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The only thing more stupid than the ideas of this man is the abj printing his ideas. Jim "The Victim" Dennison stories have long ago run their course. Dennison was a D2 coach with D2 ideas. Not the guy to take the program forward. I'm not sure what the abj is thinking when they print this sstupidity. Mayme Mr. Thomas can help us out.

Actually, the money grubbers are the university presidents, athletic directors and coaches. The ncaa doesn't represent the athlete-students. If they did, they would actually treat them better and include them in their money grubbing. The ncaa represents the institutions. The presidents say college athletics is important to the overall life of a student even though most would gladly give up good educational programs for a good football team any day. The ADs use college athletics to convince the presidents they need more stadiums to become a world class institution and the presidents fall for it every time. For a bunch of people with PhD's, they sure are stupid. The ADs use these construction programs to pad their resumes in order to move on to another school and make more money. The coaches go right along with it because participation in a "building process" is easier than putting together a "winning process". The athlete-students do all of the real work. Actually, I think a good topic would be: "Who Is More Sleazy, University Presidents, Athletic Directors or Coaches?" All three are pretty bad and I would have a hard time picking which is worse because they are so intertwined at this point. I lean towards ADs but could be swayed with a good argument.

Darn right it is a joke. It misses on many levels. Where it hits is helping victims, but they are going about it the wrong way. If this effort is to reform psu in some way, why doesn't psu have to fund something on campus that would help further the understanding of what a victim goes through and methods of treating the damage? Isn't that what a university is supposed to do...further knowledge and science? Look towards the future? Forced funding for something for five years tells me after five years, the funding will discontinue...not exactly forward looking by the ncaa. Shouldn't they also use money to fund the criminology of this problem? Questions such as..., How do we better help law enforcement understand signs of abuse and act in a more efficient manner?....should be asked and researched. These are just a couple of ways of turning a negative into a positive. Everything the ncaa did was to damage psu. Nothing good will come out of it.

I'd argue he is both a survivor and a winner as well. I would probably use wins to explain why he is a winner. I would look at who he has designed the program to win against a lot, (and who he hasn't beaten) to complete the survivor part.

#1...He could play in better facilities and has seen better facilities. What we have is nice, but not as nice was what most BCS schools have. #2...Most kids who would transfer to a MAC school would probably start in the Big Ten in front of tens of thousands of people. #3...He could have a building process at PSU as well. #4...Toledo has better tradition. The Bowden name is important to us (unless TB never wins more than five games in a season in one of the next five years, at which point he is doomed) if you believe in that kind of thing. I believe in good coaching and I think TB provides that. Tressel? So what? I think a kid who has lived through this whole mess at psu might be looking for something other than Jim Tressel. He has seen enough "legends". Here is how you sell Akron... Assume marginal BCS player coming to Akron. 1. Potential to win a conference championship. 2. Potential to go to a bowl game. 3. Chance to play right away with a fresh start. That's about all we/MAC offer to a kid who has played at PSU.

I can't read it because I'm not an important Insider. Does the article say something like, "nd is a good fit for the acc as they are pitt and syracuse bad and the existing membership doesn't have to worry about them dominating the league like va tech and miami did when they entered." nd joins the acc and they are in the wilderness of college football five years from now. they have some hope if they join the big ten.

No doubt they have an impact. Handled properly, a negative can be turned into a positive. One recruit might stay away. Handled properly, ten more might replace him. Anzalone was pretty squishy about going to tosu in the first place and the whole twitter thing was his reason for getting out of something he was having second thoughts about.

Paterno turning Sandusky into the cops, standing up for a thorough investigation/prosecution and standing up against child abuse would have made him even more popular. It would have reinforced what people believe when they thought of Paterno: Honor, Integrity, etc. People wouldn't have had enough good things to say about him.

My brother just sent me a text saying, "Welcome to the Big Ten Notre Dame." Notre Dame isn't a better program than psu, but they have a big name. Short term it is a good move. I think the statement, Big Hat, No Cattle (or something like that) applies to Notre Dame.

I'd respectfully say there is a third option at work. That option is the creation of a tyrant in the president of the ncaa. The ncaa members today gave dictatorial powers to the president of the ncaa, just like the Galactic Senate gave power to the Sith Emperor in Star Wars. In Star Wars, the Senate gives up power because they lived in FEAR of some uprisings so they created a dictator and it brought everyone suffering because fear leads to suffering and the Dark Side. Everytime something comes up now, the ncaa members are going to want their dictator to deal with it because they are in fear of having to do anything about it. No good is going to come out of what happened today.

Or, the problem could have been dealt with in a proactive manner that wouldn't have had such drastic results. Paterno could have been forced to step down years ago and a modern coach could have taken control of the team. psu would be a lot better off today. It is a leap of logic I'm not willing to take to believe a competitive edge was created by this. One could easily argue Paterno staying around for as long as he did kept psu at a competitive disadvantage.

I don't know about the whole economy of central PA, but there will be people impacted. Who else is impacted? Well, how about the loads of Title IX programs the revenue from the football team was carrying? psu is going to have to make cuts. What about the Big Ten? They basically just lost one of the only three teams people around the US have any interest in. I don't think psu vs. Big Ten Team X is going to be quite the draw it once was. An average-good conference just became average. I wouldn't be surprised if the Big Ten gives the boot to psu within 10 years. This is the whole point about fear leading to suffering. It isn't going to happen tomorrow, but a lot of innocent people will suffer because of this penalty. The ncaa took the path to the Dark Side today.

I know I'm spot on. Fans are the same everywhere. After what I saw last year, I won't go to another Zips game until they are better. My time is too valuable to me. I still love them, but I can't put time/money into something that doesn't make me happy. Teams win, lots of fans go to games. Teams lose, lots of fans stop going. At the end of the day, it is a financial transaction. If fans see the value in going to a game, they will spend their money to go. If they don't, they won't. The fair weather fan is the best type of all because he cares and won't accept watching crap.

It's hard to tell attitude on a fan web board, that's why people shouldn't get emotional about what is said. My comment was based upon the assumption games would still sell out, not child molestation.

My experience in life is the strength of the opinion is usually measured by the amount of money a person is willing to place on the outcome. I'd be willing to bet in excess of $2,500.00 that in three years, psu home games will not be selling out.

Slate One of the things I'm a little shocked about today is how poorly received the ncaa's punishments are in the media. I though those in the mob carrying the pitchforks would be much more happy.

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How much of your personal money would you be willing to bet on this?

Let's do a little exercise. There is going to be a snowball effect here. psu is going to become a DII football team here in the next couple of years and it will continue for at least six years. Fans stop going to games because anyone with half a brain won't go watch crap (within five years, they will be lucky to fill half the stadium). Watching a psu game in the near future will be like watching the Zips last season. Fewer fans and season ticket holders means less money coming into support psu athletics/university. Less donations will be given to support the athleic department/university. In addition to the $12 million a year, many more millions will be lost for the University. How do you think the University is going to just get more money from an already bankrupt state government? How do you bridge the gap? Here is how you do it. In the near future, if he hasn't already started to do so, the president of psu is going to have to start thinking about a reduction in the workforce at psu that will have to take place as a result of the loss of income from football. I don't see any way around it. As employees get layoff notices, the implact will be felt in a small community like State College. Very few places need any type of athletics to boost their economy. State College needs psu football to keep that school going. If psu football built that place, and it did, the lack of football will destroy it.

Deadspin These guys get it right again. This punishment is a big bunch of nothing, just like the clowns in Indianapolis. $60 million for a fund not at psu. Nonsense..If anyone should have that fund sent up at their institution, it should be psu. I said so yesterday in a post I made. Bowl ban...psu was on the brink of becoming terrible in the first place. They didn't have too many bowls in their future. Vacated wins.... Reduction of scholarships? Who suffers? Future players. There are a finite number of potential scholarships each year in the universe of college football. They just made it so a number of players won't be able to go to college. Nice work proving Yoda right ncaa. 5 year probation to work with an ncaa monitor? Who is this monitor going to be and what experience does that person have in monitoring potential child abuse? In fact, monitor what? This is laughable. I said the ncaa should do nothing and they basically did. The they did do will yield little results.

Darn. I was feeling really magnanimous when I was typing that.

I know I've been hard on the guy over the years, but I'd like to give credit where credit is due. This credit is especially deserved when a player reaches his greatest achievement at a university....... Congratulations to Charlie Frye for his first BCS victory.

I think TB is a pretty smart guy, but not this smart.

The slow start can be explained by that. It doesn't explain the end of the season though.

I agree. The fans have been MORE than patient with this program since KD took over. Enough is enough. It's time to add some depth to the success of the program. If not next year, then when? I'm still the same believer in this group of players as I was after the Miss State victory last year. I love what I see. There is a ton of talent and it's up to them to put it all together next year. We need more of the program that beat Miss State and less of the program that pooped their pants in the MAC Championship game and against the seventh place Big Ten finisher in the NIT.