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We don't know what would have happened if this issue came out years ago so they ncaa shouldn't punish based upon what might have happened. Do we really want the the ncaa playing a guessing game...they aren't even good at rulinig on issues when they know facts. I agree they engaged in wrondoing and the criminal system has that under control right now.

I'll answer the question second and respond to the second paragraph first. Anyone who has seen the 30 for 30 about smu knows EVERYONE was involved. It was truely an institution out of control in a very entertaining way. A sitting governor of Texas was involved in the smu matter, the president of the university, the AD, the coaches, the assistant coaches, the trainers, the players, the players parents and grandparents, the boosters were also involved. Not only were they involved, they kept doing it after being caught once and went on probation that involved no TV or bowls for a year. Now that's lack of institutional control. tosu and usc got what the deserved under the outdated rules of the ncaa. OK, so they punish psu by punishing everyone associated with the program. Under your logic, allow the players to leave and punish the coach who just got there and THEN punish future players. Punish the season ticket holders? Punish the guy who owns a hotel that only profits because PSU plays seven home games a year and he can break the bank those days? None of these people have done anything wrong. The logic makes no sense to me so ncaa punishments make no sense to me...most ncaa rules don't make sense to me. I think the people who run it are idiots. So, what would I do? If I had to punish someone or something for doing something, I'd like to think those involved would be there to take part in the punishment. The problem at PSU is there is nobody left to punish who was there when the Sandusky problems happened. At smu, all of the players taking money the first time they went on probation had to play under that probation. When the problems continued, those playing for smu when the death penalty was handed down were still playing at smu at the time so there was a direct line between the punished and the punishers. Again, what would I do?.....Nothing. There is nobody to punish at this point. What would I do if I was psu? First, start fundraising immediately to research the most effective ways to prevent child abuse and support those victims of child abuse. This can be accomplished through the criminal justice department and psychology department to name a couple. Use the fundraising to hire the best researchers in these areas to understand and recommend how to prevent and treat child abuse. Use part of that money to train future law enforcement officers in methods of indentifying and bringing to justice child abusers. Second, research and fund methods of preventing child abuse throughout Pennsylvania through public awareness campaigns. Third, hold annual seminars in State College and branches throughout Pennsylvania, free to the public, to increase public awareness about child abuse and methods of reporting that abuse. Fourth, organize alumni and current students and their organizations to lobby the PA state legislature to better fund law enforcement officers in the area of child abuse enforcement and identification. Fifth, request participation from current and past athlete-students in points 1-4...I'm sure not many would turn this opportunity down....can't use the current players if they aren't playing....that's how you deal with something negative, by introducing the positive and taking postive action. Nothing positive comes out of the ncaa forcing anyone to do anything and only punishing.

Article I touched on fear in a previous post on this thread. The article is about fear. Sandusky's victims were incredibly fearful of him and that's the way he wanted it. Sandusky is truely a monster. Rape is not a sexual act. It is a violent act designed to destroy another human through fear and violence. Tomorrow, the NCAA is going to hand out some penalties for psu that will only lead to suffering for people who had nothing to do with this situation. The ncaa is going to lash out because they are in fear that people will say they aren't doing enough. Because they are making decisions based out of fear, the penalties will only serve to make the job of those at psu who really want to do something meaningful about this situation (unlike a meaningless gesture of taking a statue down) more difficult. Further suffering will be created. The last paragraph of the article reads as follows (throw in "nor the ncaa" as it relates to fear and psu): "But often, the most important defense of civilization takes place only after tragedy has struck, and innocents have perished. And the real heroes are neither police nor politicians nor an imaginary batsuited billionaire, but the people — whether in Columbine or Lower Manhattan or now Aurora, Colo. — who carry one another through the valley of the shadow of death, and by their conduct ensure that the Jokers and James Holmeses of the world win only temporary victories." If anyone thinks the ncaa president is the cowboy on the white horse coming to town to save the day in this situation, you are just plain wrong. If you beleive any positive, meaningful outcome will happen as a result of the ncaa's penalties, you are just plain wrong. The ncaa is a band of fools and everyone with half of a brain knows it. The real heroes will be those with no institutional power to hand down penalties of any type. Their only power will be moral authority. You will never see them and you will never know them, but they will be out there doing good work for victims and potential victims of this crime.

I don't think any of this is really about past competition. It is about fit. Moore has had success in his life as a QB. It didn't come in a pro style offense and didn't come in a heavily pass oriented spread offense. It came in a spread where the QB ran more than TBs offense is designed for him to run. Moore playing in Coach I's offense was trying to put a square peg into a round hold and he didn't fit. The same could be said for TB using him in his offense. He wouldn't be a fit for TBs offense either so he has to move on. If Moore wants to play again, he needs to find a program that runs the type of offense he is suited to play. He is more Julian Edelman than Weeden. He made a terrible decision to come to Akron in the first place. It was never a fit.

In that case, I'll kick around the idea of opening a place on campus that serves lard cones.

They could, but they won't.

PSU will play football next year.

I referred to KD a while back as a "survivor". This is exactly the type of move a survivor would make. The risk at another school is too great. Besides, he likes it at Akron. As a survivor, KD knows he can stay at Akron forever, so he makes the safe play. He wouldn't leave regardless.

Depends on how you look at it. Per year, yes. Over 10 years, no. Duquesne is a death trap. KD would have been swallowed up by it within 4 years at which point he would have made 2.8 million. Good luck finding another D1 coaching job with the stink of Duquesne all over you. Stay at Akron 10 years, enjoy your life and make 4.0 million plus all the other income associated with being a college basketball coach. Additional reason to stay. I think 10 years puts KD at the 20 year mark in the Ohio retirement system. Don't think that doesn't matter. KD is still a pretty young guy and he is in great shape for his age. I expect him to have a long life after basketball. He'll have a great income.

I'm glad they are looking at healthy places like 5 Guys and Chipotle for the students to eat. We need more of that.

If by "quote machine", they mean a really stupid guy saying really stupid things, then he will be one. I look forward to it too.

Is anyone except for me impressed with the way TB handled Moore? After Coach I, I believed, and still believe, every player should be given a shot. Moore deserved at least a shot and TB gave him one. He didn't produce and he is gone. TB didn't string him our for another year and provided him complete honesty as to his future as a Zip, which shows the professionalism of the coach. The real question is....What do you do if you are Moore? He transfered from Miss...He went to a Juco and did well there....He came to Akron and was at the center of the worst point ever in the history of the program. He should be at least two years from graduating. Does he give it up, go back to Mississippi and graduate?...That's what I would do if I was him. Put it all behind and become a regular student then get a job.

Yoda wouldn't put too much thought into him. Williams is the clone brought in to act as a pawn for a short while.

It depends on the plan. I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'm Ok with a player starting as a freshman and taking a bit of a beating as long as it doesn't destroy him. Learning from the bench is nonsense. That which doesn't kill you makes you stronger. The long term plan for a college athlete who is capable of starting his freshman year shouldn't be a gradual improvement process over for years....that's for high school kids and small thinkers. A player capable of starting as a freshman should have a big jump in his ability between his freshman and soph seasons with gradual improvement after those seasons, but not the big jump. The freshman will start after the ooc schedule is complete. It's a lot easier to play against the mac than Tennessee or UCF. He'll still have some bumps along the way, but he'll be better off for it in the long run.

By the beginning of MAC play? That's what they are shooting for. One year wonder? If by "one year wonder", you mean sacrificial lamb for the first few games, I would say yes. In many ways, it is all the kid could hope for. He was a back up at a I-AA school and he would get to start some games, one against an SEC school in front of a huge crowd. I wish him luck. I can think of worse ways to end a career. You never know though....

Article I wonder if Rule #1 was: Don't hide the food under your shirt and try to get away. We now have a nationally known coach who knows what to do and they have stories about going to the store. I like where this is going.

I'm not certain at what point something becomes felony fraud, but I have to believe passing this event off as a competitive college football game might. I'm all for you guys going to a game and having a good time, but I hate it you are having your money stolen from you in the process. I might go to Knoxville, tailgate, look at the Volunteer Navy and go to a bar and watch other game. But then again, I'll probably just stay home and watch it on TV. Have fun and be safe.

The greater the problem, the cooler heads have to be. Personally, I've always been against less ncaa involvement in just about everything. If the answer to a question is, "The ncaa needs to step in an do something", then it was a stupid question.

This Week The best 2:19 discussion on this issue was on This Week yesterday morning. I agree with everything everyone said. Video is at the bottom.

"Jopa and his superiors". I agree. JoPa is dead. Sandusky is in jail. The other two are not far behind Sandusky in going to jail. The culture that caused the mentality that cause something like this to happen was widespread. A culture can't perform a crime, only people. The offenders list is pretty small though. I don't see a reason for the death penalty for a small group of offenders. Those who will be negatively impacted by the death penality will be broad.

In an indirect way, the money for the games is going to go to the victims. PSU is going to be shelling out tens of millions of dollars to victims over the next several years, as well they should. They are going to be shelling out the money in a time when state institutions around the country are short on money. One way or another the victims will be getting part of the gate. BirdZip is correct. PSU should suspend their season next year, but they can't. They can't because over the past decade, they have been involved in the same arms race as every other school. Arena after arena. Stadium after stadium. Those structures have to be kept up and the football team is the organization contributing the most to the "building process". Let's do another exercise. For every action, there is a reaction. Who else could be negatively impacted by PSU not playing next year. I can think of one big organization that would be hugely negatively impacted. Every year, PSU students participate in Thon. It is the largest student run philanthropy in the world and benefits child cancer victims. Think not having seven home games a year for one or two years might impact the fundraising of this organization? Is that what we want when we talk about penalties and the desire for people to impose them? I don't think people hate child molestation as much as they fear it for many, many reasons. Fear comes before hate. I hate to bring up Yoda on a serious subject, but a lot can be learned from Star Wars..."Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. I sense much fear in you." People want the death penalty because they fear it will happen again and a statement needs to be made about it. I have news for everyone. There were child molesters 1,000 years ago. There will be child molesters 1,000 years from now. We can only try to lessen this problem. Do we really want to get to the point where our fear and hate leads to children with cancer suffering? I'd rather the school try to use this opportunity to do something good.

Penalties don't deter. Penalties, by their very nature, are a punishment for wrong doing. They face backward. If PSU is given the death penalty for two years, who is penalized? It seems to me that those directly responsible are either dead or on their way to being on the wrong side of prison bars. Seems to me that is better reason for not allowing this to happen than a football team not playing for a year or two. In the game of prison vs ncaa death penalty, prison wins. Penalize the fans of PSU? Why? For having childish views of college football and placing someone in higher standing than they should be? Every school should get the death penalty at that point. There are lots of ways to deter people without punishing those who have done nothing wrong. Those are the solutions that need to be explored.

This thread is about the issues at PSU. Let's keep it that way.

Article Two starters remain on team with no scholarship for the summer. Sound like a tough penalty to me. BTW, Stoneburners parents are wealthy and could have paid his way through OSU without a scholarship. If he needs money for summer classes, he will have no problem. One back-up kicked off team. Tough decision for Urban. I'm sure #2 linebackers are hard to find. Starters help a team win...they stay on the team. Back-ups can be replaced and get kicked off. If someone is going to try to prove a point while not risking losing, kicking off the back-up is the way to go. When the Zips had off the court problems with their basketball team last year, I said KD should do the exactly same thing. Urban made the right decision here and should get a pat on the back for keeping his priorities straight. Winning comes first. Integrity comes second. This thread is about Paterno. Let's keep it that way.