you draw... what a woppin 200 - 600 students out of almost 30,000? Nice try but no cigar. UA is not a lost cause. That has been my point all along. It just needs some students who are willing to program with a more inclusive attitude. For cyrying out loud UA is 140 years old. What are you dinasours waiting for? Evolution is suppose to move forward not backward. BTW, the event was not planned by RHPB. It was planned by the Zip Programming Network. RHPB played a marginal role. And in any case, your student organizations are not real student organizations but shills for the administration.

Check your memory bank. This "price is right thing" is something I wouldn't give the time of day to. And there is an ocean of space between "the price is right akron style" and drinking beer. I think you are redefining things a bit. Drinking beer is fine on a college campus. The thing is, you don't need a program board to do it. Try reaching a middle ground between something as corny as the Price is right and something as common place as drinking beer. While beer drinking isn't corny, it is certainly common place and is only considered an "event" on college campuses with little to nothing to do. And why wait 10 years to put on events that you can program today, if not last year. You have the facilities, use them for crying out loud. Conceptually, Springfest is great. Now all you need to do is make it great in practice. You have a brand new 30,000 plus seat stadium and a 3,000 seat performing arts hall. Why not add a couple of big time events using these two campus sub-venues to what you already have going for you in Sprinfest 2011? This is not a "can't do" situation. So far it's a "WON'T DO". And when I say use the stadium, I mean put something in there that is worthy of a 40 thousand seat facility and not some stupid "battle of the bands" from the bars or your stupid rock the roo shit. Work with a promoter and book major national attractions that will fill the place. Don't do the ususal crap of putting in a group that is dwarfed by the stadium. You can do it all you have to do is want to. Oh, and I see where the dept of communication is taking over your stinky student newspaper. That should tell you something right there. You guys are a mess.

Grow up and quit using the plural "we". You only speak for yourself. Saying I have pride in the Can't State campus because I recognize its qualities and refuse to lie like the little brat you are is like saying that coach Dambrot has pride in the opposing teams because he recognizes their strengths on the court as a means to build a better Zips basketball team. So, stop showing your blatant ignorance of how the competitive process works. You are wasting our time on this forum. As far as this forum goes, I am by far the most knowledgeable of the UA campus. You are obviously ignorant of that as well. And, I am sure I am wasting your time with anything that represents the truth and intelligence. You've made it clear that you're not interested in either.

I have a couple dozen friends who ride the Roo Express every day. Some of them live in Quaker Square, some in Buchtel Place, and some in Gallucci Hall. There is no easy way to get from Quaker to anywhere else, especially with the Mill Street bridge out, and no one wants to walk in the areas around Gallucci or Buchtel Place when they get out of their evening classes. I've also known people to take it down to Canal Park for the Aeros games and from some of the farther out parking lots, especially when there's a foot of snow on the ground. I'm not sure you can call it a "marketing ploy" if tons of students use it every day... http://www.uakron.edu/aux/parking/shuttle-routes.php Just because students use it (and not tons of students) doesn't mean it is not a marketing ploy. I don't care who uses it or how many use it, it is not a necessary service when one considers the dinky size of the UA campus. Again, it's really no big deal to me. UA is entitled to its marketing strategies. I'm just not going to go along with the position that UA has such a booming metropolis of a campus that it needs its own bus service. It is just not true.

Yes, you are right and to think some on this site want UA to look like CSU by vomiting the campus all through the downtown area with busy streets running through everything. Oh, that's right, if we build overpasses between buildings to compensate for the downtown streets, that will make everything look like a real campus...bridges, overpasses and a downtown arena...yes sir that will make UA the hot campus to want to be on.

This thread makes UA look more like Hilltop High than it ever did. Thanks for denigrating our alma mater with childish lunacy. The author probably works for another embarassment for The University of Akron...The Buchtelite. The Daily Can't Stater reads like college students run it. The Buchtelite reads like a product of retarded kindergateners. Hey Zippers, in order for you to clean the poop out of your pants, you have to first admit that it is there in the first place.

Why do you have such a big boner for Can't? You do realize that the campus is dreary and poorly designed right? It's a lot like what Akron's campus used to be before the renovations of the last decade or so. Also, you're whole "the roo express is a marketing ploy" is asinine as i know many people that ride it almost every day from their off campus housing (including myself). With all of these claims it makes me wonder if you have actually been to Akron's campus in the past few years or if you are just some Can't Stater pretending to be an Akron fan. Why do you have such a huge leak in your brain? Are you delusional and paranoid or are you just an immature, antagonistic troll? Some of your conclusions make you one creepy scank. The only people who ride the Roo Express are lazy fat asses. "You do realize that the campus is dreary and poorly designed right? It's a lot like what Akron's campus used to be before the renovations of the last decade or so." This statement either shows you for the nutball that you are or exposes you as a lying troll. Of all the absurd statements that are totally on the opposite side of reality, this one takes the cake. As I said, come back to this site when you've earned the right to be taken seriously. Your statments lead me to believe that you are an escapee from a local mental institution who hasn't graduated from high school let alone attend any college. What a frigging BAFOON! BTW, the correct grammar is, "including me" not "including myself". Also, the claim that buildings butt right up against main roads is to describe The University of Akron and not K.E.N.T. State. Let's list those buildings on the UA campus that butt up against main roads. They are: The College of Business Administration, C.Blake McDowell Hall (Law School), E.J. Thomas Hall, Guzetta Hall, Quaker Square, The Polsky Building, Simmons Hall, The Polymer Science Academic Center, the new Polymer Engineering Research Center currently being constructed, The Honors Complex, The College of Arts and Sciences, Hower House, The Center for Counseling (which by the way, a few on here desperately need to visit), The Exchange Street Dorms, Galluci Hall, The Town Houses, InfoCision Stadium, The new multi-plex student apartments being built next to the stadium, The Ocasek Natatorium, The Firestone Conservatory, The Lincoln Street Building, Shrank Hall, West Hall, The Chemistry Building along with its adjacent parking lot and Buckingham Hall. UA needs to spread itself out and get the overwhelming majority of its buildings away from main roads in Akron. Right now most of its building are crammed into a very tiny area of land. Even the administrators state that they are landlocked. UA has come a long way but in no way does the campus come even close to measuring up to more authentic looking campuses in the state. To say so is not having a hard on for other campuses. It's just stating facts, ladies!

There is no way one can legitimately claim that the UA campus requires them to walk a long way from a parking facility to the center of campus. UA is not that big of a campus when you compare it to others like K.E.N.T. While UA has a nice campus, it is still a dinky little campus. The Roo Express is hardly necessary and only exists as a marketing ploy and spin. I like what UA has done to its campus and have nothing against the marketing strategy of the Roo Express. However, UA has a very far way to go if it wants to measure up to anything close to the K.E.N.T. campus. I was a grad student there and most of the buildings are not butted up against main roads. On the contrary, most of the buildings are surrounded by acres of grass and trees. It is a classic rural and beautiful campus. And, if UA wants to compete with it and supass it, more power to UA. But in order for that to happen UA must assess its opposition with honesty and objectivity if it wants to emerge victorious. There is nothing to be gained by disingenuous, jealous, childish and dishonest appraisals of our rival's campus. If you don't understand this philosophy, I suggest you talk to Caleb Porter or Keith Dambrot. The best way to beat your opponent is to be honest about your opponent's qualities and then you become closer to overcoming and supassing those qualities. Engaging in silly accusations about the K.E.N.T. campus makes Akron people and UA look small and petty. I hope that one day the UA campus will excell beyond the K.E.N.T campus and other major campuses in the US, but right now, we need to be honest about our need for greater campus evolution. It slays me when I hear how people on this site want the UA campus to look great yet don't realize they are shooting themselves and the university in the foot by advocating for an off-campus downtown arena. Such a plan would spell out doom for any possibility of a truer looking campus for The University of Akron...and the same goes for the stupid looking Polsky Building. You can't have a truer looking campus and compete with K.S.U.'s campus while advocating for a Cleveland State look at the same time. In no way does a downtown, off- campus arena lend itself to a self-contained looking campus.

g-mann17, Judging by your last post, I'd say that your hostility toward K.E.N.T. is just the tip of the ice burg. Your posts expose your MO of being hostile toward anyone who disagrees with you. Your loaded language coupled withy your preconceived negative notions tend to give you away. Also, the site which you provided is only a cursory diagram at best of the K.S.U. campus. It is not an aerial photo or even a drawing of the actual campus. Your dishonesty continues to shine bright. Recognizing positive aspects in one's opponent is not envy; it's mature and open minded. That you have to distort that reality by calling it envy shows your penchant for invective and dishonesty. And may I suggest the next time you want to accuse someone of not giving another point of view a chance, take yourself over to a mirror and gaze into it. Projecting your faults onto another is an ugly way to live out your life. It really is. That I was lead to believe/suspect the possibility that you were never on K.E.N.T.'s campus is not about my making an assumption or ignorance. It is rather an illustration of how outrageous and ignorant your claims about K.E.N.T.'s campus truly are. As opposed to your distortion of the truth, here is what I actually posted: "Your statements are off the wall, over the top and lead me to believe that you have never set eyes or feet on Can't State's campus... or you've turned a rivalry into an object of hate and that emotion has contaminated your ability to be objective in your observations." And to further correct your dishonst depiction of my response, I never said K.E.N.T. wasn't a swamp. I said, "it can hardly be compared to a swamp" (more of your dishonesty). And again, I will say K.E.N.T. State cannot be compared to a swamp. It is not a swamp. That it was built on one, is irrelevant. A large portion of The University of Akron was built on a cemetery. I guess according to your mentality, that makes UA a cemetery with no life to it. And, you are right about one thing; it is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. Now, if you can only get beyond lip sinking this quote and stop being a Jonny-one-note, perhaps people will start taking you seriously. You seem proud of your gloat claiming to be on every major campus in the state. I can tell; it shows. I imagine your goal is to one day have others be impressed with that claim as much as you are...that is if you can first get them to believe that you actually were, judging from all the other untrue claims you've made in this thread.

To be honest, I don't know. I'm not a knowledgeable person when it comes to construction deadlines and architectural realities. My sources seem to think so. I have to admit, I did more listening than questioning when I was told this. If you recall though, many people couldn't believe that InfoCision would be completed in time when they viewed the stadium's construction progress in the Spring of 2009. Certainly, the soccer stadium will be on a much smaller scale than our football stadium. Let's cross our fingers. My attitude is UA will do what it needs to do.