Jrship35

WOW ................ how freakin sad !!! http://www.cleveland.com/sports/college/index.ssf/2012/02/football_could_not_save_chris.html

+1 Hear Yee .... Hear Yee

Thanks Dave

So I fully understand the finances of a greyshirt ................. the student athlete has to foot the bill for the first semester correct ?

If that is the case (and it may be) ...... that is certainly valid. Just looking at the 2014 roster, not sure I see a scholarship deficiency But I am probably wrong as usual ....................... Just ask my Wife !!!

Understood Captain ........... How many are we in the hole ?

Please clarify how they are still messed up ? ......................... Only thing messing up recruiting IMO (not scholarships) is not winning. That will hopefully change this season as it SHOULD have last year

The last point is the one not to miss: "As we all know these are kids ranging from 17-21 years old so anything can and usually does happen during their career so there is no clear cut formula to accurately predict or really rank these classes" .

wow ...... sad story there

I stand corrected on the mis-spelling ................... My bad thanks for pointing out

DAMN ................ I cannot wait for Spring ball I hope Kincaid also pushes Chapman and the other guys. He seems to have the tools..................

Yep ........... That's the reason !!! QB is going to be a non issue this season !!!

May be an academic issue ? ,............... Kid is under the radar, can't find much news at all

I need to tailgate with Keener !!!!!! Lol

Man I gotta try to lay out my point A. Horrible program, no winning tradition. From what I hear from, a absolutely terrible environment B. Truly only two (third this year) recruiting classes (I don't think you can count 2012 to be fair) ...... In fact, I would argue that being hired in December of 2011, that Bowden worked with what he inherited ( I really think that's fair) ...... So really 2012 was a year to get the entire staff together (including recruiting, video, and guys/gals to do the behind the scenes stuff (it is critical), Had to turn over the Medical, training, strength and conditioning group .......... That is STILL being solidified. Takes time folks .............. Record 1-11 C. 2013, the offense was coming together, but the defense needed repairs, which I believe was achieved .... Need for JC guys, tranfers to stop the bleeding on defense along with a heavier recruiting class on defense. I think we can mostly agree that although we need to continue to improve and fill holes on defense, that we have made improvements .......... Record 5-7 (Could/should have been 6-6?) D. 2014 (THE STEP BACK) .. Defense was in good shape (no real depth at DL hurt late in games ... ONE COULD ARGUE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE PLAYED FRESHMEN HERE .... If there were any). Offense on the downfall . We were in the mix until the blow up of the last half of the season), Everyone knows the story ............... Record 5-7. BIG HURT ON RECRUITING !!!! No doubt So, Last year withstanding, We can agree that there was progress, maybe not immediate or even substantial, but progress if you consider at all, the logic of truly what it takes to restaff a D1 Football program (top to bottom) and when Bowden was hired. Again let me address Keener (and all passionate Zips fans)...... You are starving for a winning program, I hear you and totally understand your frustration from last year. I can understand the frustration when you look at the recruiting concerns and no impact from recruiting. I have faith in Coach Bowden (and I didn't drink any kool aid) .... The guy gave me past players names for to call and ask what he was like to play for (maybe that was a set up, but they all loved playing for the guy). My sons high school Coach (who was a GA under Bowden at Auburn) said he was a class guy and that my son would be making a mistake not to play for him..... So I'm giving him a pass BUT completely understand that your patience is much less than mine ............. I know I may have a bit of a slant toward the program that is paying for my sons education, but I'm a straight up guy and tell you that I will be pretty critical if there are not marked differences this season. ..... Especially when Coach Bowden sits in my living room and makes statements. I'm with you guys .......

Agreed ....... Love the passion and Keener I'm a fan brother

Obviously ALOT of work to do ...... I would throw out (and I have no validation), however, don't mistake that we have absolutely little to no relationship with the Ohio and western PA high school coaches as of yet (that I know of). I believe Coach Boykin is a Youngstown guy and I think Coach Gilldersleeve is from Mt Union, that's about it for Northern guys ..... That relationship is HUGE and needs to be grown (as Bowden has alluded to ) very quickly ......... Again, winning helps that I know that when Coaches Bowden and Stroud walked into my sons high school, they immediately knew his high school coach as he worked as a GA under Bowden and for Stroud at Auburn ........... Point is that until UA establishes a relationship, it is difficult to sell. If a young recruit and his family gets a thumbs up from his high school coach, it is pretty much a wrap...... Not sure if the other coaching staffs in the MAC have this relationship but I'm sure that is a liability for us right now Just sayin

++++1 Relax fella ...... LOL Like the passion ...... whens that tailgate ?

And again I ask ....... What selling points does Bowden and staff have to recruit with against the other MAC schools ? ....... Great facilities, good education, winning tradition ( oops, cross that off for now) The part of building something special at UA is a nice talking point ..... I seriously have no clue why Can't state, western Michigan or any other MAC school recruits better than UA ........... But I honestly don't think it's a Bowden thing ........ Maybe it's facilities, maybe it's tradition, probably a lot has to do with relationships with the local programs I'm really not sure ...... Maybe they spent more time on transfers ......... Don't know Maybe I should have voted for "wait and see" but I took a leap of faith !!!! Lol

So when exactly did Bowden hire on and is the 2012 signing class truly his ? He was hired December 22 ......... Can we agree to give him a pass on 2012 ? Or did he really recruit them all ? Guys I'm just playing around here although it is great discussion ...... I appreciate all the passion and certainly can understand the frustration BUT I AINT NO KOOL AID DRINKER. LOL

Lol. Kook aid drinkers

Doesn't tell me that at all ....... Tells me that the season was going along as planned and it was a better long term decision to red shirt the freshmen to better develop them. Then when the season totally went to hell with three games left ..... There was no way any of those Freshmen was going to make an impact

But answer the question ....... At what point of the season would you have wasted the red shirt and had the freshmen play ?

Thank you Lord for logic !!! Thank You

FIRE BOWDEN !!!!!! HE SUX !!! Lol