GP1

I went to the Car Care Bowl yesterday. BTW, it was one of the best college football games I have ever sat through in person.Anyhow, here is an idea for tickets for next year. The ticket I had yesterday was shaped like a helmet and was pretty cool. Certainly it was something I have never seen before. UofA should look into that next year.

I have yet to miss a chance to watch this program blow one MAC Championship game after another. Maybe some of you guys could save us all some time and tell us what we are allowed to be critical about without hurting any of your feelinigs. I really don't want anyone to feel bad around here. Life is too short. Are there ways we should be starting a sentence? Are there problems we should not point out? Are there some ideas some of you have invested so much time into believing that it is really off base at this point? Are we or aren't we allowed to have fun at the expense of some public employees people pay to go watch them work? Are we allowed to point out when a player who stinks, stinks? Are we allowed to make fun of the fact that the endless "building" we are doing is actually not building at all? Are we allowed to expect winning against really bad competition? Are we allowed to point out that with the ooc schedule we play, 20 wins a year should be easy? I'm just looking for some guidance here. Again pumpkins, we don't want any feelings hurt around here and we all need to think exactly the same way. Cults of personality have worked well throughout history; we need one here. Once we get the cult of personality going, we can then read really interesting comments on the board such as.... That 52-50 win against Garbage School A&T was excitiing and I can't wait for the Walsh game next week...... Losing against good teams is really the type of building experience we need.... I love watching defense..... I'm interested to see how history will compare KD to John Wooden...... Nate Linhart is my idea of the perfect athlete...... Man, this ooc home schedule is really money well spent on my season tickets and I can't believe more people aren't willing to spend their hard earned money to watch the same thing...... I don't care that he is so lacking in athletic talent that he can't bring the ball up the floor against a good team, Player X is the best point guard ever..... And the always exciting, "we are building a progam we can all be proud of"....

Be cautious of what you wish for. Waters is the best college coach in NE Ohio and he can recruit better players at CSU because of their laughable academic standards.....and when I say laughable, I mean side splitting laughter or even liquid shooting out of your nose laughter. We may want to duck them while he is there. After all, we are "building" a program here (for how long now? will we beat the completion of the bridge to China?) through beating teams we should easily beat and losing to good teams. I'm not sure how all of that works, but I read on the board we are "building" it. Now that CSU is good, we may not want to break that formula. Keep the cupcakes coming....I guess. For those of you who have season tickets, I'll say it for you...... Let's see some results from all of this "building".....this year.Congratulations. A garbage post from one of ZN.O's top contributors.KD is every bit the coach Waters is. No one in their right mind would swap rosters with CSU right now. It is WATERS who's running scared here. KD would play every year. CSU ended this. Not UA.Building for "how long" now? This is year 5 of KD's tenure. He's won nearly 100 games (WAY ahead of the pace set by Huggins over the same period). He's won 2 postseason games .. that's more than Waters @ CSU. The Zips have been in the title game the last 2 years. Averaging 22 wins / season and improving every year.If you can't see progress here .. you're not watching the Zips .. oh I forgot .. you don't watch them.You can do better than that .. you usually do.Go Zips!There's nothing garbage about the post...GP1 and CK are right on the money on this one. Waters is indeed the premiere DI hoops coach in NE OH. And this is no discrespect to any of the other coaches.What he did at Can't will probably never be matched. And now you are also bringing down Huggins in this thread. Good grief....The next time I walk into the JAR and see a MAC championship banner hanging, then we can talk. Until then, there is no argument.Interesting thoughts by all. I didn't realize a post bashing the low academic standards of CSU was going to take this route, but you never know on a fan board.

Be cautious of what you wish for. Waters is the best college coach in NE Ohio and he can recruit better players at CSU because of their laughable academic standards.....and when I say laughable, I mean side splitting laughter or even liquid shooting out of your nose laughter. We may want to duck them while he is there. After all, we are "building" a program here (for how long now? will we beat the completion of the bridge to China?) through beating teams we should easily beat and losing to good teams. I'm not sure how all of that works, but I read on the board we are "building" it. Now that CSU is good, we may not want to break that formula. Keep the cupcakes coming....I guess. For those of you who have season tickets, I'll say it for you...... Let's see some results from all of this "building".....this year.

Somehow I think Charlie Coles would find a way to keep the score at 43-42 even with a 20 second clock.

Unless of course he gets Turner Gilled by a bunch of good old boy boosters who don't like the way he looks. If a coach can win at a MAC school, they can win anywhere. Saban wins everywhere he goes.....The guy at Missouri wins, Urban M. wins at Florida and won at Utah, Hoepner was about to turn around the program at IU and Kelly is winning huge at UC. It is almost a crime what they did to Turner Gill at Auburn. The only explanations are they are truly ignorant of how hard it is to win in the MAC and they do not understand what he accomplished at UB; or, they are a bunch of racists who did not want to hire a black guy. If someone has another answer, I'd be willing to listen.The new guy at Auburn will last two-three years and they had better hope at that point Gill would still be available.The problem English has is he is from the east and known in the east. Two of the top three conferences (SEC, Big 12 and PAC 10) are in the south/southeast and in a part of the country where he would not be welcomed. He would be unknown in the PAC 10 part of the world where he would be more welcomed but since he is unknown he would not get a job. Even if he has some success, the best he can hope for is a job at a second tier conference like the Big Ten or Big East or ACC or WAC or something like that. The premier confereces will be out of his reach for all the wrong reasons.

Congratulations to all of the student athletes and non-student athletes for graduating.One reason for posting this in the football section is Mike Johnson graduated after 19 years of being away from school. I'm glad to see that.Would those of you who are much better with a computer than I am see where Mike is employed now. I'm not sure it is anywhere. After the coaching change in Baltimore he was out of a job. Maybe getting a degree is a way of opening up opportunities for employment at the college level. I do not think a D-1A school would ever hire a head coach without a degree. Maybe if JD does not get it turned around next year, there might be a Coach Johnson walking around campus the following year....... You never know........

This is probably the biggest "name" to be hired in the MAC since Solich.

Always a bridesmaid and never a bride. This is basically the third AD job Mike has been passed over for (Akron, SE MO and that place in Iowa or wherever). Mike needs to be careful how much more he gets passed over because getting passed over again and again would raise a red flag for me if I was hiring. He really needs to think through his next move. Maybe he should stay with MT for MT's next move. MT will continue to move up to potentially some really big opportunities. After that, Mike W. could make his move.

A country music writer once wrote about Faith Hill, "She ain't country, but she'll do." I feel the same way about the Arena Football League. It ain't football, but in the summer it will do.

THE ONLY TIME RUMPLEMINTZ EVER REPLIES TO ONE OF YOUR JACKASS POSTS IS WHEN THE IGNORANT PIECES OF CRAP THAT YOU ARE NEED TO BE SET FREE WITH THE TRUTH............FLEMING IS NOT THE GUY THAT BROUGHT THE 3-3 IN....IF YOU HAD THE SLIGHTEST CLUE YOU WOULD KNOW THAT FLEMING NEVER RAN THE STACK IN HIS PREVIOUS YEARS AS A DC OR A HEAD COACH.....MY ONLY PRAYER IS THAT THE POOR PEOPLE OF ZIPS NATION LEARN TO SEEK THE TRUTH AND AVOID ASSUMPTIONS, IT WOULD TRULY LEAD TO A BETTER NATION!!!!!! HOW SOON WE FORGET HOW IT WAS THE DEFENSE IN THE PREVIOUS YEARS THAT KEPT THE AKRON ZIPS FOOTBALL TEAM A HALF WAY RESPECTABLE OPPONENT IN THE PAST WHEN THERE WAS NO OFFENSIVE OUTPUT!!!!!!!HAPPY HOLIDAYS ZIPS NATION AND HAVE A RUMPLEMINTZ ON ME!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW!!! We are seeing history here. I think this is the first time a person has ever been called a jackass for posting a link to a newspaper article on a web board.

Great job CB!This story gives me a chance to make fun of myself so I will take it..... Blackburn's last year at Akron I went to the OU game with my brother. He coached in college for a lot of years and even coached at the BCS level. He is really a good guy to watch and talk about football with. The defense Akron played was not really a fit for Blackburn so he really did not standout that much. My brother told me during the game, "That #44 is the best player on Akron's team" and "He is going to be in the NFL some day." I immediately began to laugh and tell him Blackburn doesn't do anything good enough to make the NFL. Believe it or not, I said Frye would make a better NFL player than Blackburn. My brother said something like, "No, that kid has the speed and build for an NFL LB. You watch, he will be on an NFL team next year. He's just playing in a defense that does not fit his ability. He is made for the NFL" That was the only time my brother saw him play in college and figured it out in one hour.

I agree. They are a threat, but not an immediate threat.I worry that Waters will duck UofA for a few years and then when his team gets built at CSU he will put us back on the schedule. It always worries me when the Zips have to play against more talent and a better coach. I don't worry much about the recruits as we play a different style of BB than Waters and each school recruits for that style.I don't worry much about media attention because that is hard to control and quite frankly, the media attention the two schools get isn't much to worry about even if I had to worry about it.

I know that Waters had his troubles at Rutgers, but I think John Wooden would have had trouble at Rutgers. Coach Waters is the IMHO the second best college basketball coach in Ohio behind Miller at Xavier (Miller has much more to work with though). He is a perfect fit for CSU as he does well taking a few at risk kids and turning them into a good team....he probably tried the same thing at Rutgers, but was crushed by the talet of some of the long time Big East powers (the last I checked, the Big East has seven teams in the top twenty-five...amazing). I think CSU has a good future in front of them with him running the show.

You're right in one sense GP1. It says what a chickensh__ idiot Hoke really is. I lived on the West Coast for many of the last 20 years, and yes the weather can be wonderful. Before I move on to Hoke though, for those of you who have never lived in a "one season" place, it can be great, but can also get tedious, boring, oppressive. I missed the seasons terribly while I lived out west, and other than February and March here, don't miss west coast weather at all.Now back to Hoke. There is no trading up in going to SDSU to be the head football coach. Of all of the college programs that came to mind for most football fans in that part of the country, SDSU is never mentioned, nobody cares about the program, it's a doormat, a running joke. Let's talk $$$ too. That 700K salary may not even buy him much of an increase in quality of life. It won't buy him much of an increase in exposure, it won't buy relevance to college football. Unless he's from California and just wanted to get closer to home, taking the "step up" (???) to SDSU is not a step up at all.Lastly, coaching is not a profession wherein the weather should dominate your decision-making. Many of the best coaching jobs in the country are in terrible places for weather. You tell me about a football coach who would run to a SDSU to take over the program because the weather is so beautiful, and I'll tell you about a complete d-bag. GO ZIPS!SeeTeeZipInteresting note. I live in a state where I get 2 months of winter, 2 months of fall, 2 months of spring and 6 months of summer. The sun is out almost every day. Everyone is in a constantly good mood for the most part. Ohio is full of good people who are driven insane by the gloomy weather. When the Vitamin D level drops, so does the good mood.$700K is a ton of money anywhere. The guy is going to have a good living in a great place. I'm sure the weekend trips to the beach are probably going to be much more fun than the trips to the corn maze in Muncie during the county wide 4-H championships.Buying relevance in college football? What could be more irrelevant than coaching in the MAC? Could the media in California really pay less attention to SDSU than local media reports on MAC schools? He needs to leave now while the iron is hot.I don't know about "many of the best coaching jobs" being in cold weather states. It seems to me that the SEC, Big 12 and PAC 10 have the best coaching opportunities and almost off of the good schools in those conferences are in warm states like Florida, Texas, California, Georgia, Alabama, etc.This guy is making the right move. San Diego presents an opportunity that the Muncie does not. Kids want to play in warm weather. California is crawling full of good QBs that will fit well into his system. He really found a diamond in the rough with Davis. The midwest really does not product the type of throwing QBs that you see out west. With around 1 in 10 Americans living in California, he stands a better chance of finding another Davis than he does in Muncie."The sun is out almost every day. Everyone is in a constantly good mood for the most part. Ohio is full of good people who are driven insane by the gloomy weather. When the Vitamin D level drops, so does the good mood."Uh, yeah, sure. OK. Not that your assertion is anything more than an extremely GROSS generalization, like much of the rest of your post."Kids want to play in warm weather. California is crawling full of good QBs that will fit well into his system. He really found a diamond in the rough with Davis. The midwest really does not product the type of throwing QBs that you see out west."Wow. So I guess that all of those kids, and professionals, playing anywhere other than the Southwest and the South are deficient, as are those of us who love living in these parts of the country. Another GROSS generalization not backed up by ANY facts presented by you.Sorry fellas, but unless you've lived in California for any length of time (I have, in Northern Cali AND Southern Cali for many years) you just can't appreciate what a joke SDSU is to people out there. It's considered to be nothing more than a not-very-good party school. It's a classic "Surfer U" where parents dread that their kids will go there and become 50-year-old pot-smoking, pot-bellied surfer bums. Their football program is a door mat, and will continue to be. Hoke may get a little more sunshine in his eyes, but he sure as hell hasn't made the type of Urban Myer move many otherwise expected. And lastly, I get a little touchy about the loser mentality that we so often see and hear here. I made the very conscious decision a few years ago to move back here, from the West Coast by way of WDC. This area is hard hit economically. However, this region takes a back seat to nowhere else, in any substantive way. The not-so-subtle suggestion that a guy like Hoke has done well to essentially escape this part of the country, regardless of the details of the actual program he's headed for, simply does not ring true to anybody of any substance, and certainly not to people who love it here.GO ZIPS!SeeTeeZipDid you come back to live in a mental institution? Get some sun and you won't be so angry.

You're right in one sense GP1. It says what a chickensh__ idiot Hoke really is. I lived on the West Coast for many of the last 20 years, and yes the weather can be wonderful. Before I move on to Hoke though, for those of you who have never lived in a "one season" place, it can be great, but can also get tedious, boring, oppressive. I missed the seasons terribly while I lived out west, and other than February and March here, don't miss west coast weather at all.Now back to Hoke. There is no trading up in going to SDSU to be the head football coach. Of all of the college programs that came to mind for most football fans in that part of the country, SDSU is never mentioned, nobody cares about the program, it's a doormat, a running joke. Let's talk $$$ too. That 700K salary may not even buy him much of an increase in quality of life. It won't buy him much of an increase in exposure, it won't buy relevance to college football. Unless he's from California and just wanted to get closer to home, taking the "step up" (???) to SDSU is not a step up at all.Lastly, coaching is not a profession wherein the weather should dominate your decision-making. Many of the best coaching jobs in the country are in terrible places for weather. You tell me about a football coach who would run to a SDSU to take over the program because the weather is so beautiful, and I'll tell you about a complete d-bag. GO ZIPS!SeeTeeZipInteresting note. I live in a state where I get 2 months of winter, 2 months of fall, 2 months of spring and 6 months of summer. The sun is out almost every day. Everyone is in a constantly good mood for the most part. Ohio is full of good people who are driven insane by the gloomy weather. When the Vitamin D level drops, so does the good mood.$700K is a ton of money anywhere. The guy is going to have a good living in a great place. I'm sure the weekend trips to the beach are probably going to be much more fun than the trips to the corn maze in Muncie during the county wide 4-H championships.Buying relevance in college football? What could be more irrelevant than coaching in the MAC? Could the media in California really pay less attention to SDSU than local media reports on MAC schools? He needs to leave now while the iron is hot.I don't know about "many of the best coaching jobs" being in cold weather states. It seems to me that the SEC, Big 12 and PAC 10 have the best coaching opportunities and almost off of the good schools in those conferences are in warm states like Florida, Texas, California, Georgia, Alabama, etc.This guy is making the right move. San Diego presents an opportunity that the Muncie does not. Kids want to play in warm weather. California is crawling full of good QBs that will fit well into his system. He really found a diamond in the rough with Davis. The midwest really does not product the type of throwing QBs that you see out west. With around 1 in 10 Americans living in California, he stands a better chance of finding another Davis than he does in Muncie.

I've been to Muncie. I have been to San Diego. You all should feel confident this move has nothing to do with the MAC.

Excellent post CK. Especially this last part. I was winding up to something similar myself. Thanks for saving me the time. I'm sure there are others that feel the same way.

78 points.....That's what I'm talking about! Much better Zips.

The best thing for BSU is going to a BCS game. That will not happen. The second best thing is the Motor City Bowl. They should go to that.

I think DH is about to make himself a lot of money. Maybe some of that money Matt Cassel lost with the Patriots last week will come DH's way.

Especially if it agrees with what the great GP1 says.

I think everyone realized the guys need to get here first. We certainly need to not recruit those who can not even get in the door. We do need to go after those guys who can barely get in the door though if we want to win. The question is always about how bad a school wants to win. Schools like Ohio State get at risk kids all the time and keep them in school and a lot of them graduate. Our problem is we get an at risk kid in school at Akron and he flunks out after a couple of semesters because there is no support. Akron needs to develop a program to keep more at risk kids in school. The more talent we can draw and keep will only make us better.

Great point. Just think of how good we could be if we had the academic support system to keep some of the at risk kids JD brought here.

And that's not saying much. Both of those guys are CFL qbs. Not to defend Jacq, but to move this conversation in another direction, what is the difference between Jacq and most of the third string QBs in the NFL? As bad a Jacq is at times, he is one stupid team away from holding a clipboard on Sundays. Most of the third string QB can only complete five yard outs to tight ends. Please don't take this as a knock on Frye, but that's all he did for two years in Cleveland.Isn't the rea question about Jacq, Is he a misunderstood, misused, poorly coached genius of a QB or is he Ebby LaLoosh in a football uniform?